Russia-Ukraine War - News and Developments

[jamahir]

Soviet economy is communism like @jamahir supports

That system will fail eventually, now Russia has used mixed economy, the same like China and Indonesia economic system.

No, the USSR's socio-economic system wasn't true Communism because Communism desires for abolishment of money yet USSR had money system. Gaddafi too wrote of wanting human society to ultimately be rid of money. I quote a section from part 2 of Gaddafi's Green Book :

The final step is for the new socialist society to reach a stage in which profit and money disappear. Society will become fully productive; the material needs of society will be met. In this final stage, profit will disappear, as will the need for money.

The recognition of profit is an acknowledgment of exploitation, for profit has no limit. Attempts so far to limit profit by various means have been reformative, not radical, intending to prohibit exploitation of man by man. The final solution lies in eradicating profit, but because profit is the dynamic force behind the economic process, eliminating profit is not a matter of decree but, rather, an outcome of the evolving socialist process. This solution can be attained when the material satisfaction of the needs of society and its members is achieved. Work to increase profit will itself lead to its final eradication.

Now since humanity doesn't have molecular replicator machines to produce things for free and since perhaps humanity needs to go to a money-less society in two steps because they have to get comfortable with the idea, for the moment we need a very simple socio-economic system where all basic necessities are free and there's an evolved money while at the same time the economic classes ( rich, middle, poor ) have been abolished and all citizens can potentially have equal access to all the other goods and services in society. In this thread I propose such a system.

As for China, it doesn't have a mixed economic system ( what do you mean by that term ? ). Although the Chinese internal money system is called Renminbi ( People's money ) China continues to have economic classes ( very rich, rich, middle, poor ), has privatization of even basic services like housing and healthcare and has the stock market system where the system allows citizens to gamble, lose money and suicide :

China - Man loses money in stock market and jumps into steel furnace

Man in China jumps into steel furnace and dies after reportedly losing money on stock exchange A steelworker was caught on surveillance camera jumping into a blast furnace in China, local police have reported The man had allegedly accrued large financial losses trading in stocks, his colleagues...

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China must adopt a Communistic socio-economic such as the one I propose.

I will tag @Wergeland because you quote him.

 

[Indos]

As for China, it doesn't have a mixed economic system ( what do you mean by that term ? ).

Mixed economy is market and capitalism system but with government intervention and significant state owned companies present. In Indonesia , aside of state owned companies owned by Central Government, we also have province owned companies like PT Jaya (majority stake holder is Jakarta local government) that has become a conglomeration, another provinces ( total 34 provinces) also have their own companies and work in various industry including banking and oil and gas sector) and around 5000 village owned companies.

 

[jamahir]

Mixed economy is market and capitalism system but with government intervention and significant state owned companies present. In Indonesia , aside of state owned companies owned by Central Government, we also have province owned companies like PT Jaya (majority stake holder is Jakarta local government) that has become a conglomeration and around 5000 village owned companies.

Well, that way even India has state-owned companies and private companies and India is the most Capitalist society in history. State ownership in some sectors was established by Nehru, the first prime minister of India, as he was a bit inspired by the USSR's system including having a five-year-plan committee called Planning Commission but he did not change the structure of India's extremely Capitalist society whether it be the stock market ( the Bombay Stock Exchange is one of the oldest in the world ) or banks that operate on interest basis or private, interest-taking money lenders or privately-owned land or the Capitalist nature of Indian families and privately-owned housing, healthcare and educational institutions. He did not make electricity and water free. There was a subsidized food public distribution system for all until the 1990s but that has since been removed for the middle and upper class and what remains is subject to propaganda by crooked political parties just before and during elections.

Even USA has a mixed economy then. So mixed economy is just Capitalism.

Though yes, the Indonesian village-owned companies idea is nice.

 

[CAPRICORN-88]

Cargoes of Russian Sokol crude from the Far East have sold out for next month in a sign that shipments from the nation continue to find buyers despite Moscow facing more sanctions for its war in Ukraine.

May-loading cargoes from the Sakhalin-I project will be delivered to buyers in Japan, South Korea, China and India on a spot or term basis, said traders who asked not to be named because the information is private. Sokol yields a lot of...

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[Indos]

Well, that way even India has state-owned companies and private companies and India is the most Capitalist society in history. State ownership in some sectors was established by Nehru, the first prime minister of India, as he was a bit inspired by the USSR's system including having a five-year-plan committee called Planning Commission but he did not change the structure of India's extremely Capitalist society whether it be the stock market ( the Bombay Stock Exchange is one of the oldest in the world ) or banks that operate on interest basis or private, interest-taking money lenders or privately-owned land or the Capitalist nature of Indian families and privately-owned housing, healthcare and educational institutions. He did not make electricity and water free. There was a subsidized food public distribution system for all until the 1990s but that has since been removed for the middle and upper class and what remains is subject to propaganda by crooked political parties just before and during elections.

Even USA has a mixed economy then. So mixed economy is just Capitalism.

Though yes, the Indonesian village-owned companies idea is nice.

USA economy cannot be seen as mixed economy, their private sector is dominating the economy and own vital sector like electricity, oil and gas, military, banking system

Then compared to Indonesia where electricity is under a monopoly of state owned company, PT PLN who also has its own power plants, 80 % oil production in Indonesia is produced by state owned Pertamina- dwarf MNC present in Indonesia like Exxon Mobile, British Petroleum, and others

Indonesia banking sector is dominated by state owned company and even almost every province has their own bank. Out of 10 biggest banks in Indonesia, 7 are state owned, 2 biggest are state owned (Mandiri and BRI) while foreign bank has 2, and 1 private national companies but with 50 % stakes owned by public and foreign investors ( traded in Indonesia stock exchange).

Our military industry is dominated by state owned companies as well

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Village owned company I think is closer to Communism system but this companies run with market and capitalism system.

 

[jamahir]

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She returned the food..Brave brave Grandma.. Hope nothing bad happened to her after, off camera..

They are brave. The Ukranian military thug was talking in the manner of an extortion gangster because that's what his bunch is.

Al they had to do is set up a system of government where the central planning does not exist and farmers have control of their own land and are able to see their own harvest.

In USA there is no central planning and the farmers have private land yet some of them suicide for socio-economic reasons and others are left destitute.

It does not help when Mao sends his people to confiscate the rice to give to his cronies while peasants are forced to eat their own children.

Eat their own children ? Like how Yeonmi Park, the notorious defector girl from North Korea, said what happens in NK, LOL ? People pushing trains, people like dying by the roadside and their organs coming out, people eating rats and then rats eating people, or the other way around ?

@CAPRICORN-88 @beijingwalker @TaiShang, what is TheTutle saying ?

USA economy cannot be seen as mixed economy, their private sector is dominating the economy and own vital sector like electricity, oil and gas, military, banking system

Agreed but there is at least one state-owned company - NASA but it too contracts out the systems building work to private companies which actually is not bad at all.

Then compared to Indonesia where electricity is under a monopoly of state owned company, PT PLN who also has its own power plants, 80 % oil production in Indonesia is produced by state owned Pertamina- dwarf MNC present in Indonesia like Exxon Mobile, British Petroleum, and others

Indonesia banking sector is dominated by state owned company and even almost every province has their own bank. Out of 10 biggest banks in Indonesia, 7 are state owned, 2 biggest are state owned (Mandiri and BRI) while foreign bank has 2, and 1 private national companies but with 50 % stakes owned by public and foreign investors.

Our military industry is dominated by state owned companies as well

OK.

Village owned company I think is closer to Communism system but this companies run with market and capitalism system.

Agreed. The community-owned and decentralized nature of these village-owned companies make them very suitable for conversion to Communist socio-economics in the future.

 

[Corax]

When was the last time a sea blockade that lasted years?

Cuba, it still exists. An example of the US destroying a country purely out of spite and for daring to ever challenge it.

 

[Messerschmitt]

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[Viet]

Russia economy is doing well. Export of oil in fact has increased and Ruble did not collapsed as told by a US President who often has lapses and got lost inside the White House.

Stop applying a Khmer Krom interpretation of subject you don't understand.

You have low intellect. You eat propaganda. The ruble is overpriced. Putin manipulates the exchange rate.
You can see it by looking at Russia gov bonds.
They are traded at 20 cent per dollar.
That’s 3x worse than bonds of bankrupt Sri Lanka.
The exports performance is short lived. Putin lost all rich major customers in the west.

He now sells stuffs with deep discounts on poor customers in the East.

 

[CAPRICORN-88]

You have low intellect. You eat propaganda. The ruble is overpriced. Putin manipulates the exchange rate.
You can see it by looking at Russia gov bonds.
They are traded at 20 cent per dollar.
That’s 3x worse than bonds of bankrupt Sri Lanka.
The exports performance is short lived. Putin lost all rich major customers in the west.

He now sells stuffs with deep discounts on poor customers in the East.

As I cite earlier.

Quit.

It is not a subject nor something you will understand no matter how hard you try.

We no longer count with your fingers and toes.

It is beyond a simple minded Khmer Krom like you.

Right now. Russia economy is OK no matter what the US is doing. That is what even the truthful US experts are saying today.

The US and allies have run out of sanctions.

And so out of frustration they decided Russia should leave G20 as though she can still dictate whatever she wants.

The US was the sole superpower at the turn of the Century but don't tell that to a Khmer Krom who is still dreaming inside a dog hole
or
bother to inform him that the Chinese North Vietnamese are now in charge of the new Vietnam
or
NAM was all over long time ago.

He is still living hopelessly lingering to the past.

 

[Type59]

Ukrainian military resisting in urban areas is seen as "heroic". Palestinians done same in Gaza were held responsible for civilian casualties.

 

[Viet]

As I cite earlier.

Quit.

It is not a subject nor something you will understand no matter how hard you try.

We no longer count with your fingers and toes.

It is beyond a simple minded Khmer Krom like you.

Right now. Russia economy is OK no matter what the US is doing. That is what even the truthful US experts are saying today.

The US and allies have run out of sanctions.

And so out of frustration they decided Russia should leave G20 as though she can still dictate whatever she wants.

The US was the sole superpower at the turn of the Century but don't tell that to a Khmer Krom who is still dreaming inside a dog hole
or
bother to inform him that the Chinese North Vietnamese are now in charge of the new Vietnam
or
NAM was all over long time ago.

He is still living hopelessly lingering to the past.

Russia economy ok? Man, you are delusional. Putin receives some money as before the war. However Russia middle class is finished. They lost everything they used to be. Holiday on Vietnam great beaches, spending money on overpriced French bags in Paris, buying Huawei spy phone in Beijing, eating McDonald burgers in Moscow. For Russian poor they get poorer. For Russian rich they lost their money and yachts in the West.
Aeroflot can’t fly anywhere, the only destination is Mink.

 

[CAPRICORN-88]

Russia economy ok? Man, you are delusional. Putin receives some money as before the war. However Russia middle class is finished. They lost everything they used to be. Holiday on Vietnam great beaches, spending money on overpriced French bags in Paris, buying Huawei spy phone in Beijing, eating McDonald burgers in Moscow. For Russian poor they get poorer. For Russian rich they lost their money and yachts in the West.
Aeroflot can’t fly anywhere, the only destination is Mink.

Go back into your dog hole and stop trolling.

Russia economy is OK despite whatever sanction the UK and EU may throw at them. They are not working.

Russia is a net surplus nation.

Russia has offers to pay their bond holders in ruble and that is until EU unfrozen the foreign reserves held in their banks.

If they don't like it they can sue Russia or perhaps the US and EU for their illegal sanctions against Russia.

Meanwhile the Swiss has silently removed their sanction against the Russia banks.

It only lasted 2 days.

 

[CAPRICORN-88]

Yes. There will be a declination in Russia GDP this year which will have no impact on Russian generally.

So what? It is all anticipated.
Russia can weather them.

When Russia replaced EU goods with lower costing Made in China goods, it means better value for money exchange.

Russians are happy and so are the sellers in China.

Soon Russian supermarkets like their Western counterparts or elsewhere will be filled with Chinese consumer goods that are value for money.

Ruble is now back to the level before the invasion started 6 weeks ago.

 

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