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Foreign fighter jet makers see a multi-billion dollar opportunity in India's decision to scale back purchases of high-end aircraft from France, which may free up cash in the world's largest arms importer to buy a new fleet of mid-range planes.

Prime Minister Narendra Modi announced last week that India would buy 36 French Rafale jets for an estimated $4.3 billion, in effect ending talks on a larger deal for 126 planes that would have sucked up some $20 billion and locked rivals out of the market for a generation.


Sweden's Saab and US Lockheed Martin are set to re-pitch their Gripen and F-16 planes, eliminated in the Rafale tender, as the kind of lighter, single-engine aircraft that Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar said on Monday the air force needed to rebuild its fleet.

"We are here and we are ready," said a source close to Saab. Saab was proposing to establish "fully-fledged production" of the Gripen in India alongside a local partner.


Lockheed Martin may also tout its F-16, one of the most widely used fighter planes in the world, as a replacement for Russian-made MiGs that are a mainstay in India's fleet, industry
sources said. Lockheed Martin declined to comment.

"The light combat aircraft opportunity is going to be there in the near future because the MiGs have to be replaced really fast," said Delhi-based defence commentator and analyst Neelam Mathews.

Russia, traditionally India's largest arms supplier, is hopeful it can sell more of its Sukhoi Su-30s, a plane partly assembled in India, to tide over the air force while it waits two years to receive the first Rafales.

Foreign manufacturers have also welcomed India's decision to negotiate directly with the French government for further Rafales.

"What is positive about the announced Rafale deal is that purchase is supposed to be based on a government-to-government agreement. We have been asking the Indian side for a long time to get back to this practice instead of tenders," said one Russian diplomat.

Moscow wants to speed up the conclusion of talks with India for the joint manufacture of a new generation stealth fighter jet, the diplomat said.

TWO-FRONT CHALLENGE

India needs to replenish an air force fleet that has fallen to 34 operational squadrons, down from 39 earlier this decade and below the government-approved strength of 42 considered necessary to face a two-front challenge from Pakistan and China.

Parrikar said on Monday that India needed 100 new light combat aircraft within five years to replace the MiG-21s, and that the heavier and pricier Rafale was not the plane to do it.

His preference would be for the indigenously-made Tejas to fill the void. But Parrikar himself has admitted the jet, in development for three decades, has limitations while the latest
version still awaits final clearance.

Either way, air force officials and industry sources say India is unlikely to buy anything like the 126 planes agreed in the original deal with France after all-in costs doubled to an estimated $20 billion.

Parrikar said he had not decided how many more Rafales he might buy. Manufacturer Dassault Aviation could also pitch its single-engine Mirage if India opts for something cheaper.

Foreign planemakers may need to join forces with an Indian state-run or private partner to win orders, especially if Modi is to realise his goal of developing a military industrial base.

Under the original deal with Dassault, 108 of the jets were to be produced at a state-run Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) plant. But the two sides could not agree terms.

Such disagreements could open up opportunities for nascent private players to partner foreign manufacturers and build locally, experts said.

"This could be Rafale, or any other aircraft as long as the government is able to address the core issues of tech transfer, joint production and design collaboration," said M. Matheswaran, a former Air Marshal and adviser to Hindustan Aeronautics.


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The LCA is as good or even better than the Gripen according to some of the esteemed Indian members here. So I don't see why Gripen would be entertained.
 
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India operates to many different aircraft :o:
this is just the future ones
Rafale
Gripen/Falcon (maybe)
Tejas
AMCA
FGFA

how does one handle that.
 
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India operates to many different versions of aircraft :o:

Rafale
Gripen/Falcon (maybe)
Tejas
AMCA
FGFA

how does once handle that.

Henceforth India will operate only Tejas that is LCA. And in case you didn't know Tejas is the best aircraft in IAF. It is even better than Gripen.
 
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We ll have to look into light helicopter tender, it ll shed some light ..

Personally I feel we got no money to for another aircraft ...

So we can chill out and read all contradictory offers and demands ..
 
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Gripen makes sense since it shares the same engine with Tejas
 
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You missed my point. You can join SAAB to develop Tejas as a mini gripen and use them together. Similar parts, engines will make it cheaper to operate.

Too much ego-hassled, won't happen.

For many Indians Tejas is the "coming of age" for Indian aviation. To see their idol have to take foreign support to keep flying would be a major blow. That's why Gripen was rejected from MMRCA - it was tooo similar to the LCA and questions would be raised why two aircrafts of the same mission-type were in operation.

The sun may rise from the west but the Gripen will not be inducted.
 
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India operates to many different aircraft :o:
this is just the future ones
Rafale
Gripen/Falcon (maybe)
Tejas
AMCA
FGFA

how does one handle that.
We already operate
Mig 21
Tejas
27
29
Mirage
Jags
Sukois .

So its not a big deal we are used to it . Two new jets will replacement for 2 jets
 
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@Ind4Ever;

India already operate
  • Mig 21
  • Tejas
  • Tejas MK2
  • Mig 27
  • Miog 29
  • Mirage 2000
  • Jags
  • Sukois
  • Rafale
  • AMCA
  • FGFA
  • ...
This list puts lots of stress on the war-game strategists.
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Gripen makes sense since it shares the same engine with Tejas
True that almost similar plane is a great advantage and Saab JV may entitle us a faster evolutionary pattern for LCA
BUT
Do you seriously believe a JV of Saab Gripen will really allow LCA program to evolve.
Consider a possibility that Saab does help us and evolve LCA to almsot like Mini gripen, so when it comes to IAF which bird it should select? The proposition of Light fighter single engine category is almost like12-15 squadrons. So the reality is Saab would only eat up LCA share rather than evolve LCA program.

In all honesty, the LCA at present form of production rate is the ultimate issue bccz of which MOD is exploring Saab possibility. If we could have produced 16-20 birds a year (at present 8 or even less as they miss timelines a lot) then this optional thought would not have arose only.

Its a messy affair here. i dont blame government for this if they say we want 200 light fighters and when they look at HAL, they see they are still trying to raise 1st squadron in a snail's pace. Just few days back and whats not much published widely is HAL missed another internal timeline for FOC purpose which has irked and irritated MOD and DM in particular.
I would not fault them if our DPSU is not able to meet GOI/MOD expectation. This will always lead to exploring other options..
 
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Henceforth India will operate only Tejas that is LCA. And in case you didn't know Tejas is the best aircraft in IAF. It is even better than Gripen.


I doubt it. Saab can do wonders for us. We should work together. Offer them 49% stake.
 
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I doubt it. Saab can do wonders for us. We should work together. Offer them 49% stake.

Doubt what? If you are wondering whether Tejas is better than Gripen then forget it, I was being sarcastic. Here I get negative ratings from Indian bigots who can't handle bitter truth. So I feed their fantasies.
 
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