Russia won't sell China radar system for J-20 stealth jet: Kanwa

[UKBengali]

J-16s and J-10bs (both in service) already field AESA radars.

China now fields AESA radars in fighters, ships and SAMs.

I once read a Chinese radar engineer said that China is only second to the US in radar technology and even the US is not that far ahead - although how he figured that out I do not know!

 

[AgentOrange]

The J-20 already has an AESA radar. I mean, you can literally see it on both the plane itself as well as one of China's IL-76 testbeds. The predecessor of the J-20's radar is on the J-10B. Once again, in mass production. I mean the author can spread rumors, etc but why bother with something that can easily be disproved on the first page of a google image search?

The article loses further credibility when he *yet again* brings up the unconfirmed rumor of China buying Su-35s.

 

[UKBengali]

The J-20 already has an AESA radar. I mean, you can literally see it on both the plane itself as well as one of China's IL-76 testbeds. And the article loses all credibility when he *yet again* brings up the unconfirmed rumor of China buying Su-35s.

It is nearly 2015 and we are still waiting for SU-35 to arrive in China!

 

[AgentOrange]

It is nearly 2015 and we are still waiting for SU-35 to arrive in China!

Exactly. The rumor is over 5 years old and won't die. Even as China is equipping regiment upon regiment of the PLAAF with J-10s, J-15s, and soon J-20s. I bet they'll still be talking about China buying the Su-35 in another 5 years when the first PLAAF J-20 regiment is equipped. It'll be Kanwa again, no doubt.

 

[Luca1]

Why is this article in the Indian section. Some Indians are overtly obsessed with anything Zchina. Including this fake news

 

[ptldM3]

For a start China has a more advanced semiconductor and electronics industry than Russia. This is greatly aiding in the development of radars and other electronics for the arms industry.

Your logic fails for many reasons, firstly Israel is known to built some of the most advanced military systems in the world, in fact they were first to have airborne AESA. Sorry you will never find Israel highly ranked in the Top 500 supercomputers which is everyone's foolish criteria on judging a countries technical knowhow in computing. Israel's military complex is a well guarded secret. They do not flaunt their stuff in public.

Likewise, having the most advanced semiconductors in the world means nothing. Computer programers alone can not built a radar, they needs experts from many different disciplines. Those experts need to be visionaries and have creativity, just as important those experts need to have industry experience. Not to mention countries like Israel as well as Russia are know to have agents working in the silicon valley that pass on and sell information. Cyber spying is also used as is recruiting people in actual defence projects.

China has just surpassed the US, in PPP, to be the richest economy on the planet and is growing several times faster than US. Chinese input in R&D is many times greater than Russia.

So? Again you bring up nothing that supports your claim, just empty speculation. By that token Israel with its little PPP should, according to your logic, not be able to built anything more then mud huts. Yet the reality is completely different. People argue, and they have good reason, that Israel has better systems then the US, China, Russia, Germany, ect. Yet according to your criteria this is simply impossible.

 

[Jlaw]

Baldy needs a new job.

 

[siegecrossbow]

Kanza is based in Canada. It is worthless as a defence journal. All it does is cut & paste, on top of pulling BS out of thin air.

Kanwa writer Pinkov incurred the wrath of many amateur Chinese military photographers since he often uses their photos without permissions or acknowledgements. As a result, many newer photos have "No Pinkov" watermarks on them.

 

[AgentOrange]

Kanwa writer Pinkov incurred the wrath of many amateur Chinese military photographers since he often uses their photos without permissions or acknowledgements. As a result, many newer photos have "No Pinkov" watermarks on them.

He's a thief and he gets paid for stealing other people's pictures and hard work.

 

[siegecrossbow]

He's a thief and he gets paid for stealing other people's pictures and hard work.

I heard that some Chinese military fans are planning on egging him if they run into him at Zhuhai .

 

[Jungibaaz]

AESA isn't some single form of tech, where one project's learning can be fully applied elsewhere. Even AESA has 'generations' in it's level of advancement and varies depending on the platform it's being made for. Still, I think this news is nonsense. The Chinese seem more than happy to use their own AESA radars in other aircraft.

 

[cirr]

Kanwa？

By Pinkov the Bald?

The man‘s magazine is considered worth less than a roll of toilet papers。

And the man himself is often thought to be an under cover agent working for the Chinese intelligence。

Only that he graduated from a normal training college（teachers college）in a remote mountainous corner of China。

So、。。。。。

 

[UKBengali]

Your logic fails for many reasons, firstly Israel is known to built some of the most advanced military systems in the world, in fact they were first to have airborne AESA. Sorry you will never find Israel highly ranked in the Top 500 supercomputers which is everyone's foolish criteria on judging a countries technical knowhow in computing. Israel's military complex is a well guarded secret. They do not flaunt their stuff in public.

Likewise, having the most advanced semiconductors in the world means nothing. Computer programers alone can not built a radar, they needs experts from many different disciplines. Those experts need to be visionaries and have creativity, just as important those experts need to have industry experience. Not to mention countries like Israel as well as Russia are know to have agents working in the silicon valley that pass on and sell information. Cyber spying is also used as is recruiting people in actual defence projects.







So? Again you bring up nothing that supports your claim, just empty speculation. By that token Israel with its little PPP should, according to your logic, not be able to built anything more then mud huts. Yet the reality is completely different. People argue, and they have good reason, that Israel has better systems then the US, China, Russia, Germany, ect. Yet according to your criteria this is simply impossible.

The Jews are an exemption for two reasons - massive technology and fiscal transfers by the US.

As for China, it now spends as much on military R&D in real terms as the US does and will arguably be spending more in the future as it's economy dwarfs the US.

How did the old Soviet Union manage to build such great fighters and submarines in the 1980s?

It was a combination of pre-existing knowledge/experience and massive military spending, which was estimated to be between 12-14% of GDP during the cold war.

China has the perfect combination of good knowledge/experience and massive funds to be able to drive its technology forward in all areas. Russia will just have to pick and choose which areas it can afford to invest in.

China is the only country in the world that can threaten US global supremacy. All that Russia can do is be an annoyance in Eastern Europe and Central Asia.

 

[Akasa]

Alright. Let us get this settled.

The prototype radar for the J-20 has already been developed since 2009.

The radar has 1856 transmit and receive modules. As you can deduce from the picture, the AESA for the J-10B and J-16 are also revealed. The radar for the J-16 are to be installed on the J-15 and later batches of the J-11B as well.

The avionics systems for the J-20 and J-31 are selected via competition from multiple different corporations stemming from numerous research institutes, a feature of the supply chain that Russian does not have the luxury of establishing.

This is, of course, not to mention that these corporations have produced far more models of these active phased array systems than Tikhomirov or her competitors.

And to close the argument off, the need to post an article from WantChinaTimes is enough of a testimony to the authoritativeness of the original claim, or rather, the lack thereof.

 

[Ammyy]

You are an Indian and highly jealous of China's success.

No need to bother wasting time with someone who has an agenda.

As I said earlier instead of behaving like cheerleader just put some facts and figure how Chinese radars are better?