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MeFishToo said:
Looking back in history, Russia is nothing but a long story of expansionism and imperialism. Pointing at european imperialism or american dominance doesnt justify any further russian imperial dreams on behalf of its neighboring countries.

Russia is not stopping at Donbas. There are russian speakers, or russian defined compatriots, waiting to be liberated all the way west to Germany and south to Iraq and Iran. Russia is going to buy, threaten or conquer its way to control it all. For decades Russia has supported anti EU parties and organizations in Europe, as well as following a strategy of re-imperialization in Ukraine, Belarus, Moldova, Georgia, Armenia and Azerbaijan.
Basicly EU support these countries rights to democratic transition, while Russia only reconize their limited sovereignty because they are considered Russias zone of interest. Russia understands national security as defensive expansion, so of course EU countries are threatend by Russia.

You were right about Putin being crazy. Look at a map - hows does a population of 140 million even justify holding a landmass like Russia, while arguing something was taken from them?
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Great, crazy Europeans WASP want to duke it out against Russians orthodox, then go ahead. I couldn't care less, not my problem and will never be. The point is Russia is winning despite proxy war and heavy attrition. In Canada, we have 8% inflation as well, and Trudeau government equally inept as rest of these G7 idiots. West is in accelerating decline, and Canada at least has the natural resources to weather the storm. If you want to talk about population density, Canada and the Scandinavian countries has equally small population and large land masses than even Russia. Albeit at a smaller scale, so your argument about threat of Russia imperialism is just rubbish. Euro is tanking as we speak and Yen already took a horrific fall. Euro collapse has the potential to disintegrate EU all together. Germany tax payers will never bail out financially weak EU partners. If a tactical Nuclear bomb is dropped in Europe, Euro might be worth less than Viet Dong. You ask for it, be careful what u wish for.
 
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Russian advance in eastern Ukraine seen as big blow

Russian forces appeared to capture the eastern Ukrainian city of Lysychansk, a major step toward conquering the entire Donbas.
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Russian advance in eastern Ukraine seen as big blow​

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New York Daily News
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Jul 03, 2022 at 6:21 pm

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Russia says it withdrew troops from Ukraine's Snake Island in the Black Sea as a gesture aimed at easing grain shipments, while Ukrainian forces said they had pulled out under massive attack. Annmarie Hordern reports on Bloomberg Television



“The continuation of the defense of the city would lead to fatal consequences,” Ukrainian military officials were quoted as saying by The New York Times. “In order to preserve the lives of Ukrainian defenders, a decision was made to withdraw.”
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People look over the wreckage after a missile stuck a shopping mall on July 03, 2022 in Sloviansk, Ukraine. The attack was one of many in the city early Sunday afternoon. (Scott Olson/Getty Images)
The Ukrainian military said Russian forces had huge advantages in terms of both firepower and manpower.

Since withdrawing from the region around Ukraine’s capital Kyiv in the spring, Russian forces have concentrated their attacks on the eastern Luhansk and Donetsk regions, which make up the area known as Donbas.
Capturing Lysychansk would mean a major step toward conquering the entire Donbas, where Ukrainian forces have battled Russian-backed separatists since 2014. The conflict reached new heights on Feb. 24, when Russia launched its invasion and stepped up hostilities.


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Ukrainian forces will return to Lysychansk, Ukraine’s President Volodymyr Zelenskyy vowed in a Saturday night address.
“We will return thanks to our tactics, thanks to the increase in the supply of modern weapons,” he said. “Ukraine does not give anything up.”
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Fire burns at a shopping mall after it was struck by a missile on July 03, 2022 in Sloviansk, Ukraine. The attack was one of many in the city early Sunday afternoon, which targeted residential neighborhoods, destroyed homes and left at least 6 people dead and 15 injured. (Scott Olson/Getty Images)
Zelenskyy got in some digs at Russian President Vladimir Putin about his promise of a quick and easy victory prior to the start of the invasion.
“Let them remember their reports and promises before Feb. 24, in the first days of this invasion, in the spring and now,” Zelenskyy said. “Let them really evaluate what they got over this time and how much they paid for it.”
Nevertheless, the capture of Lysychansk — the last city in Luhansk held by Ukraine, the Times noted — positions Russian forces to march on to other key cities like Sloviansk. At least six people were killed by shelling there, the BBC reported.
In recent weeks, western leaders have grappled with the challenge of maintaining support for Ukraine as the war grinds on.
On Friday, the U.S. announced $820 million in additional military aid, on top of billions of dollars Washing has already sent. The Treasury Department also blocked a $1 billion U.S.-based trust linked to sanctioned Russian oligarch Suleiman Abusaidovich Kerimov, the latest in a series of economic moves with both symbolic and strategic importance.
“We are going to support Ukraine as long as it takes,” President Biden said at a NATO summit last week in Madrid.
“Russia, in fact, has already lost its international standing,” he said. “Russia is in a position where the whole world is looking and saying, ‘Wait a minute, all this effort — you tried to take the whole country. You tried to take Kyiv. You lost. You’ve tried to take the Donbas and all of it. You haven’t done that yet.’”
But the apparent capture of Lysychansk marked a major moral and military blow to Ukraine.
“It’s like a knife to the heart,” resident Ivan Shybkov told the Times. “Our emotions are not a switch that can be switched off. Therefore, of course, it hurts us a lot.”
Amid the horrifying violence claiming thousands of civilian lives, a war of words has transpired between western leaders and Putin.
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People salvage merchandise from their shops after a missile stuck a shopping mall on July 03, 2022 in Sloviansk, Ukraine. The attack was one of many in the city early Sunday afternoon. (Scott Olson/Getty Images)
Last week, bigwigs from the Group of Seven wealthy democracies joked about posing shirtless for a group photo in Germany, a dig at Putin’s proclivity for macho pics.
“I don’t know how they wanted to get undressed, above or below the waist,” Putin told reporters in Moscow. “But I think it would be a disgusting sight in any case.”
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Tai Hai Chen said:
America does not allow the world to have peace. When Russia tried to join NATO, America blocked it. Because war is profit. America needs war to have profit.
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NATO seems to be a waste of money, totally useless, the day they fight it will be nuclear Armageddon so seems to be a setup for world destruction.
 
khansaheeb said:
NATO seems to be a waste of money, totally useless, the day they fight it will be nuclear Armageddon so seems to be a setup for world destruction.
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America is the glue that holds NATO together. As America decays, the glue decays. Eventually, NATO will be dissolved and NATO countries will go to war with each other for land. France vs Germany. Greece vs Turkey. Sweden vs Finland. Spain vs Portugal.

War is human nature. Every day since dawn of humanity 200,000 years ago there is war somewhere in the world. Russians is not the problem. Humans is the problem. Unless humans are eliminated from Earth, there will be war every day somewhere in the world. This is what Albert Einstein had to say about war.

“I do not know with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones.” – Albert Einstein.

 
@Tai Hai Chen stop with ur dumb repetitive comments, u r inciting useless debates. The thread wil get closed because of u again. Just shut ur dumb brain.
@waz thread ban him and there wont be any fights.
 
TNT said:
@Tai Hai Chen stop with ur dumb repetitive comments, u r inciting useless debates. The thread wil get closed because of u again. Just shut ur dumb brain.
@waz thread ban him and there wont be any fights.
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Einstein's words. Not my words.

“I do not know with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones.” – Albert Einstein.
 
Tai Hai Chen said:
America is the glue that holds NATO together. As America decays, the glue decays. Eventually, NATO will be dissolved and NATO countries will go to war with each other for land. France vs Germany. Greece vs Turkey. Sweden vs Finland. Spain vs Portugal.

War is human nature. Every day since dawn of humanity 200,000 years ago there is war somewhere in the world. Russians is not the problem. Humans is the problem. Unless humans are eliminated from Earth, there will be war every day somewhere in the world. This is what Albert Einstein had to say about war.

“I do not know with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones.” – Albert Einstein.

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