jhungary
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Dude, in case you are too dumb to see, UKRAINE MEAN NOTHING TO NATO.So mighty NATO not intervening to avoid WW3 is all good but if russia does the same, not directly attack NATO, that makes russia a pxssy???
Both russia and US have lost to proxies (afd and vietnam). US have the additional honor of losing to taliban in Afghanistan who were not supported by any major power lolz.
NATO intentionally dangle Ukraine in front of Sweden and Finland - THE COUNTRIES NATO WANTED. To teach them a lesson. See how much Russian "respect" their "Brothers" and if you don't join NATO, you are next. NATO don't care shit about Ukraine, if they do, they would have sent a more comprehensive package to Ukraine, 16 HIMARS? What can 16 HIMARS do?
And lol, you have to be stupid to compare US war in Afghanistan and Vietnam, first of all, both countries were 10,000 miles aways from US and Europe, Ukraine and Afghanistan were both next to Russia. Combat Power decrease with distant because it take longer and more resource to support a war further away from you. I would very much like to see how Russia would fare in a war outside their border not next to.
Secondly, both time US lost interest and leave, Both Vietnam and Taliban did not defeat US/NATO in military term, unless you are talking about being forced to live in a cave for 10 (in Vietnam) and 20 years (in Afghanistan) and loses over 100,000 men is "winning" in military term.
What is wrong with your reasoning? With time new technologies become cheap, same as tech on F 16 is affordable, like wise development in other technologies that can upgrade manpads and ATGMs also become affordable.
I am asking you, what upgrade can be perform to Manpad and ATGM?
You said better IR seekers, better warheads, better optics, better software, better electronics. That's the entire system, and if you do upgrade all of them, that thing will not be Stinger and Javelin
And finally, any kind of upgrade will only push the value up, that's why a 1970 era F-16A block 12 cost around 37 millions dollar while a 2010 F16 Block 70 cost around 85 million. Again, this may work in a multi million fighter jet, it won't work on a $50,000 missile system.....
You fought against Taliban equipped with Aks, some old Snipers and few RPGs, first tell me how it was fighting them?
Secondly imagine you going in blackhawk or Chinook and are hit by SAM out of nowhere, also imagine you sitting in humvee, or MRAP and suddenly are hit by ATGM from a mountain that goes through the armour and boom.
You say that like Taliban had not shot at us with Stinger or other Manpads.......They did, and the loss are minimal.
And only moron will try to shoot a Humvee with ATGM.....It's lucky if you can hit the dust trail........And you would have been spotted by the Humvee or the Helicopter flying overhead a mile away, without scrub, vegetation or building, where are you going to hide to lay an ambush like that? Under a rock??
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