Russian Su-57 or US F-35 – Which one will India buy ?

[Daghalodi]

F16 f18 f35 su 57 su 35 mig29s gripen rafales etc etc iaf wants them all but they are only getting tejas!!!

 

[DavidSling]

Officially nope

If NGTDs turned out good & on time then India will buy Su-57 or else F-35 after 2025.

Logistic wise, you'll get your F-35 around 2035 if you order them now

 

[randomradio]

And that's the right choice IMO if India was to go that route. I honestly could never figure out why they needed a back-seater on a system aircraft that basically allows one pilot to EASILY absorb the workload and operate the aircraft on his own in a very successfull manner. What was the whole attraction with turning a Ferrari into a bus? Could never figure that out and the only thing that made sense was that the IAF enjoyed the success of the MKI and all that it brought with it that it wanted to use the PAF-FA in the same configuration. For it not the look around at all the super successful stealth aircraft that have been built to that point, primarily the F-22 and the F-35 was on paper/design at that time (and the J-20 appeared out of nowhere too many years ago) and realize that this is the trend and it would be much more feasible and economical to go the single-pilot PAK-FA route and drop that FGFA concept entirely many years ago. Perhaps had India done that and jumped hard into the development of the PAK-FA, the bird would be flying over India as I type this post.

A simple readjustment in a concept that really wasn't very promising to begin with would have taken care of this whole debacle IMO.

A back seat allows the aircraft to become far more capable at battlespace management. Out of 200+ aircraft, only some 50 were planned to be two seaters.

So there was single seat FGFA and two seat FGFA. The current negotiations were for a single seat version.

That's highly unlikely to occur for several obvious reasons.

We have plans to create a marine force. They can use the F-35Bs on the new LHDs.

Logistic wise, you'll get your F-35 around 2035 if you order them now

The F-35 program is quite unstable in the exports arena. We won't have to wait that long.

 

[EndangeredSpecies]

F16 f18 f35 su 57 su 35 mig29s gripen rafales etc etc iaf wants them all but they are only getting tejas!!!

None! India currently does not have enough money to even feed a flock of pigeons for Air Force. Populist policies in India has 'ed the budget.

 

[My-Analogous]

The US-Russia Rivalry, the SU-57 vs F-35 Fighter Jet Competition is just heating up. Russia’s elite SU-57 stealth fighter jet is aggressively competing with the American F-35. As EurAsian Times reported, Turkey was also evaluating the SU-57 Fighter Jets, before finally getting the much-anticipated American F-35, only the second country after Israel.

In this US-Russia rivalry, the US seems to be edging past Russia. While the Su-57 fighter jets program is still trapped in the theoretical stages, the F-35 fighter jets have already proved the dominance of the United States Air Force.

Russia seems to be struggling to fund the Su-57 fighter jets program and only ordered just 12 fighter jets for themselves. Now Russia is in a dire need of a key investor who can inject money in SU-57 stealth fighter jets program. Whom would Russia reach out to, before the F-35 fighter jets take complete control of global markets?

Will India Buy SU-57 or F-35?

In the initial stages, India was an integral part of the Russian SU-57 program. India extended its cooperation and sponsored the development of SU-57 fighter jets (PAK-FA). India’s plan was to buy these advanced stealth fighter jets which would rival F-22 and F-35.

As reported by EurAsian Times, the IAF has on several accounts reported dissatisfaction and dismay regarding the quality of the Russian aircraft. A senior officer of the Indian Air Force was concerned about the abilities of SU-57 and believes that the jet will fall short in areas of stealth and cross-section capacities. Other concerns raised by the IAF included the cost of servicing and maintenance of the fleet.

As per interview given to EurAsian Times by an Indian defence expert, India, in the present scenario, is more inclined towards buying an American or European fighter jet. If Russia doesn’t find an investor soon for the Su-57 program, it could well be shot down by the American F-35.

Russia’s Marketing Ploy in Syria ::

Russia has sent a pair of Su-57 fighter jets to Syria as a part of an apparent bomb dropping practice. Many experts are of the belief that sending underdeveloped fighter jets to Syria was only a marketing ploy by Russia. Apparently, this marketing ploy was played to attract more buyers and counter the F-35 global demand. Despite this, the US has managed to attract more buyers for the F-35, who had initially thought of going for the SU-57 fighter jets.

Experts also believe that the purchase of the F-35 fighter jets by potential importers like India will put Russia’s SU-57 program in shambles. So, the US is clearly threatening Russia’s Su-57 fighter jets and the US-Russia rivalry is getting even more intriguing. The Su-57 fighter jets program is headed for some real trouble for sure unless it finds a major investor.

https://defenceupdate.in/russian-su-57-or-us-f-35-which-one-will-india-buy/

Sorry to say but now India don't have any choice left and For India US policy is "Do as says" and now US have Yes sir in India

 

[EndangeredSpecies]

Logistic wise, you'll get your F-35 around 2035 if you order them now

India will have a hard time getting any credible 5th gen craft. F-35, get in line! Su-57 will take 20 more years to be perfected. Rest no one has anything in pipeline for exports.

Plus, no money at all.

 

[randomradio]

They SHOULD buy both, small numbers of both. At least 2 squadrons of each.

Such small numbers doesn't make sense to us.

 

[Armchair]

Such small numbers doesn't make sense to us.

That is why I said "at least".

 

[EndangeredSpecies]

Sorry to say but now India don't have any choice left and For India US policy is "Do as says" and now US have Yes sir in India

Didn't quite work out that way for S-400 deal, eh?
Thing with India is, they are everyone's friend but no one's true friend.

 

[randomradio]

That is why I said "at least".

The reason why such a small number doesn't work out is because of our large geography. We need multiple bases to make the system work properly.

The small number of M-2000 and Mig-29 were mistakes. The M-2000 was supposed to have a 110 follow-on production program and the Mig-29 also was supposed to cross 100, if the Union had survived and we didn't have a BoP crisis. By the time we had money again, we chose the MKI over the now irrelevant M-2000 production contract and started a new tender for the M-2000.

If we are to buy PAK FA and F-35 for the IAF, it's going to be in significant numbers, lower triple digits at the least.

But there is the possibility of 3 squadrons of F-35Bs for LHDs after 2030 or so. Pretty high possibility there since it has no competitors.

 

[Armchair]

The reason why such a small number doesn't work out is because of our large geography. We need multiple bases to make the system work properly.

The small number of M-2000 and Mig-29 were mistakes. The M-2000 was supposed to have a 110 follow-on production program and the Mig-29 also was supposed to cross 100, if the Union had survived and we didn't have a BoP crisis. By the time we had money again, we chose the MKI over the now irrelevant M-2000 production contract and started a new tender for the M-2000.

If we are to buy PAK FA and F-35 for the IAF, it's going to be in significant numbers, lower triple digits at the least.

But there is the possibility of 3 squadrons of F-35Bs for LHDs after 2030 or so. Pretty high possibility there since it has no competitors.

Hi - its time to wake-up from your fantasies and smell the coffee of reality. But maybe that is not possible given where you come from.

 

[randomradio]

Hi - its time to wake-up from your fantasies and smell the coffee of reality. But maybe that is not possible given where you come from.

You are the one who said we should buy both PAK FA and F-35, not me. All I said is we will have to buy significant numbers, regardless of the type, to make it feasible. Instead of 2 squadrons each of PAK FA and F-35, we would much rather buy the 5 squadrons of PAK FA that we want.

So who's the one fantasising again?

 

[My-Analogous]

Didn't quite work out that way for S-400 deal, eh?
Thing with India is, they are everyone's friend but no one's true friend.

You lost your only and best friend and that is Russia. Now India is alone with lots of hungry wolfs

You are the one who said we should buy both PAK FA and F-35, not me. All I said is we will have to buy significant numbers, regardless of the type, to make it feasible. Instead of 2 squadrons each of PAK FA and F-35, we would much rather buy the 5 squadrons of PAK FA that we want.

So who's the one fantasising again?

Now India don't have choice and only US weapon India have to purchase

 

[EndangeredSpecies]

You lost your only and best friend and that is Russia. Now India is alone with lots of hungry wolfs

'Friend'? eh?
There are no friends in international politics.

I guess Pakistani didn't learn their lesson after their brief 'friendship' with USA!

 

[randomradio]

Now India don't have choice and only US weapon India have to purchase

Okay, sir.