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Russia To Nudge India Toward Buying BMP-3s

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Russia is hoping to persuade India to shelve its $10 billion homemade Futuristic Infantry Combat Vehicle (FICV) project and instead buy Russian BMP-3 vehicles, according to an Indian Defence Ministry source.

Russia has offered to transfer BMP-3 combat vehicle technology to India if India cancels the FICV project, which has yet to take off four years after it was conceived. Russian President Vladimir Putin will likely make the offer during summit talks with Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh on Dec. 24, the source added.

An Indian Army officer said buying BMP-3s on a license-production basis would make better sense because the FICV likely won’t be inducted in the next 10 years. In the meantime, India’s existing Russian-made infantry combat vehicles — BMP-1s and -2s — need upgrades, he said.

Putin was scheduled to visit New Delhi in November, but the visit was postponed. While no official reason was given, sources in the Indian Foreign Ministry said Moscow was reacting to a delay in the implementation of the Indo-Russian nuclear project in southern India’s Tamil Nadu state. In addition, the Russians want a greater share of the Indian defense market, which is shifting to the U.S. and other Western nations.

Under the FICV project, India will spend $10 billion to produce 2,600 vehicles to replace the older BMPs. The project falls into the “Make India” category, in which only domestic automobile companies can compete. The shortlisted company or consortium will develop the FICV prototype while the government funds nearly 80 percent of development costs.

The FICV project was approved nearly four years ago. Since then, domestic Mahindra Defence Systems has partnered with BAE Systems; Larsen & Toubro is also working on overseas partnerships. Tata Motors is also attempting to tie up with overseas companies after its deal with Rheinmetall stalled following India’s blacklisting of the German company’s Swiss subsidiary. State-owned Ordnance Factory Board is also in the race.

While Russia has partnered with India on several joint development projects — and moved away from mere “Buy and Make” weapons relations — India has had issues with complete technology transfer from Russia and has often complained about after-sales support, especially on spares and their prices. India and Russia are jointly producing the supersonic BrahMos anti-ship cruise missile and are under contract to jointly produce fifth-generation fighters and multirole transport aircraft. Russia has yet to transfer full technology of its T-90 tanks, which are license-produced here, another Indian Army officer said.

India’s MoD is also struggling to resolve timely supply of spares for Sukhoi and MiG-29 aircraft, Smerch multibarrel rocket systems, and upgrades to Kilo-class submarines and a variety of Russian air defense systems.

Indian defense forces have a large inventory of former Soviet and Russian weaponry, which they want to replace or upgrade soon. It is estimated that this market is worth more than $30 billion. And while Russia wants India to upgrade this inventory, the users — the Indian Army, Air Force and Navy — want to replace the weaponry with supplies from the U.S. and other Western nations.


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Just buy them, a bit competition will kick some ***** at DRDO
 
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Sounds good to me. I doubt DRDO can do any better than that in TIME. So it's better if we are getting full TOT and NOT ONLY licence produce.
 
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Russian doing its best , They know that Indian Pvt. Company will build better Product and after that many more project will be given to Indian company Pvt. Company ,

Russian successfully scuttled Arjun Project so that India buy Unreliable Russian T-90 Tanks, No army complained failure of T-90 system in Rajasthan. Russian paid IA brass to keep Arjun away.
 
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Would be better to tie up with the Russians than to wait for DRDO to come up with something.
 
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Russian doing its best , They know that Indian Pvt. Company will build better Product and after that many more project will be given to Indian company Pvt. Company ,

Russian successfully scuttled Arjun Project so that India buy Unreliable Russian T-90 Tanks, No army complained failure of T-90 system in Rajasthan. Russian paid IA brass to keep Arjun away.

quite a unproven statement
 
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Russian doing its best , They know that Indian Pvt. Company will build better Product and after that many more project will be given to Indian company Pvt. Company ,

Russian successfully scuttled Arjun Project so that India buy Unreliable Russian T-90 Tanks, No army complained failure of T-90 system in Rajasthan. Russian paid IA brass to keep Arjun away.

We can't say that the private sector will do any better than the Russians, Russians are into building capable weapon systems for decades now, IA already operates the BMP-1 & 2 systems of Russia & FICV was to replace them, which will ofcourse take time for development, till than IA cannot sit idle, thus we can induct BMP-3 (not fulfilling the complete demand, but some % of that) & simultaneously carry out development of FICV for gaining expertise. Anyways, private sector themselves are tieing up with the foreign arms manufacturers like BAE which will supply the tech. so one way or the other it will only be the LICENSE PRODUCTION of the systems.
 
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i have seen one FICV model in TATA. its better that we give one chance to develop one by the privet sector Indian company.

other option can be JV between Russian & Indian companies (No PSu's please) & make Russia to buy considerable quantity. also Russia must allow India to export it to friendly countries unrestricted.
 
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BMP-3 is among the best ICVs in the world,but we have no requirement atm.There are higher priorities such as artillery,helicopters and infantry weapons upgrade plus modernization of tank fleet.With limited budget we can't do everything at once.
 
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i have seen one FICV model in TATA. its better that we give one chance to develop one by the privet sector Indian company.

other option can be JV between Russian & Indian companies (No PSu's please) & make Russia to buy considerable quantity. also Russia must allow India to export it to friendly countries unrestricted.

And how long will it take to develop and test and induct a IFV from a company that has never produced one???
Like I said, lets give those DRDO people a bit tough competition, if they dont produce in time and not with the required quality its their problem if they dont get any orders.

BMP-3 is among the best ICVs in the world,but we have no requirement atm.There are higher priorities such as artillery,helicopters and infantry weapons upgrade plus modernization of tank fleet.With limited budget we can't do everything at once.


Well we are in the process of buying M777 howitzers, developing an indigenous version of the Bofors, the 197 light helo tender is still going, we are already testing new ARs and we are likely to buy new T90 MS tanks.... so I guess its time that the Mechanized Infantry gets a piece from the cake as well ;)
 
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And what about the 3000 more artillery guns,and infantry weapons and ATGMs for a 1.1 million army ?Is the dough going to come from air?For now i think bmp-2 sarath is ok.
 
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No matter what if such statements are unproven, its is imperative to help our industry otherwise we will be slaves to foreign nations forever regarding foreign policy. If we did that, we must use such tech and incorporate the best features to our own parallel program but the costs of both programs would be prohibitive. Time to really analyze this. Time to increase R&D and build better educational infrastructure.
 
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BMP-3 is among the best ICVs in the world.

Not really, infact we could easily take DRDOs version instead too, but we know compared especially to western types, these are very modest vehicles, lightly armoured and not very useful in urban terrain. The funny thing is, that even Russia is looking for European armoured vehicles for their own forces, instead of going with their own older designs.
 
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Not really, infact we could easily take DRDOs version instead too, but we know compared especially to western types, these are very modest vehicles, lightly armoured and not very useful in urban terrain. The funny thing is, that even Russia is looking for European armoured vehicles for their own forces, instead of going with their own older designs.

Exactly their Kurganmashzavod Plants are idle as of now because of no new orders placed for BMP-2's and BMP-3's.The Russians themselves want to go for a new generation of universal AFV's like the Boomerang, the Kurganets and the Armata or if that doesn't suffice going for a foreign APC like the VBM Freccia and GTK Boxer instead of buying more BMP-2's and BMP-3's.

As for the BMP-3, I believe you haven't seen the troop compartment it's claustrophobic to say the least and mechanized infantry wouldn't be able to carry all their gear.I hear the Emiraties to remedy this problem are going for a variant of the BMP-3 with the engine mounted front which would provide seating for 6 troops but offer more internal space and be more comfortable.This upgrade is being offered by IWS of Germany.

And this is what the BMP-3 troop compartment looks like.

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