Russia-Ukraine War - News and Developments

[Viet]

So NATO at some point placing nuclear missiles in Ukraine is supposed to be soothing to Russia ? IIRC, Russia had raised objections over NATO placing Patriot air defense missiles in Poland years ago because I think the Russian perception was that what would stop NATO from bringing in nuclear missiles into Poland as well.



And NATO reigning over an empire of homeless people, citizens' indebtedness because of obtaining healthcare and education, people doing multiple jobs to survive, private cars, pollution, dysfunctional social arrangements etc is all good ? If North Korea eliminates the anti-Communism dynasty rule I am sure many Westerners and Easter Europeans would appreciate the harmony and free facilities that North Korean can bring them.

Wrong
First. It’s a myth that NATO broke the promise.
Second, NATO in Europe has no long range ballistic missiles that can hit Moskow.

In contrast Russia has packed a massive arsenal of missiles that can hit all Europe cities.

You mean Europe is not allowed to have a missile defense?

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

Poland is leading an initiative to put peacekeeping force inside Ukraine and other NATO members have supported the initiative. The reason Poland is supporting this is because it has been impacted by 4 million refugees now and this number will likely reach 10-million in the coming months.

But Poland can't put troops inside Ukraine as the Russians aren't on good terms with them and identify them as potential target hence if guraantor agreement is reached it will be US and Turkey with UK having an outside chance..

Turkey could dispatch 6000 forces peacekeepers into Ukraine in the coming months as guraantors in the deconfliction line meaning whatever Russia takes will be under their line and whatever Ukraine has left under Ukraine line where Turkish forces hold borders in the deconfliction zone

I think Russia will be satisfied with taking Kharkiv and Mariupol. Second biggest city and second biggest port city.

 

[WotTen]

Yes, worse than US in Afghanistan. In Iraq and Afghanistan, it was US who were self restrained due to humanitarian concerns. Today in Ukraine, the Russian Army is stalled due to incompetence and restrained due to Ukrainian fighters.

Russia is also showing immense restraint in Ukraine compared to Syria, Chechnya or Afghanistan (1980s) because

1. They know the Western reaction will be far worse to mass casualties of white Christian civilians.
2. The Ukrainians are ethnic Slavs like Russians and Orthodox Christians, albeit slightly different from Russian Orthodox.
3. Putin may be deluded enough to still believe he can win Ukrainian hearts and minds to eventually welcome a pro-Russian regime.

 

[jamahir]

Wrong
First. It’s a myth that NATO broke the promise.

Someone had posted a press conference vid of Putin on this thread I think some days ago that had him explaining at length the promises that NATO had broken.

Second, NATO has no long range ballistic missiles that can hit Moskow.

So no NATO version of the Russian Iskander ? And not even tactical nuclear missiles ?

In contrast Russia has packed a massive arsenal of missiles that can hit all Europe cities.

Yes but that is besides that point.

 

[Viet]

Someone had posted a press conference vid of Putin on this thread I think some days ago that had him explaining at length the promises that NATO had broken.



So no NATO version of the Russian Iskander ? And not even tactical nuclear missiles ?



Yes but that is besides that point.

No ballistic missiles in Europe
There is no direct threat to Russia.

UK and France have nuclear missiles on submarines.
The US has gravitation thermonuclear bombs in Germany, not too far where I live.

Germans Tornado deepdive bombers are responsible to carry the bombs to drop on moskow. 2,000 km away.

 

[Amliunion]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1505072964458500098

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

Self propelled howitzers shooting.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1505064650332905472

 

[Amliunion]

Poland is leading an initiative to put peacekeeping force inside Ukraine and other NATO members have supported the initiative. The reason Poland is supporting this is because it has been impacted by 4 million refugees now and this number will likely reach 10-million in the coming months.

But Poland can't put troops inside Ukraine as the Russians aren't on good terms with them and identify them as potential target hence if guraantor agreement is reached it will be US and Turkey with UK having an outside chance..

Turkey could dispatch 6000 forces peacekeepers into Ukraine in the coming months as guraantors in the deconfliction line meaning whatever Russia takes will be under their line and whatever Ukraine has left under Ukraine line where Turkish forces hold borders in the deconfliction zone

Uncle Sam, Germany & France will veto it. NATO wants to fight Russia till the Last standing Ukrainian. Weapons will keep pouring into Ukraine.

 

[F-22Raptor]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1504946465499713543

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

Separatists AKA Russian bums who go to Ukraine for land and women T-64BV shooting in Mariupol.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1505074168014032903

 

[Amliunion]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1505079162314403844

 

[jhungary]

China accuses US and NATO as 'culprits' of Russia's war in Ukraine​

China tagged the US and NATO as the "culprits" of the ongoing war in Ukraine, a day after US President Joe Biden branded Russia's President Vladimir Putin a "war criminal" for the first time. | via AFP

Oh yeah, China said it, then it must be true.

It's like when Russia said they try to "Denazify" a Jewish Regime. And then turn around and destroy Babi Yar holocaust Museum, sure, it's all about a Nazi Jew, right?

Dude, I even felt stupid typing it.......

 

[Amliunion]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1505079167725060099

 

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[Paul2]

Because Taiwan is the traditional territory of the Han people,

Taiwan wasn't even colonised until late 19th century...

There were many more Chinese even in Malaysia 1000km away than TW up until 20th century.