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Russia-Ukraine War - News and Developments PART 2

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mike2000 is back said:
To be honest, I believe it's actually a good thing for Europe in the long run. I never understood why European countries got so complacent relying on Russia for their critical energy needs and power(as they say complacency leads to laziness and makes people taje things for granted). I know its cheaper to get them from Russia, but we should have long also considered the fact that Russia is not western ally and has never been one, so things were bound to go south whenever there is a conflict of interets between both sides. It was silly to totally rely on Russia and make it the biggest energy supplier for European countries.
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Going out on a limb here...

I was active duty when the Berlin Wall fell and later when the SU broke apart. In our main squadron breakroom where officers and enlisted mingle, we watched Berliners climbed on the Wall, partied, cried, sang, and some hammered away at the Wall for souvenirs of an era. I played tourist in East Berlin once and saw the difference between the two sides and I wished I was there to share in the celebration. Anyway...Just about everyone in the room cheered and some declared the Cold War over. There was a senior master named Dorr who was a second generation German emigre and he said he can retire happy. Sure, I was happy for the Germans but I was too cynical about Russia. Of everyone in the room, I was the lone dissenter.

I think the MAIN reason why the Euros were so willing to trust Russia is because overall, everyone was tired of the Cold War. The constant vigilance of the people from leaders all the way down to the ordinary townsfolk, the expenditure of some of the nation's finance towards defense, the nearly weekly dour news about arms reduction negotiations, and so on and on. I easily extrapolated the release of tension tenor of our breakroom to how nations must have felt, and I do not blame them one bit. With the Soviet Union, Russia was geopolitically enormous, so everyone, from Europe to Asia to the Americas, convinced themselves that a geopolitically smaller Russia must also mean a commensurate weaker power. What is happening in Europe today should make it clear that the Cold War is NOT over. The weapons actually multiplied from nuclear warheads to economics to now -- energy. They multiplied because the trust, and even the faith, multiplied. Now, we have to pay to consequences of that misplaced trust. You are correct about the pain that it must be suffered. Like it or not, the vigilance about Russia, and China for that matter, must return.

 
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gambit said:
Going out on a limb here...

I was active duty when the Berlin Wall fell and later when the SU broke apart. In our main squadron breakroom where officers and enlisted mingle, we watched Berliners climbed on the Wall, partied, cried, sang, and some hammered away at the Wall for souvenirs of an era. I played tourist in East Berlin once and saw the difference between the two sides and I wished I was there to share in the celebration. Anyway...Just about everyone in the room cheered and some declared the Cold War over. There was a senior master named Dorr who was a second generation German emigre and he said he can retire happy. Sure, I was happy for the Germans but I was too cynical about Russia. Of everyone in the room, I was the lone dissenter.

I think the MAIN reason why the Euros were so willing to trust Russia is because overall, everyone was tired of the Cold War. The constant vigilance of the people from leaders all the way down to the ordinary townsfolk, the expenditure of some of the nation's finance towards defense, the nearly weekly dour news about arms reduction negotiations, and so on and on. I easily extrapolated the release of tension tenor of our breakroom to how nations must have felt, and I do not blame them one bit. With the Soviet Union, Russia was geopolitically enormous, so everyone, from Europe to Asia to the Americas, convinced themselves that a geopolitically smaller Russia must also mean a commensurate weaker power. What is happening in Europe today should make it clear that the Cold War is NOT over. The weapons actually multiplied from nuclear warheads to economics to now -- energy. They multiplied because the trust, and even the faith, multiplied. Now, we have to pay to consequences of that misplaced trust. You are correct about the pain that it must be suffered. Like it or not, the vigilance about Russia, and China for that matter, must return.
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East Germany had better living standard than West Germany. In East Germany life was laid back and relaxed because of socialism. In Germany today life is difficult and stressful, and birth rate is low and population is aging and declining.

Take a look at the living standard of the US and China. It is not even close. The US living standard is third world compared to China where socialism is rampant.
 
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Robin rone said:
if Russians used tactical nukes what America do is force all others to do more sanctions and do isolation on Russians they cant do any kinetic attack on Russia if USA directly attack Russia then its start of world war 3, do you really think after hitting Russian targets Russia will sit there and suck up their looses ?
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There are no other way but to response if Russia use tactical nuke, because if US /NATO did not intervene, that will basically give Russia blanch carte to either use or threaten nuke the next time they want something. Russia will say "Oh, give me Latvia or I will use nuke, and I am not bluffing" Worse yet, what if they use nuke first like they say they will do in Ukraine? Would you not react then?

If Russia use nuke in Ukraine, the most appropriate response is to take out any Russian target in Ukraine, end the war so there are no reason for nuke to fly, that's the most appropriate and direct response the US and NATO can give.

You can't allow a tactical nuke to be use an no solid response, whether or not Russia want to take it to the next level is their business, but a conventional response is warranted.

Al Mahdi said:
In this Dunya you have to look behind the curtain of satan. All is an illusion. the finest scientists in the world say this is an HOLOGRAPHIC UNIVERSE made upon strings and Quantum particles. The will of Allah is manifest in this dunya. Our beloved Prophet Hz. Muhammad Peace be upon his soul said "If shoeless beduins build high buildings in the desert, than you know JUDGEMENT DAY is near." He said "If women are cloted but still naked than know JUDGEMENT DAY is near"

OIP.9MkUgi-nEitmViO_d5tOrwHaFj

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What does this have anything to do with Ukraine and Russian war? Neither of which were Islamic nor muslim majority....

If they want their girls to fight in their underwear, that's their choice.......
 
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F-22Raptor said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1574446738915872768

Billions more in military aid is coming to Ukraine
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Russia has transitioned to state of war and war economy. Even if the US spends billions every month, it's only a drop in the bucket compared to Russia's production rate. With such a low production rate, the US will lose this war just like the US lost in Vietnam and Afghanistan. The moral of the story is. Don't bring a knife to a gun fight.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1574448093763932161

https://twitter.com/x/status/1574447253208670208

https://twitter.com/x/status/1574432760609255424

https://twitter.com/x/status/1574431783759888386

https://twitter.com/x/status/1574450285908459522
 
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Wow, Russia was fast, they had already put the newly mobilised recruit in the frontline with less than 1 week of training....

www.dailymail.co.uk

Russian conscripts with no training 'are on the frontlines in Ukraine'

Russia is using newly-conscripted men with no training to plug holes in frontline units which have been mauled in more than seven months of fighting in Ukraine, Kyiv's generals have said.
www.dailymail.co.uk www.dailymail.co.uk

Probably the training schedule are as follow

Day 1 - How to fire a Rifle
Day 2 - How to roll up in a ball
Day 3 - How to surrender and not get shot
Day 4 - Why are you still here? You should be either surrendered or dead by now...

Al Mahdi said:
Cant you see it? Cant you sense it? YOU are just an ILLUSION of seytan. Your name is not in the book of life with the holy lamb. Your doings (deeds) are in VAIN.
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Yes, I am satan, not the dude who nuke all these people. They are saint and they should get away with their crime, right?

Exactly how old are you??
 
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https://twitter.com/x/status/1574443148448878593

jhungary said:
Wow, Russia was fast, they had already put the newly mobilised recruit in the frontline with less than 1 week of training....
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The longer the war, the better for Russia. Next year Ukraine's population falls to 40 million (minus Crimea). Back to 1940 level. The man power disparity grows with time.

www.worldometers.info

Ukraine Population (2024) - Worldometer

Population of Ukraine: current, historical, and projected population, growth rate, immigration, median age, total fertility rate (TFR), population density, urbanization, urban population, country's share of world population, and global rank. Data tables, maps, charts, and live population clock
www.worldometers.info www.worldometers.info
 
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