SAA Konkurs M better than Israeli Spike LR and American TOW 2A?

[ultron]

Konkurs M entered service in 1991, has thermal sight, range 4000 meters, tandem HEAT

https://twitter.com/x/status/747160050830032896

http://www.tulatoz.ru/en/production/detail.php?ID=55

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9M113_Konkurs

 

[ultron]

@500 @C130 @Dr.Thrax @Falcon29

 

[C130]

1.Spike LR
2.Konkurs-M
3.TOW2A

1.Spike LR
2..TOW2B
3.Konkurs-M

 

[Aero]

Konkurs M entered service in 1991, has thermal sight, range 4000 meters, tandem HEAT

https://twitter.com/x/status/747160050830032896

http://www.tulatoz.ru/en/production/detail.php?ID=55

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9M113_Konkurs

Spike is better from this group. Tow will be last as it is quite old compared to others & doesn't fare well against new armour. Konkurs will be near to TOW in comparison than spike.

 

[500]

TOW-2A and Konkurs-M are both 2nd generation SACLOS missiles. Their penetration is about same but TOW has bigger warhead (152-mm vs 135-mm) what is better against infantry. TOW is bulkier though.

Spike-LR is 3rd gen missile with fire and forget and fire and update modes. It can hit bulls eye at max distance and can also attack concealed targets:

 

[Baloch Pakistani]

It can hit bulls eye at max distance and can also attack concealed targets:

concealed targets like tunnels? or something else?

 

[ultron]

TOW-2A and Konkurs-M are both 2nd generation SACLOS missiles. Their penetration is about same but TOW has bigger warhead (152-mm vs 135-mm) what is better against infantry. TOW is bulkier though.

Spike-LR is 3rd gen missile with fire and forget and fire and update modes. It can hit bulls eye at max distance and can also attack concealed targets:

How exactly does fire and forget work? There is no artificial intelligence at the moment. Is it remote controlled?

 

[Natan]

concealed targets like tunnels? or something else?

Like tanks or bunkers over the hill, without direct line of sight.

How exactly does fire and forget work? There is no artificial intelligence at the moment.

Like face detection in my old Fuji camera, but smarter. No need for AI for this task.

Is it remote controlled?

Is it remote controlled only if like to see whatever the seeker sees and steer it somewhere.

 

[500]

concealed targets like tunnels? or something else?

It shows in video I posted. Targets concealed by hill, trees or buildings.


Here u cant see the target:

Missile flies above trees and target is exposed:

Bulls eye:

Neither Konkurs nor TOW could hit such target ever.

 

[Baloch Pakistani]

It shows in video I posted. Targets concealed by hill, trees or buildings.


Here u cant see the target:
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Missile flies above trees and target is exposed:
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Bulls eye:
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Neither Konkurs nor TOW could hit such target ever.

TOW and Konkurs are no match for Spike then. Great work by israeli scientists.

 

[ultron]

It shows in video I posted. Targets concealed by hill, trees or buildings.


Here u cant see the target:
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Missile flies above trees and target is exposed:
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Bulls eye:
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Neither Konkurs nor TOW could hit such target ever.

This sort of defeats the purpose of drone. If target is behind building, a drone is needed to find the target. So why not use drone to blast target in the first place?

 

[Natan]

This sort of defeats the purpose of drone. If target is behind building, a drone is needed to find the target. So why not use drone to blast target in the first place?

Drones are more expensive. Armed drone for every company? Way too expensive.

 

[ultron]

Drones are more expensive. Armed drone for every company? Way too expensive.

Without drone, why waste a missile looking for a target behind a building? It might sound fancy, but tactically I don't think it's sound.

 

[Natan]

Without drone, why waste a missile looking for a target behind a building? It might sound fancy, but tactically I don't think it's sound.

The missile is being fired when it is known that there is a target somewhere behind a building, but there is no clear line of sight for direct fire. The missile rises up and the target is seen from above, so the operator marks the target and the missile goes down for the prey.

Mind you some infantrymen requesting immediate fire support from AT squad:
- There is an enemy vehicle firing on us right now!! It stands near the building!
-- What building?
- The fucking big red building!
-- Eh, sorry, we are on the other side of that building, we can't see it. But wait there, we will request an armed drone from the airforce, it will be here in 20 minutes.

 

[AmirPatriot]

The missile is being fired when it is known that there is a target somewhere behind a building, but there is no clear line of sight for direct fire. The missile rises up and the target is seen from above, so the operator marks the target and the missile goes down for the prey.

Mind you some infantrymen requesting immediate fire support from AT squad:
- There is an enemy vehicle firing on us right now!! It stands near the building!
-- What building?
- The fucking big red building!
-- Eh, sorry, we are on the other side of that building, we can't see it. But wait there, we will request an armed drone from the airforce, it will be here in 20 minutes.

Armed drones with long loiter times, like the 24 hour endurance on the Shahed-129, would be expected to be flying over the battlefield constantly.