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Russia-Ukraine War - News and Developments PART 2

jhungary said:
What Ukrainian Weapon??

Name me one Ukrainian made weapon being used in this war?? Beside small arms.

And lol, do you not think if the west can supply Ukraine with that much weaponry, they can't supply them with fuel to operate those equipment with?? Oh, I am just sending you those tanks, IFV and Self Propelled Artillery, you need to get your own fuel......

I am not sure it will work if you put Ukrainian fuel in the truck tank of the HIMARS.
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some anti-ship missiles ?
do you think the remaining Ukrainian air-force work without maintenance .what missile they use?
what about those Buks and S-300 they have , what about their tanks ?
 
jhungary said:
You don't need fuel for Stugna-P, it's not a rocket, by the way, that's Belarussian Missile, it's based on Skif. Not Ukrainian.

BTR-4 is not a light tank, it's a IFV
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You need at least a pickup truck to move Stugna-P around. I'm only 38 and I tried walking outside for 2 hours and it's a no go. Your legs would break and your feet would break if you tried walking around carrying a Stugna-P. It just won't work.
 
Hack-Hook said:
some anti-ship missiles ?
do you think the remaining Ukrainian air-force work without maintenance .what missile they use?
what about those Buks and S-300 they have , what about their tanks ?
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Do you think Air Force repair depot hooked up on civilian grid?

You are talking about industry supporting the military, not the military itself, industry don't go fix Ukrainian SU-27 themselves, they produce parts that the mechanic used to fix the Su-27. And those parts CAN and DID come from the west, namely Bulgaria and Poland with their used Mig

You are talking about fuel for Buks and S-300, again, do you think country like Greece (which operate S-300) cannot supply soviet grade fuel to operate those weapon system?? You say that like a few fuel truck a day into Ukraine is so hard it can never be done....

Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen said:
You need at least a pickup truck to move Stugna-P around. I'm only 38 and I tried walking outside for 2 hours and it's a no go. Your legs would break and your feet would break if you tried walking around carrying a Stugna-P. It just won't work.
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Are you for real?

A tank for pickup truck generally last 700 (From the oldest of the old truck that eat fuel like crazy)-1500km, if you fuel it in Poland, you can travel to and from the other end of Ukraine with fuel to spare. Not to mention it's not hard at all to have fuel truck come from Poland or Romania into Ukraine. It's not like pickup truck in Ukraine can only use fuel produced by Ukraine........
 
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jhungary said:
You are talking about industry supporting the military, not the military itself, industry don't go fix Ukrainian SU-27 themselves, they produce parts that the mechanic used to fix the Su-27. And those parts CAN and DID come from the west, namely Bulgaria and Poland with their used Mig

You are talking about fuel for Buks and S-300, again, do you think country like Greece (which operate S-300) cannot supply soviet grade fuel to operate those weapon system?? You say that like a few fuel truck a day into Ukraine is so hard it can never be done....
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you think Ukraine military is completely based on Europe donation . well you are wrong on that
did Poland or Bulgaria had su-27 , you think how much spare they had in their inventory ?
how much Greece helped Ukraine ? what was their help exactly?
 
Hack-Hook said:
never fielded and used in war

never fielded and used in war
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So? Does that make it not the first UCAV?

Does that make it less innovative? If a UCAV isn't used in a war it isn't innovative, but when Iran strapped some RPG rounds on a drone 40 years later and used it in a war to no effect is innovative?
 
Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen said:
You need at least a pickup truck to move Stugna-P around. I'm only 38 and I tried walking outside for 2 hours and it's a no go. Your legs would break and your feet would break if you tried walking around carrying a Stugna-P. It just won't work.
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Lol, in the military you often walk with 50kg for tens of kilometers and even more than that in operation. Missile systems are carried dissaseembled, a man usually carries the missiles (often called here the suicide bomber role/death role, lol), another guy carries the tripod, third guy carries the tube, optics and computer.
 
jhungary said:
Shutting down the Powergrid "PERMENANTLY" may have work, otherwise it's more or less inconvenience than actual need. And do you even think the Military of Ukraine was hooked up on the same Powergrid? LOL, maybe in Iran they did, I have been to Ukraine in April, I can tell you that they don't. Actually, I have been to many Military installation, US, UK, Germany, even Iraq, they have a different grid than Civilian, and most military are all-day all-weather force anyway, which mean even if the entire Powergrid system was down, it does not hamper the force ability to conduct operation. Which mean shutting down the civilian grid for 3 days does not do anything for the military, all you did is to make the poor soul in Kyiv or Lviv can't download the latest Netflix episode from the internet.

And dude, Ukraine is at war, a war that they didn't ask for, do you think bombing them will zap their morale?? If so they would have already given up the fight already, you say it like Russia did not target civilian infrastructure before September. What make them fight is to protect their homeland, and what Russia is doing is to try and destroy it, in fact, what Russia is doing is fanning the hate in Ukraine, more Ukrainian join the fight, they just reported that they have recruited twice as many as new recruit than previous 6 months and they aren't short of manpower, all thanks to this. And It didn't work on the Londoner back in WW2, what make you think it work in Ukraine now?

Again, you want to win a war, that can only be done by killing your enemy fighting men, not killing civilian, if you don't understand that principal of war and think it would have made a different, then all I can say is you are extremely naive. You want to know how to zap Ukrainian morale? Look at what the Ukrainian done to the Russian. Battlefield loses zap both strength and morale of the enemy force, you don't demoralise your enemy by hitting their civilian, you do that by denying their attack and counter-attacking them, you destroy their tempo, then morale will follow, that's why Russian force morale is rock bottom now, how many Russian civilian has been killed by the Ukrainian? How many Russian City got plunged into darkness by Ukrainian missile strike??. That's warfighting 101.
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please don't waste your time on flying tuk tuk fanbois.
 

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