Russian fighter jet intercepts 2 US bombers over Baltic Sea (PHOTOS)

[Penguin]

No reason to call me stupid.

I call the maker of that picture stupid and possibly those that don't think for themselves and blindly use it.

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

Public opinion is guided by mass media.
Oh, no.

It seems that there is an excellent harvest of marijuana in Sweden.

Public Opinion is guided by publicity.
If there is a lack of publicity then public opinion may ignore an issue.
Just means that someone did not market their view properly.

Mass Media did not fabricate the killing of Libyans, Bosnians or Syrians.
They reported it, and public opinion reacted.

If you want to attack another country, you don't demobilize your forces.
No need for weed to come to that conclusion.

 

[Penguin]

EU and NATO should hurry to save Baltic states from Russian expansion.

Baltics urgently need much more money.

Otherwise, after a couple of decades, may be there will be no one to save.

Hardly surprising and not much different in the small Baltic states (Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania) than from other former Warsaw pact / Comecon countries e.g. Bulgaria, Romania, Croatia. One should consider that East Germany, Poland, Czechslovakia etc. were the better performing East bloc economies.

Likewise, if you look wider, you see the impact of economic crisis. People move where they can earn a living. (which doesn't mean they stay away forever, by the way)

And it doesn't mean that the situation in Russia is all that great...

Notice espectially the Western part of FRS: Population wise, Russia is moving to the East.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Russia

 

[victor07]

Public Opinion is guided by publicity.
If there is a lack of publicity then public opinion may ignore an issue.
Just means that someone did not market their view properly.

Mass Media did not fabricate the killing of Libyans, Bosnians or Syrians.
They reported it, and public opinion reacted.

If you want to attack another country, you don't demobilize your forces.
No need for weed to come to that conclusion.

The problem is that media did not reported killing of Serbs!

As for killing Syrians and Libyans they are mostly fabricated. For example:
"Ordered Censored by Trump: Swedish Medical Associations Says White Helmets Murdered Kids for Fake Gas Attack Videos" http://www.veteranstoday.com/2017/0...ets-murdered-kids-for-fake-gas-attack-videos/
http://theindicter.com/white-helmet...fake-lifesaving-and-malpractices-on-children/
http://theindicter.com/white-helmet...e-and-misuse-of-children-for-propaganda-aims/

And do you remember this event?

And the same lie is about for example Russian athletes.

 

[victor07]

Hardly surprising and not much different in the small Baltic states (Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania) than from other former Warsaw pact / Comecon countries e.g. Bulgaria, Romania, Croatia. One should consider that East Germany, Poland, Czechslovakia etc. were the better performing East bloc economies.

Likewise, if you look wider, you see the impact of economic crisis. People move where they can earn a living. (which doesn't mean they stay away forever, by the way)

And it doesn't mean that the situation in Russia is all that great...

Notice espectially the Western part of FRS: Population wise, Russia is moving to the East.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Russia

Your data are about nothing.
You confirmed that demography in Baltic states is the worst in EU. Furthermore it is much worse then in neighbouring regions of Russia. For example the population of St Petersburg and Leningrad oblast is growing.
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Население_Ленинградской_области
https://ru.wikipedia.org/Население_Санкт-Петербурга
the population of Pskov oblast annual decrease is about 0,8%.
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Население_Псковской_области
The economy of these countries requires immediate assistance, otherwise it may repeat the fate of the Ukrainian economy.
For example:
https://tradingeconomics.com/latvia/indicators
Pay attention to the GDP and its structure.

Main parts of GDP are services, manufacturing and transport. In all these parts Latvia and other Baltic states depend on Russia. Services mean tourism, manufacturing means export, transport means transit through the sea ports. If Russia continues to cut economic ties, the economy of the Baltic states will continue its decrease.
And this may lead to mass social protests. May be exactly for such occasion NATO troops appeared in this region.

 

[That Guy]

Both Russian and NATO air forces often skirt each other's territory, so it's nothing new. I doubt anything will occur from this, and it'll just be another footnote for Putin's secretary to write in Putin's daily briefing.

 

[Penguin]

Your data are about nothing.

Yes, I'm the village idiot, as is commonly known.

(A relatively few) Nato troops are present in the small Baltic states because a) their militaries are (too) small, b) the number of Russian troops and equipment in the Western military district (one of the four operational strategic commands of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation) is rather substantial and c) Russia has set a bad precendent with its actions in relation to Crimea and Ukraine (unmitigated by ferm words and silly military actions over international waters in the Baltic).

Have a nice Russian day.

 

[Penguin]

Oh my god, only the population index for FRS is slowly moving back up to 1992 levels (still not reached in 2015)

Yes, it is true, FRS' / Russia's population grows again (green line) per about 2012 (first time since early 1990's) .

But .... clearly not in the Western parts of the FRS

Natural increase (% change inpopulation, the reddish color) for Latvia and Estonia is under -10, under -5 for Lithuania. This compares to e.g. -7.1 for adjacent Pskov, -6.4 for Tver, -5.8 for Smolensk, -5.7 for Novgorod and -5 for St Peterburg.

Net migration for small Baltic states (greenish color) is substantial. But not a different trend from e.g. Poles or other Eastern Europeans going to work in Western Europe (who tend to eventually move back). I have found/presented no comparable data for FRS (i.e. extent to which population of Western FRS moves to work, either in Eastern FRS or outside FRS)

Note: in the absense of comparable period data for FRS, we here compare natural increase FRS components in 2015 (i.e. 1 single year), with cumulative population change 1990-2010 (i.e. 10 years together) for Baltic states. While it may be so that natural increase % for FRS components for e.g. 2016 are better (= less negative or even positive %), it is very unlikely that this would have been the case for the entire period since the early 1990s (1990, 1991 or 1992).

In sum, if you make a case based on development of populations, then do take into account that the situation in the small Baltic states appears not so different at all from that in the Russian heartland, as opposed to the entire FRS. After all, the European western part of the country is more populated and urbanised than the eastern part and just over three quarters of the FRS' population lives in European Russia.

"Thank you, thank you very much!" (Elvis has left the building)

 

[Fledgingwings]

The world is yet to see any direct action between the two countries.

 

[Penguin]

Your data are about nothing.
You confirmed that demography in Baltic states is the worst in EU. Furthermore it is much worse then in neighbouring regions of Russia.

So, if my data are about nothing, then really why are you responding in the first place? Wouldn't the fact that my data are entirely meaningless be self evident?

NB: a population can growth numerically (an absolute measure) due to a decreasing decline (= double negative) in natural increase (a %, i.e. a relative measure).

 

[Oldman1]

Man! you are living in CNN, FOX news agencies' propaganda.
When did Russian government said something like that?
But in the meantime i am witnessing NATO's developments in Latvia, Letonia, Romania, Georgia, coup in Ukraine and also knocking Russian doors in Baltic states. Who is aggressor here?

The one that took Crimea of Ukraine in attempt to take control of the Black Sea. Thats the response. Thats the aggressor.

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

The problem is that media did not reported killing of Serbs!

As for killing Syrians and Libyans they are mostly fabricated. For example:
"Ordered Censored by Trump: Swedish Medical Associations Says White Helmets Murdered Kids for Fake Gas Attack Videos" http://www.veteranstoday.com/2017/0...ets-murdered-kids-for-fake-gas-attack-videos/
http://theindicter.com/white-helmet...fake-lifesaving-and-malpractices-on-children/
http://theindicter.com/white-helmet...e-and-misuse-of-children-for-propaganda-aims/

And do you remember this event?

And the same lie is about for example Russian athletes.

Yes, Russians and Syrians tend to quote this wretched Swede which noone in Sweden
has ever heard about before.
He has zero education on anything he is commenting about.
His comments on Syria is purely based on watching Youtube videos,
and his only statements are those that defend the official Russian position on any issue.
The only thing we want to know is how much is Russia paying for this.

Prices Russia is paying for other fake news is in this report:

Russia should be banned from the Olympics for a loong loong time.

https://documents.trendmicro.com/as...hine-how-propagandists-abuse-the-internet.pdf

 

[vostok]

The one that took Crimea of Ukraine in attempt to take control of the Black Sea. Thats the response. Thats the aggressor.

Have you asked Crimeans about it? Or their opinion means nothing for you?
And your troops on the Russian borders - because of Russian agression?
Imagine that in 1991 there was collapse in the United States, not in the USSR. How would you like the troops of the Warsaw Pact in independent Connecticut? Or in independent Florida? How would you react if, in independent Texas, the Mexicans with the support of the USSR made a coup and threatened to expell the main US naval base? What would you do if the Americans living in Dallas did not want to become Mexicans and speak Spanish? Would you support their struggle and their free will for the reunification with the remains United States?
Some people here thinks that the world began to exist in 1991, and the previous centuries mean nothing at all. Like there was no history and no life before 1991.

 

[victor07]

So, if my data are about nothing, then really why are you responding in the first place? Wouldn't the fact that my data are entirely meaningless be self evident?

NB: a population can growth numerically (an absolute measure) due to a decreasing decline (= double negative) in natural increase (a %, i.e. a relative measure).

Do not take to heart. If may someone in Russia take to heart all the flow of lies about Russia in Western media, he/she may get a heart attack.
Your data on demography in Russia are incomplete, however, I'm not surprised. First even in your map St Petersburg has not -5 but +1,7. -5 is for Leningrad oblast. Second your map does not take into account internal migration, which looks like this:

As a result for examle Pskov in 2016 had the following data: Due to natural growth, the population increased by 72 people (positive natural increase of population) and due to migration +1642 more.
https://regnum.ru/news/society/2279689.html
As for Baltics:

But may be today we can see dramatic changes?

 

[Oldman1]

Have you asked Crimeans about it? Or their opinion means nothing for you?
And your troops on the Russian borders - because of Russian agression?
Imagine that in 1991 there was collapse in the United States, not in the USSR. How would you like the troops of the Warsaw Pact in independent Connecticut? Or in independent Florida? How would you react if, in independent Texas, the Mexicans with the support of the USSR made a coup and threatened to expell the main US naval base? What would you do if the Americans living in Dallas did not want to become Mexicans and speak Spanish? Would you support their struggle and their free will for the reunification with the remains United States?
Some people here thinks that the world began to exist in 1991, and the previous centuries mean nothing at all. Like there was no history and no life before 1991.

There were no U.S. forces near Russian border especially among eastern European country since 1991. Practically pulled all missiles out too. You going to invade every independent country because they disagree with you on policies? I probably understand that, hence your next plans are to invade other former Russian states then. Guess their opinion means nothing for you as well.

When are you going to invade Poland and other countries? Within the next few years?