Russia says it will deliver S-400 systems in 5 years

[xyxmt]

I sincerely hope all the intellects commenting here understand that 2025 is for the complete delivery and not for the first system. Come on !!!

true that, every will be delivered this year but the "Push" button will come in 2025

 

[j20611]

You should show them your bobs and vagene to deliver faster

 

[ARMalik]

You should show them your bobs and vagene to deliver faster

If the indians do this, the entire Russian race might die from 'Severe Ugliness Attack'.

 

[hyperman]

Wow, when I joined this forum, I thought it was going to be serious analysis, but its silly hyper nationalist clowns throwing all sorts of garbage at each other.

 

[serenity]

Bring Harmony is the typical Fa Lun Gong activist who has almost like holy war announced against CCP. Their propaganda include Shen Yun Dance cooperation, China Uncensored youtube channel, and many different NGOs based in USA or Canada which has ties with CIA and NSA and inside Hong Kong too.

These groups and people are a cancer to society. They believe ridiculous things just read about truth of Fa Lun Gong. Do not believe their bullshit. If CCP does 1 wrong thing in 100 right things they will only talk about that 1 wrong thing and talk like it is 1000 wrongs and 0 rights. The worst kind of human being. Also sorry I will not perform surgery on my own children or do any of those bullshit things your fake god Mr. Li Hongzhi says. I think he is scammer. I don't believe he is next Jesus.

Anything Bring Harmony posts is always about China and anti-CCP. Always give shit excuse and distorted reasons. Even with this issue he finds way to badmouth Russia and then present blame on Chinese... maybe it is Chinese pressure hahaha. You see?

Wow, when I joined this forum, I thought it was going to be serious analysis, but its silly hyper nationalist clowns throwing all sorts of garbage at each other.

Yes this forum is very nationalistic but you can become reactionary like me and join in I guess. Most good and reasonable people eventually leave. Behind just left horrible people like us.

 

[Mighty Lion]

Great news.
First S400 regiment delivery will begin in August 2020 and will be completed by July 2021.
I think it will be deployed in Punjab.

2nd regiment delivery complete by Jul 2022.

Sp India will be receiving 1 S400 regiment every year.

 

[Tumba]

Great news.
First S400 regiment delivery will begin in August 2020 and will be completed by July 2021.
I think it will be deployed in Punjab.

2nd regiment delivery complete by Jul 2022.

Sp India will be receiving 1 S400 regiment every year.

First two S-400 deliveries are for Indian Air Force and both of these will be deployed in hot zones... First one will be spread out in northern region and
Second one in north eastern region...
Army systems 3 of them will compliment these two and western region.

S-400 is customised for India, short range launchers are mostly skipped seems like India will try to link Akash into the S-400 network after MTRC membership India will get the longest range missile also thats one advantage Indian system will have over Chinese one.
One S-400 system will be able to fire on 36 target at once ... 2 missiles per target is standard in Soviet style Air counters ...

that makes it one mean machine for any Air aggression against India... only counter against new SAM systems are hypersonic cruise missiles a BM even with 15 Mach can be encountered without a MARV warhead

Pretty sure this version is somewhat lower capabilities than Russian deployed one with elements of S-500 being integrated

 

[Nityam]

Its called diplomacy. It is not supposed to make one single sense. So that each one can be happy with his or her interpretation of truth.

Real news is the action. If S-400 will be delivered by 2025, then India's bet on the system backfired. They went through all the trouble of displeasing USA, handing out 850 millions and setting up channels to bypass SWIFT which makes them vulnerable to be sanctioned or examined under FATF. All for a system which is not going to show up any time soon. Not to mention this is the first sign of delay. I bet India is not going to get it even till 2035. Worst, Indian government can change and new government will dump the deal with partial payments done and India gets nothing at all. Those 850 millions go down the drain.

Honestly, India lost the bargain with Russia. Should be stayed with proven weapons from european or north american partners. Russia duped them big time.

Russia is in NO Position to "dupe" India. In fact Russia is keen to further strengthen strategic relationship with India to counter chinese pressure.

The delivery dates could be due to various factors.
1. More upgrades as demanded by Indian side
2. More details of ToT demanded by India
3. Delay as negotiation tactic to deal with both US and Russia
4. Due to maturing of indigenous Anti Missile technology in India.

First two S-400 deliveries are for Indian Air Force and both of these will be deployed in hot zones... First one will be spread out in northern region and
Second one in north eastern region...
Army systems 3 of them will compliment these two and western region.

S-400 is customised for India, short range launchers are mostly skipped seems like India will try to link Akash into the S-400 network after MTRC membership India will get the longest range missile also thats one advantage Indian system will have over Chinese one.
One S-400 system will be able to fire on 36 target at once ... 2 missiles per target is standard in Soviet style Air counters ...

that makes it one mean machine for any Air aggression against India... only counter against new SAM systems are hypersonic cruise missiles a BM even with 15 Mach can be encountered without a MARV warhead

Pretty sure this version is somewhat lower capabilities than Russian deployed one with elements of S-500 being integrated

The S-400 will be integrated with not only Akash, but also with the newly developed Quick Reaction SAM (QR-SAM) which has completed development trials and has now gone into production

and the indigenous ABM that is now in production.

Delhi for example will have an 5 layered ABM protection including the US National Advanced Surface to Air Missile System-II (NASAMS-II)

 

[Umair Nawaz]

https://www.hindustantimes.com/indi...-in-5-years/story-TucCcAeCve8Dn7JI7KIFZK.html

At a briefing at the Russian embassy, ambassador Nikolay Kudashev described New Delhi’s actions in Jammu and Kashmir as an internal matter, and said the Kashmir issue should be handled bilaterally by India and Pakistan instead of being taken up at the UN Security Council.

Russia will deliver the five S-400 air defence systems ordered by India under a $5.4-billion deal by 2025 and the two sides are creating a comprehensive system of payments insulated from US sanctions, Russian diplomats said on Friday.

At a briefing at the Russian embassy, ambassador Nikolay Kudashev described New Delhi’s actions in Jammu and Kashmir as an internal matter, and said the Kashmir issue should be handled bilaterally by India and Pakistan instead of being taken up at the UN Security Council.

Roman Babushkin, the deputy chief of mission, said production of the S-400 systems for India has started. “We are expecting the deliveries to be completed by 2025,” he said.

India’s armed forces will soon receive the first batch of 5,000 Kalashnikov assault rifles made in India, and the two sides are close to signing a contract for 200 Kamov Ka-226 helicopters, under which 60 will be supplied by Russia and the rest made in India, Babushkin added.

As reported by HT, India last year made the first payment of $850 million for the S-400 systems through a special mechanism aimed at averting sanctions under the Countering America’s Adversaries Through Sanctions Act (CAATSA) of the US.

A senior US State Department official said on January 8 that India won’t receive a blanket waiver for the S-400 deal signed in 2018. Under CAATSA, countries making purchases worth more than $15 million from Russia’s state-owned defence firm could be subject to sanctions, though the US president has the authority to issue a waiver.

Kudashev described the system created by Russia and India to protect deals from US sanctions as a “work in progress”. The sanctions triggered by payments have complicated trade and investment, he said.

“[The two sides] are developing inter-bank cooperation, and enhancing and strengthening the position of national currencies in their trade and investment cooperation. They are developing and testing the means of payments that are an alternative to the SWIFT system, which became one of the instruments for sanctions,” he said.

The two sides are considering other ways to “clear the way for growing cooperation in many spheres, be it military, energy and space”, he added.

Asked about China’s move to discuss the Kashmir issue at the UN Security Council, Kudashev said: “We’ve never been in favour of bringing this issue into the UN agenda because, in our take, this is strictly a bilateral matter for India and Pakistan to discuss on the basis of the Simla Agreement and Lahore Declaration. This is our continuous position and it’s well known.”

Replying to another question on whether he wished to visit Kashmir to assess the ground situation, Kudashev said he hadn’t joined other envoys on a recent trip to the region as he hadn’t been invited.

“Quite frankly, I do not feel there is a reason for me to travel [to Kashmir]. Your decisions, as far as Jammu and Kashmir is concerned, this is your internal matter, belonging to the constitutional space of India,” he said.

Kudashev echoed Russian foreign minister Sergey Lavrov’s criticism of the US-backed concept of the Indo-Pacific, saying it was divisive and omitted China and Russia. He acknowledged India’s position on the Indo-Pacific wasn’t aimed at containing anybody.

“I would say quite frankly that we expressed to India, time and again, our concern about the American strategies [and] the Quad. As far as I understand, our concerns are taken into consideration and our dialogue on these issues is continuing,” he said.

Kudashev also said external affairs minister S Jaishankar will visit Russia from March 22-23 to attend a meeting of the Russia-Indian-China trilateral.

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Classic Russia! India paid 850 million dollars and will not even get a single S-400. In 2025, S-400 will be useless. China would have duplicated it and made it obsolete. Most likely Chinese pressure at work. India should have dumped Russia and dump them hard. They are not a reliable supplier. In the past it was that carrier, right?

Thing are now permanently different post operation swift retort of 27 feb. 2019 and Indian annexation and bifertication of Kashmir as well as Citizenship Act laws passed by India and putting Muslims in detention Camps or solidatery confinements.

As far as Pakistanis concerned, there is no bilateral solution to a UNSC recognized Disputed territory.......We have severe concerns of the sale of S400 and Akula 2 nuclear submarines to india by Russia.

Russia must realize that its flanker market is already down, Thanks to Pakistan on our actions during operation Swift Retort, Malaysia has rejected it and even Belarus Is having second thoughts of procuring them......

This is that Su30MKI, callsign '''Avenger 1'' which was killed by Pakistan.

And this is the aircraft which killed it, its F16BM(upgraded F16B) serial number 84-606, 84 meaning its a 1984 manufactured aircraft.

Meanwhile Pakistan's relations with America have improved, so Russia instead of reminding us of its good christian samaritans aka wiggling its tale infront of whoever throws money at them musnt DO such thing which rattle Pakistan as Pakistan is the same country that broke USSR to pieces and the main reason for that was also our revenge of 1971's Russia support to our hostile enemy India!

As for SCO, there is highly unlikely that there will be any Pakistani participation in a summit which itself is useless(given that its written in its charter that no member country can attack another but india did and the Russian Head of SCO insulted Pakistan's complain to the organization refused to intervene) There is nothing in organization in it as far as interests of Pakistan are concern. And to add to the insult it has again given hosting rights of the organization to India. Also given that russian state Media like RT's anti Islam drive these days and support for the Anti Islamic groups in Europe is not helping anybody!

As far as Kashmir is concern, Lahore declaration and Tashkent Treaty r dead, as its already written in that treaty that no country can unilaterally change the status of the disputed territory without first taking the other party into confidence first........After august 5 decision, that Status has been changed, constitutionally or otherwise. And this Clause was the 2nd clause of that Tashkent Treaty which Russia itself brokered and Russia wasnt able to do anything about that. Since Indo-Russian relation are controlled by India post cold war and post Crimea crisis, since Russia today is a country of mere 150 million, heavily sanctioned with nothing much to offer to the World besides Energy(nuclear or gas) Weapons(which also have CAATSA threat).

While Russia meanwhile dreaming of using Pakistan as its truck road to do trade with India aka its time tested friend and historical allay and also dreams of being a mediator to settle this dispute while at the same time having no clue what so ever of how serious and important it is for the safety and security of the whole wide world! Since Pakistan will never settle for anything less then full and entire annexation of Kashmir into Pakistan now, since india has proved to the World and Pakistan how serious it is about solving it bilaterally! and by voluntarily violating that treaty.

 

[BL33D]

Wow, when I joined this forum, I thought it was going to be serious analysis, but its silly hyper nationalist clowns throwing all sorts of garbage at each other.

Feel u

 

[BringHarmony]

Thing are now permanently different post operation swift retort of 27 feb. 2019 and Indian annexation and bifertication of Kashmir as well as Citizenship Act laws passed by India and putting Muslims in detention Camps or solidatery confinements.

As far as Pakistanis concerned, there is no bilateral solution to a UNSC recognized Disputed territory.......We have severe concerns of the sale of S400 and Akula 2 nuclear submarines to india by Russia.

Russia must realize that its flanker market is already down, Thanks to Pakistan on our actions during operation Swift Retort, Malaysia has rejected it and even Belarus Is having second thoughts of procuring them......

This is that Su30MKI, callsign '''Avenger 1'' which was killed by Pakistan.

And this is the aircraft which killed it, its F16BM(upgraded F16B) serial number 84-606, 84 meaning its a 1984 manufactured aircraft.

Meanwhile Pakistan's relations with America have improved, so Russia instead of reminding us of its good christian samaritans aka wiggling its tale infront of whoever throws money at them musnt DO such thing which rattle Pakistan as Pakistan is the same country that broke USSR to pieces and the main reason for that was also our revenge of 1971's Russia support to our hostile enemy India!

As for SCO, there is highly unlikely that there will be any Pakistani participation in a summit which itself is useless(given that its written in its charter that no member country can attack another but india did and the Russian Head of SCO insulted Pakistan's complain to the organization refused to intervene) There is nothing in organization in it as far as interests of Pakistan are concern. And to add to the insult it has again given hosting rights of the organization to India. Also given that russian state Media like RT's anti Islam drive these days and support for the Anti Islamic groups in Europe is not helping anybody!

As far as Kashmir is concern, Lahore declaration and Tashkent Treaty r dead, as its already written in that treaty that no country can unilaterally change the status of the disputed territory without first taking the other party into confidence first........After august 5 decision, that Status has been changed, constitutionally or otherwise. And this Clause was the 2nd clause of that Tashkent Treaty which Russia itself brokered and Russia wasnt able to do anything about that. Since Indo-Russian relation are controlled by India post cold war and post Crimea crisis, since Russia today is a country of mere 150 million, heavily sanctioned with nothing much to offer to the World besides Energy(nuclear or gas) Weapons(which also have CAATSA threat).

While Russia meanwhile dreaming of using Pakistan as its truck road to do trade with India aka its time tested friend and historical allay and also dreams of being a mediator to settle this dispute while at the same time having no clue what so ever of how serious and important it is for the safety and security of the whole wide world! Since Pakistan will never settle for anything less then full and entire annexation of Kashmir into Pakistan now, since india has proved to the World and Pakistan how serious it is about solving it bilaterally! and by voluntarily violating that treaty.

You are severely overestimating Pakistan's and Kashmir's standing in the world. It has nothing to do with that. Neither it has anything to do with shooting down a single 3rd gen fighter with a boat load of 4th gen fighter. Not at all.

Its merely a question of who has more money. Right now China does than India. So Russia will naturally work closer with them than India.

 

[Pakistani Fighter]

https://www.hindustantimes.com/indi...-in-5-years/story-TucCcAeCve8Dn7JI7KIFZK.html

At a briefing at the Russian embassy, ambassador Nikolay Kudashev described New Delhi’s actions in Jammu and Kashmir as an internal matter, and said the Kashmir issue should be handled bilaterally by India and Pakistan instead of being taken up at the UN Security Council.

Russia will deliver the five S-400 air defence systems ordered by India under a $5.4-billion deal by 2025 and the two sides are creating a comprehensive system of payments insulated from US sanctions, Russian diplomats said on Friday.

At a briefing at the Russian embassy, ambassador Nikolay Kudashev described New Delhi’s actions in Jammu and Kashmir as an internal matter, and said the Kashmir issue should be handled bilaterally by India and Pakistan instead of being taken up at the UN Security Council.

Roman Babushkin, the deputy chief of mission, said production of the S-400 systems for India has started. “We are expecting the deliveries to be completed by 2025,” he said.

India’s armed forces will soon receive the first batch of 5,000 Kalashnikov assault rifles made in India, and the two sides are close to signing a contract for 200 Kamov Ka-226 helicopters, under which 60 will be supplied by Russia and the rest made in India, Babushkin added.

As reported by HT, India last year made the first payment of $850 million for the S-400 systems through a special mechanism aimed at averting sanctions under the Countering America’s Adversaries Through Sanctions Act (CAATSA) of the US.

A senior US State Department official said on January 8 that India won’t receive a blanket waiver for the S-400 deal signed in 2018. Under CAATSA, countries making purchases worth more than $15 million from Russia’s state-owned defence firm could be subject to sanctions, though the US president has the authority to issue a waiver.

Kudashev described the system created by Russia and India to protect deals from US sanctions as a “work in progress”. The sanctions triggered by payments have complicated trade and investment, he said.

“[The two sides] are developing inter-bank cooperation, and enhancing and strengthening the position of national currencies in their trade and investment cooperation. They are developing and testing the means of payments that are an alternative to the SWIFT system, which became one of the instruments for sanctions,” he said.

The two sides are considering other ways to “clear the way for growing cooperation in many spheres, be it military, energy and space”, he added.

Asked about China’s move to discuss the Kashmir issue at the UN Security Council, Kudashev said: “We’ve never been in favour of bringing this issue into the UN agenda because, in our take, this is strictly a bilateral matter for India and Pakistan to discuss on the basis of the Simla Agreement and Lahore Declaration. This is our continuous position and it’s well known.”

Replying to another question on whether he wished to visit Kashmir to assess the ground situation, Kudashev said he hadn’t joined other envoys on a recent trip to the region as he hadn’t been invited.

“Quite frankly, I do not feel there is a reason for me to travel [to Kashmir]. Your decisions, as far as Jammu and Kashmir is concerned, this is your internal matter, belonging to the constitutional space of India,” he said.

Kudashev echoed Russian foreign minister Sergey Lavrov’s criticism of the US-backed concept of the Indo-Pacific, saying it was divisive and omitted China and Russia. He acknowledged India’s position on the Indo-Pacific wasn’t aimed at containing anybody.

“I would say quite frankly that we expressed to India, time and again, our concern about the American strategies [and] the Quad. As far as I understand, our concerns are taken into consideration and our dialogue on these issues is continuing,” he said.

Kudashev also said external affairs minister S Jaishankar will visit Russia from March 22-23 to attend a meeting of the Russia-Indian-China trilateral.

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Classic Russia! India paid 850 million dollars and will not even get a single S-400. In 2025, S-400 will be useless. China would have duplicated it and made it obsolete. Most likely Chinese pressure at work. India should have dumped Russia and dump them hard. They are not a reliable supplier. In the past it was that carrier, right?

I hope Chineese had developed HQ 9C then

only counter against new SAM systems are hypersonic cruise missiles a BM even with 15 Mach can be encountered without a MARV warhead

Ababeel has a MIRV

Honestly, India lost the bargain with Russia. Should be stayed with proven weapons from european or north american partners. Russia duped them big time.

What are alternate American and Eurpoean Weapons?

 

[Krptonite]

Thing are now permanently different post operation swift retort of 27 feb. 2019 and Indian annexation and bifertication of Kashmir as well as Citizenship Act laws passed by India and putting Muslims in detention Camps or solidatery confinements.

As far as Pakistanis concerned, there is no bilateral solution to a UNSC recognized Disputed territory.......We have severe concerns of the sale of S400 and Akula 2 nuclear submarines to india by Russia.

Russia must realize that its flanker market is already down, Thanks to Pakistan on our actions during operation Swift Retort, Malaysia has rejected it and even Belarus Is having second thoughts of procuring them......

This is that Su30MKI, callsign '''Avenger 1'' which was killed by Pakistan.

And this is the aircraft which killed it, its F16BM(upgraded F16B) serial number 84-606, 84 meaning its a 1984 manufactured aircraft.

Meanwhile Pakistan's relations with America have improved, so Russia instead of reminding us of its good christian samaritans aka wiggling its tale infront of whoever throws money at them musnt DO such thing which rattle Pakistan as Pakistan is the same country that broke USSR to pieces and the main reason for that was also our revenge of 1971's Russia support to our hostile enemy India!

As for SCO, there is highly unlikely that there will be any Pakistani participation in a summit which itself is useless(given that its written in its charter that no member country can attack another but india did and the Russian Head of SCO insulted Pakistan's complain to the organization refused to intervene) There is nothing in organization in it as far as interests of Pakistan are concern. And to add to the insult it has again given hosting rights of the organization to India. Also given that russian state Media like RT's anti Islam drive these days and support for the Anti Islamic groups in Europe is not helping anybody!

As far as Kashmir is concern, Lahore declaration and Tashkent Treaty r dead, as its already written in that treaty that no country can unilaterally change the status of the disputed territory without first taking the other party into confidence first........After august 5 decision, that Status has been changed, constitutionally or otherwise. And this Clause was the 2nd clause of that Tashkent Treaty which Russia itself brokered and Russia wasnt able to do anything about that. Since Indo-Russian relation are controlled by India post cold war and post Crimea crisis, since Russia today is a country of mere 150 million, heavily sanctioned with nothing much to offer to the World besides Energy(nuclear or gas) Weapons(which also have CAATSA threat).

While Russia meanwhile dreaming of using Pakistan as its truck road to do trade with India aka its time tested friend and historical allay and also dreams of being a mediator to settle this dispute while at the same time having no clue what so ever of how serious and important it is for the safety and security of the whole wide world! Since Pakistan will never settle for anything less then full and entire annexation of Kashmir into Pakistan now, since india has proved to the World and Pakistan how serious it is about solving it bilaterally! and by voluntarily violating that treaty.

You're trying to pigeon hole Russia diplomacy through Pakistani lens.

GoP is most welcome to work for it's perceived interests, but you're severely overestimating GoP's stature in the global arena. For Russia, good relations with Pakistan are a welcome bonus, but to assume GoP holds leverage over Russian decisions is nonsensical and incorrect, more so if you claim to be solely responsible for breaking up of USSR. No decent Pakistani diplomat is going to claim as such, lest they be laughed out of the global forum.

GoP, currently, is unable to influence any major power other than China to work in it's(Pakistan) interests. Reciprocal agreements notwithstanding.

No country is going to stop doing business in their own interests because it might aggravate Pakistan.

You're free to feel huffy though, whenever it happens.

 

[Signalian]

Wow, when I joined this forum, I thought it was going to be serious analysis, but its silly hyper nationalist clowns throwing all sorts of garbage at each other.

Serious analysis has been done many times, use the search function. When new topics are opened on the same old weapon system, it becomes a casual joke.

 

[BringHarmony]

What are alternate American and Eurpoean Weapons?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RIM-174_Standard_ERAM
Range 240 KM.
It was cleared for export in 2017.