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John Mearsheimer on why the West is principally responsible for the Ukrainian crisis
The political scientist believes the reckless expansion of NATO provoked Russia


The war in Ukraine is the most dangerous international conflict since the 1962 Cuban missile crisis. Understanding its root causes is essential if we are to prevent it from getting worse and, instead, to find a way to bring it to a close.

There is no question that Vladimir Putin started the war and is responsible for how it is being waged. But why he did so is another matter. The mainstream view in the West is that he is an irrational, out-of-touch aggressor bent on creating a greater Russia in the mould of the former Soviet Union. Thus, he alone bears full responsibility for the Ukraine crisis.

But that story is wrong. The West, and especially America, is principally responsible for the crisis which began in February 2014. It has now turned into a war that not only threatens to destroy Ukraine, but also has the potential to escalate into a nuclear war between Russia and nato.

The trouble over Ukraine actually started at nato’s Bucharest summit in April 2008, when George W. Bush’s administration pushed the alliance to announce that Ukraine and Georgia “will become members”. Russian leaders responded immediately with outrage, characterising this decision as an existential threat to Russia and vowing to thwart it. According to a respected Russian journalist, Mr Putin “flew into a rage” and warned that “if Ukraine joins nato, it will do so without Crimea and the eastern regions. It will simply fall apart.” America ignored Moscow’s red line, however, and pushed forward to make Ukraine a Western bulwark on Russia’s border. That strategy included two other elements: bringing Ukraine closer to the eu and making it a pro-American democracy.

These efforts eventually sparked hostilities in February 2014, after an uprising (which was supported by America) caused Ukraine’s pro-Russian president, Viktor Yanukovych, to flee the country. In response, Russia took Crimea from Ukraine and helped fuel a civil war that broke out in the Donbas region of eastern Ukraine.

The next major confrontation came in December 2021 and led directly to the current war. The main cause was that Ukraine was becoming a de facto member of nato. The process started in December 2017, when the Trump administration decided to sell Kyiv “defensive weapons”. What counts as “defensive” is hardly clear-cut, however, and these weapons certainly looked offensive to Moscow and its allies in the Donbas region. Other nato countries got in on the act, shipping weapons to Ukraine, training its armed forces and allowing it to participate in joint air and naval exercises. In July 2021, Ukraine and America co-hosted a major naval exercise in the Black Sea region involving navies from 32 countries. Operation Sea Breeze almost provoked Russia to fire at a British naval destroyer that deliberately entered what Russia considers its territorial waters.

The links between Ukraine and America continued growing under the Biden administration. This commitment is reflected throughout an important document—the “us-Ukraine Charter on Strategic Partnership”—that was signed in November by Antony Blinken, America’s secretary of state, and Dmytro Kuleba, his Ukrainian counterpart. The aim was to “underscore … a commitment to Ukraine’s implementation of the deep and comprehensive reforms necessary for full integration into European and Euro-Atlantic institutions.” The document explicitly builds on “the commitments made to strengthen the Ukraine-u.s. strategic partnership by Presidents Zelensky and Biden,” and also emphasises that the two countries will be guided by the “2008 Bucharest Summit Declaration.

Unsurprisingly, Moscow found this evolving situation intolerable and began mobilising its army on Ukraine’s border last spring to signal its resolve to Washington. But it had no effect, as the Biden administration continued to move closer to Ukraine. This led Russia to precipitate a full-blown diplomatic stand-off in December. As Sergey Lavrov, Russia’s foreign minister, put it: “We reached our boiling point.” Russia demanded a written guarantee that Ukraine would never become a part of nato and that the alliance remove the military assets it had deployed in eastern Europe since 1997. The subsequent negotiations failed, as Mr Blinken made clear: “There is no change. There will be no change.” A month later Mr Putin launched an invasion of Ukraine to eliminate the threat he saw from nato.

This interpretation of events is at odds with the prevailing mantra in the West, which portrays nato expansion as irrelevant to the Ukraine crisis, blaming instead Mr Putin’s expansionist goals. According to a recent nato document sent to Russian leaders, “nato is a defensive Alliance and poses no threat to Russia.” The available evidence contradicts these claims. For starters, the issue at hand is not what Western leaders say nato’s purpose or intentions are; it is how Moscow sees nato’s actions.

Mr Putin surely knows that the costs of conquering and occupying large amounts of territory in eastern Europe would be prohibitive for Russia. As he once put it, “Whoever does not miss the Soviet Union has no heart. Whoever wants it back has no brain.” His beliefs about the tight bonds between Russia and Ukraine notwithstanding, trying to take back all of Ukraine would be like trying to swallow a porcupine. Furthermore, Russian policymakers—including Mr Putin—have said hardly anything about conquering new territory to recreate the Soviet Union or build a greater Russia. Rather, since the 2008 Bucharest summit Russian leaders have repeatedly said that they view Ukraine joining nato as an existential threat that must be prevented. As Mr Lavrov noted in January, “the key to everything is the guarantee that nato will not expand eastward.”

Tellingly, Western leaders rarely described Russia as a military threat to Europe before 2014. As America’s former ambassador to Moscow Michael McFaul notes, Mr Putin’s seizure of Crimea was not planned for long; it was an impulsive move in response to the coup that overthrew Ukraine’s pro-Russian leader. In fact, until then, nato expansion was aimed at turning all of Europe into a giant zone of peace, not containing a dangerous Russia. Once the crisis started, however, American and European policymakers could not admit they had provoked it by trying to integrate Ukraine into the West. They declared the real source of the problem was Russia’s revanchism and its desire to dominate if not conquer Ukraine.

My story about the conflict’s causes should not be controversial, given that many prominent American foreign-policy experts have warned against nato expansion since the late 1990s. America’s secretary of defence at the time of the Bucharest summit, Robert Gates, recognised that “trying to bring Georgia and Ukraine into nato was truly overreaching”. Indeed, at that summit, both the German chancellor, Angela Merkel, and the French president, Nicolas Sarkozy, were opposed to moving forward on nato membership for Ukraine because they feared it would infuriate Russia.

The upshot of my interpretation is that we are in an extremely dangerous situation, and Western policy is exacerbating these risks. For Russia’s leaders, what happens in Ukraine has little to do with their imperial ambitions being thwarted; it is about dealing with what they regard as a direct threat to Russia’s future. Mr Putin may have misjudged Russia’s military capabilities, the effectiveness of the Ukrainian resistance and the scope and speed of the Western response, but one should never underestimate how ruthless great powers can be when they believe they are in dire straits. America and its allies, however, are doubling down, hoping to inflict a humiliating defeat on Mr Putin and to maybe even trigger his removal. They are increasing aid to Ukraine while using economic sanctions to inflict massive punishment on Russia, a step that Putin now sees as “akin to a declaration of war”.

America and its allies may be able to prevent a Russian victory in Ukraine, but the country will be gravely damaged, if not dismembered. Moreover, there is a serious threat of escalation beyond Ukraine, not to mention the danger of nuclear war. If the West not only thwarts Moscow on Ukraine’s battlefields, but also does serious, lasting damage to Russia’s economy, it is in effect pushing a great power to the brink. Mr Putin might then turn to nuclear weapons.

At this point it is impossible to know the terms on which this conflict will be settled. But, if we do not understand its deep cause, we will be unable to end it before Ukraine is wrecked and nato ends up in a war with Russia. ■

John J. Mearsheimer is the R. Wendell Harrison Distinguished Service Professor of Political Science at the University of Chicago.


This is something that memebers with abit of brains have been saying here but the americans and their cheerleaders say otherwise. Its always been the US that wanted this war to happen.
 
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Then why did Russia not create a successor to the Warsaw Pact to counter NATO?

A country must PETITION for NATO membership. Now, you can argue that NATO made offhanded remarks that hinted at membership and that would constitute 'expansion'. But that does not negate the fact that a country must ask for membership and that NATO can refuse. So why did Russia not create a successor to the Warsaw Pact to counter NATO?


Why are Americans talking about Ukrainian internal politics like this?


For your listening and reading pleasure.

And most of all, education.

@Kambojaric
 
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Historically Indians are ardent supporters of Russia and even now our Nation will try to help as small as we can do to Russia but as an individual I can say that it was not the best thing to do by Russia. Not only they are seeing demonstrations against it in Russia but no Nations has a right to attack other country just because he wanted to join another bloc. It is Russian mistake that they let out Ukraine out of its influence but how can they influence a country with its own broken currency ? I did not even heard about Zelensky before the start of the war. He might be a comedian but the way he acted during the whole scenario shows he has man of steels whereas he was asked twice to be evacuated. He consolidated Ukrainians as one people and that's what Russia did not expect. I can feel the pain of Ukrainians dying at the hands of Russia, my hearts goes out to Women,Kids and old people who has been forced to leave their country, their home and they have lost everything. Putin not only killed Ukrainians but he killed humanity as well. One should give pain to other which other can be able to withhold. Whatever we are seeing in Ukraine are the will power of common Ukrainian who does not accept the hegemony of Russia and are ready to die defending their land rather than living the life of a slave under Russia occupation.

India is definitely in Russian camp despite now switching to the US military equipment.

From my 2 sources with diplomats, and engineering contractors, Russians been trying to wrestle Pakistan from the US, and China axis for at least 3 years since Modi made his first solid overtures to the West.

Russians are meeting Pakistani elites, and I don't know what they are promising you.


Russia has no real use for Pakistan. The one, and only reason thing they want from you is to spook India, and keep it in Russian camp.

I cannot wrap my head around in just what way they can bring Russian gas to Pakistan physically, and how can they make it cheaper than energy from the gulf, which is already coming super cheap.

For coming future Pakistan needs to develop its own gas, your teratons of unexploited coal reserves, TAPI, and regularise Iranian energy supplies (which despite official denial, are very evident on satellite photos of huge lines of tankers loaded with Iranian fuel on the border)
 
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This thread from the ICRC in Ukraine is worth reading for anyone gleefully cheering the conflict on either side of the divide. People running out of life saving medicine, 3/4 hours of generator fuel remaining, food running out, water running out, 65 people trapped in a basement!

Well. That is how life of human beings have been, since thousands of years, when they started living in form of communities. Since those immemorial time till date, we have failed to devise appropriate mechanisms, by which we can settle our trans-community and trans-state disputes in an amicable and peaceful manner, on the principle of justice and fair play. That is our collective main ailment. No escape in sight.
 
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You are mature and better than this, my friend. This was in poor taste.
He is not Chinese, he should not carry Chinese flag.

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I made mistake. He uses China as location, not nationality.
 
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well soldier boy. I dont know what army you have served in. But there are very few soldiers who enjoy some officer sitting comfortably behind his desk and send them on dangerous missions.

infact many over ambitious american field seargants were "fragged" in vietnam . (had a grenade thrown into their tent at night) from disgruntled soldiers who didnt want to put their lives on the line on dangerous missions to advance that guys career. Let alone desk jockeys sitting in air conditioned rooms..

It is well documented that Russian officers are taking a front line role. regardless of your opinion of the matter. I can assure you with 100% certainty that the fatalities are not because ukies overran russian positions and killed the general in his office. that is laughable.

The reason the US can get away with it. Is because they sit an ocean away. with mexico/canada being their border neighbours. And they can afford to pick and choose their battles at the exact time they want. And overwhelm a weak enemy with superior resources.

The fact that Russians generals are in the front line ...shows that the whole thing is crumbling

And Why do you give these killers such attention, feels almost like a eulogy to your great Russian leaders. Gerasimov was overseeing the most vile human rights abuses imaginable in Syria and Chechnya. It's good to rid the World of types like him, let's forget him as quickly as possible.

are we sure they aren't getting shot by their own side for failure.
 
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Find myself in agreement with Meirsheimer. My only objection would be the use of the "West". It seems that France, Germany and other European countries had enough sense to foresee what further eastward expansion would entail. It's the reckless and arrogant push from the US that caused this mess. Merkel, Sarkozy knew European history and the balance of power order.

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There is no 'West' as people often used the term when it comes to geopolitics. Just a few hundreds giant businesses, in-bed media, and paid-for politicians working together in America under various guises and governments. And war is big business in America. Untold billions gets transferred to some hands. Europeans have to get along. America carries big sticks and big bucks and can even afford to lose what may happen thousands of miles from its shores. Even the two Great Wars didn't affect America's mainland much--on the contrary, propelled America's rise.
As I said above, if today America decides to stop this war even after offering some concessions to Russia then all the Zelenskys and all the Western leaders and media will forget about the war and democracy and freedom for Ukraine blah blah. There is no Western narrative here except that of the vested interests in Washington DC.

This may be the first war in human history where humanity is under grave threat from what a losing side might do....
 
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When and by whom a claim of "two days" was made? I may have missed it, help me to the genuine source of Two-Day claim. Or else it's a false claim.



But I did not miss the "short war" claim by US about Iraq, that officially lasted almost 9 years and from Iraqi perspective, war has yet not ended, it's still an ongoing struggle:

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Feb 7, 2003: Rumsfeld ups war length estimate: “It could last…six days, six weeks. I doubt six months.
Nov 14, 2002: Rumsfeld handicaps war length: “Five days or five weeks or five months, but it certainly isn’t going to last any longer than that.

Rumsfeld: It Would Be A Short War​

Link#1 = https://www.cbsnews.com/news/rumsfeld-it-would-be-a-short-war/
Link#2 = https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/6/30/abuse-and-torture-us-reacts-to-donald-rumsfelds-death



So by applying the rule of equality, US being more advanced than Rus and that 30+ NATO countries were not backing Iraq like they do Ukraine, I'd give Rus more than 9 years before saying that they performed any poorer than US/NATO.
 
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I am happy Russian equipment is being destroyed left right and centre and their armoured thrust was a complete failure.

Would be wise for the Indians to learn a lesson or two and drop their cold start fallacies. Ukraine doesn’t have nukes either, Pakistan does:)
 
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