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Russian Politician Wants Liaoning Aircraft Carrier Back That China Purchased From Ukraine

Shandong never had any deck damage and had been in constant patrols -- unlike the Indian carrier arm who hadn't patrolled in two years and who new carrier Vikrant is short of runway and without blast shields.


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This is a good example of how copying someone's homework doesn't mean you understand the material. The US carriers that use EM catapults are nuclear powered, meaning there is almost an unlimited amount of electrical power available and makes sense. Nuclear-powered Ford and Nimitz-class ships have much more free storage capacity so they can store more jet fuel, weapons, and so on. While the Chinese carrier is fossil fueled so it normally would have an excess amount of steam and therefore should use steam catapults instead. The EM cats require vast amounts of electricity, meaning you'll be stressing the boilers to drive generators for electricity (losing efficiency) to use the cats. This will limit the sortie rates and cause more frequent fuel replenishment (thus limiting range or station time). This carrier is far from being operational anytime soon. The Chinese do have experience with carrier operations they have been for the past 10 years. But going from a ramp style to a catapult launch system is a very large step and one they are not familiar with.
US navy has been using catapult launch for decades and are the best in the world in carrier operations. Not just in ship board operations but also in aviation operations. China's propulsion technology is still several generations behind
The Fujian, launched on June 17, has a conventional propulsion system not suited to prolonged operation in the high seas, because of the regular refuelling and maintenance involved
China’s naval nuclear reactor technology is not advanced enough to support an aircraft carrier, according to observers


Indian navy pilots can actually land fighters on the deck of aircraft carrier. As opposed to PLAN that has needed Russian pilots to do deck landings on its flat-tops. Some humility is indeed in order....


So I stumble over PDF by accident and this garbage is the first thing I have to read. 6 pages of a clown talking out of his *** and parotting canned ridicolous propaganda "facts" made up by insecure Indian and American like those essays about "serious damage" over a wet deck after cleaning.

Not one person explicitely calling out how ridicolous the entire premise of his ignorant rant about China is.
This troll has no clue how nuclear power generators work and thinks nuclear reactors are just something you pull infinite electic power from.
Theres no "unlimited amount of electrical power available". You can only heat up so much water and produce so much steam and convert it to energy at a time with a nuclear power plant. Carriers dont have unlimited space for unlimited amounts of nuclear fuel, unlimited boilers and unlimited steam engines.
Theres no "excess amount of steam". Both nuclear and conventional heat sources need to create the same levels of steam to run their steam engines. Thats lust basic laws of energy conversion.
This troll doesnt even seem to know that nuclear carriers still use steam engines to generate the actual energy.


Not one person explicitely calling out how ridicolous the entire logic of his ignorant rant about China is.
His oversimplified claim that nuclear equals "much more free storage capacity" and his conclusion "therefore" Chinese are ignorant for failing to "use steam catapults" makes no fucking sense.
Steam catapults themself are taking up more space and add more weight than electric cats, so how does installing steam equate "more free storage capacity".
Steam catapult systems are also known for their higher maintenance, higher complexity of ship layout since high pressure steam has to be diverted and piped to the launch system and stored somewhere nearby, as opposed to a bunch of cables and converters.
Steam catapult systems cant throttle launch speed on the fly compared to electric catsand are therefore much riskierand less versatile to use.
Steam catapult systems cause physical shocks that impact the entire integrity of a ship over prolonged time.
Why should Chinese "therefore should use steam catapults" and how does all of this equate to "limiting range", "more frequent fuel replenishment" , how does it "limite the sortie rates"?
Physics dont work by counting stupid rethorical arguments. You need to do the math and add up the numbers to make claims about theoretical sortie rates, fuel consumption and operation times. And you need to add up the right numbers. Rambling about nuclear carriers to fellate your American masters has nothing to do with the argument comparing a conventional powered ship with electric cats and a conventional powered ship with steam cats .


Not one person explicitely calling out how ridicolous the entire logic of his ignorant rant about China is.
Even if you account in research and development time America has only 12 years experience launching actual aircraft from its first generation electric launch system. 5 years if you count only active deployment on the Nimitz. How the **** is Chinas electric launch system "several generations behind" a first generation Amerian electric launch system thats never been replaced yet. What generations is this Indian troll talking about. If anything Chinas is introducing a new generation since its using AV current over DC.
And secondly how even are conventional propulsion systems suddenly not suited for prolonged operation at high seas [when China is doing it], when prolonged operations at high seas with the same and much less efficient fosil fuel propulsion system have been an ongoing thing since WW2 and the cold war and nearly all ships in the world including the supply and nearly all escort ships for U.S. carriers, are using conventional systems? Of course all while masturbating about Japans and Indians supposedly blue navy who are not one inch better. Because some retarded American propaganda mouthpieces started to flipflop on their own rethoric again the second they made just one step to switch away from an older system? Much like how suddenly dropping rocket bosters is a crime against humanity [when China is doing it], despite Americans and their European pawns and Indian serfs doing it themself for the last half a century and still doing the exact same thing today.


"copying someone's homework doesn't mean you understand the material"
Now thats peak irony considering this Indian clown has no clue what hes talking about and just copied some rehtoric he read on some retarded American and Indian pisspapers talking dumb shit about China.

Garbage like this and the obvious shills just spaming fakenews, propaganda, polemic troll posts void of any substance and spouting just endless brainless and intelligence insulting nonsense out of their ignorant asses, all without impunity, is why so many stopped bothering with PDF.
 
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So I stumble over PDF by accident and this garbage is the first thing I have to read. 6 pages of a clown talking out of his *** and parotting canned ridicolous propaganda "facts" made up by insecure Indian and American like those essays about "serious damage" over a wet deck after cleaning.

Not one person explicitely calling out how ridicolous the entire premise of his ignorant rant about China is.
This troll has no clue how nuclear power generators work and thinks nuclear reactors are just something you pull infinite electic power from.
Theres no "unlimited amount of electrical power available". You can only heat up so much water and produce so much steam and convert it to energy at a time with a nuclear power plant. Carriers dont have unlimited space for unlimited amounts of nuclear fuel, unlimited boilers and unlimited steam engines.
Theres no "excess amount of steam". Both nuclear and conventional heat sources need to create the same levels of steam to run their steam engines. Thats lust basic laws of energy conversion.
This troll doesnt even seem to know that nuclear carriers still use steam engines to generate the actual energy.


Not one person explicitely calling out how ridicolous the entire logic of his ignorant rant about China is.
His oversimplified claim that nuclear equals "much more free storage capacity" and his conclusion "therefore" Chinese are ignorant for failing to "use steam catapults" makes no fucking sense.
Steam catapults themself are taking up more space and add more weight than electric cats, so how does installing steam equate "more free storage capacity".
Steam catapult systems are also known for their higher maintenance, higher complexity of ship layout since high pressure steam has to be diverted and piped to the launch system and stored somewhere nearby, as opposed to a bunch of cables and converters.
Steam catapult systems cant throttle launch speed on the fly compared to electric catsand are therefore much riskierand less versatile to use.
Steam catapult systems cause physical shocks that impact the entire integrity of a ship over prolonged time.
Why should Chinese "therefore should use steam catapults" and how does all of this equate to "limiting range", "more frequent fuel replenishment" , how does it "limite the sortie rates"?
Physics dont work by counting stupid rethorical arguments. You need to do the math and add up the numbers to make claims about theoretical sortie rates, fuel consumption and operation times. And you need to add up the right numbers. Rambling about nuclear carriers to fellate your American masters has nothing to do with the argument comparing a conventional powered ship with electric cats and a conventional powered ship with steam cats .


Not one person explicitely calling out how ridicolous the entire logic of his ignorant rant about China is.
Even if you account in research and development time America has only 12 years experience launching actual aircraft from its first generation electric launch system. 5 years if you count only active deployment on the Nimitz. How the **** is Chinas electric launch system "several generations behind" a first generation Amerian electric launch system thats never been replaced yet. What generations is this Indian troll talking about. If anything Chinas is introducing a new generation since its using AV current over DC.
And secondly how even are conventional propulsion systems suddenly not suited for prolonged operation at high seas [when China is doing it], when prolonged operations at high seas with the same and much less efficient fosil fuel propulsion system have been an ongoing thing since WW2 and the cold war and nearly all ships in the world including the supply and nearly all escort ships for U.S. carriers, are using conventional systems? Of course all while masturbating about Japans and Indians supposedly blue navy who are not one inch better. Because some retarded American propaganda mouthpieces started to flipflop on their own rethoric again the second they made just one step to switch away from an older system? Much like how suddenly dropping rocket bosters is a crime against humanity [when China is doing it], despite Americans and their European pawns and Indian serfs doing it themself for the last half a century and still doing the exact same thing today.


"copying someone's homework doesn't mean you understand the material"
Now thats peak irony considering this Indian clown has no clue what hes talking about and just copied some rehtoric he read on some retarded American and Indian pisspapers talking dumb shit about China.

Garbage like this and the obvious shills just spaming fakenews, propaganda, polemic troll posts void of any substance and spouting just endless brainless and intelligence insulting nonsense out of their ignorant asses, all without impunity, is why so many stopped bothering with PDF.
You could have avoided typing all that. Indians are notoriously stupid here.
 
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China gained experience what these were bought for now sell them at double cost getting rid of ski jump AC and develop new catapult AC saving money
 
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Noticebly more space and a longer runway available on INS Vikrant. The island is pushed back right at the edge. Aircraft elevators on the either side in Vikrant unlike just one in the middle on Vikramaditya. Perhaps can house more fighters on deck too. Vikrant has wider rear ig and a well placed tower
Clean and modern design! 😁
Who are you try to fool, Indians ? Those pictures dont look like Shandong carrier, period, where did you fetch those fake photos of Shandong ? Next time, be smarter and try it harder, at least make the photos look like real ones.
 
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Who are you try to fool, Indians ? Those pictures dont look like Shandong carrier, period, where did you fetch those fake photos of Shandong ? Next time, be smarter and try it harder, at least make the photos look like real ones.


Calm down and least be so fair to admit it is not a fake and it is the Shandong! Nut the conclusion is still wrong …
 
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Calm down and least be so fair to admit it is not a fake and it is the Shandong! Nut the conclusion is still wrong …
The photos dont look like Shandong, can you prove they are ?
 
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