Russia says China refuses to supply aircraft parts after sanctions

[jamahir]

Troll article, Troll thread.

And a habitual troll OPer.

 

[CAPRICORN-88]

Before Ukraine, where were these Russian airliners buying their spareparts from?
China??? Definitely not.

Indeed China Airliners has no obligation to sell their spareparts to Russia and risk the unnecessary hazard of dealing with the US and allies sanction and allegations.

But that does means China will stop its factories from supplying similar or equivalent spareparts to Russia.
Now that Russia stop recognised unfriendly nations IP.

It is a topsy turvy world we are living in today.

Thanks to the US anti-trade and anti-WTO practices in weaponizing trade and the dollars.

Face it China and Russia tie is rock solid.

 

[nahtanbob]

Doesn't Russia have homegrown Illyushin jetliners ? I suspect some of these Il-62 and Il-96 get parts from Europe and USA

 

[vi-va]

You really do not know what you are talking about, do you?

The issue is not about bypassing the US government or sanctions. It is about remanufactured/reconditioned AIRCRAFT parts. You said 'second hand parts', remember? If a remanufactured/reconditioned fail in flight, you got about 30,000 ft to make your peace with God, if you so believe. So yeah...Go try those African aviation scrap yards for parts.

You have no idea what you are talking about.
Russia is not undeveloped country, they can make their own jet. Russia can fix, maintain their airplane as long as they can get second hand Boeing / airbus parts.

Iran has been sanctioned for 40 years, their airplane still flying.

 

[gambit]

You have no idea what you are talking about.
Russia is not undeveloped country, they can make their own jet. Russia can fix, maintain their airplane as long as they can get second hand Boeing / airbus parts.

Iran has been sanctioned for 40 years, their airplane still flying.

A lot more than ALL of you guys combined.

Many aviation parts are SERIALLY CONTROLLED, meaning the part's serial ID are tracked in several places: owner/operator and manufacturer. One major reason why is because of PHYSICAL stresses on the part. Over time, the physical stresses of flight weakened the material possibly down to the molecular matrix level. Metal usually fail catastrophically, meaning 'snap', not on a slope or gradual curve. Fluids such as for lubricant and pneudraulics fail on a curve, so over time, aircraft performance degrades. But no matter what, a serially controlled part is usually replaced after X flight hrs. Then there is a limited number of times the part can be reconditioned/remanufactured before it must be discarded. So when a manufacturer send a notice that a part should be replaced/discarded, the owner/operator usually obey because hearing a 'boom' in flight is usually not a good thing.

This story maybe true or false. But if it is true, your China is abandoning Russia in one more step, and Russian aircrafts are being put at risk.

 

[Han Patriot]

Since when Boeing and airbus is Chinese?

The propaganda war mate. Its to create an illusion as if China is also on the bandwagon. I am very sure Chinese companies can produce the parts if needed.

You have no idea what you are talking about.
Russia is not undeveloped country, they can make their own jet. Russia can fix, maintain their airplane as long as they can get second hand Boeing / airbus parts.

Iran has been sanctioned for 40 years, their airplane still flying.

Exactly, Iranians and Russians are resourceful people. You might see the emergence of new local suppliers. It's not rocket science.

A lot more than ALL of you guys combined.

Many aviation parts are SERIALLY CONTROLLED, meaning the part's serial ID are tracked in several places: owner/operator and manufacturer. One major reason why is because of PHYSICAL stresses on the part. Over time, the physical stresses of flight weakened the material possibly down to the molecular matrix level. Metal usually fail catastrophically, meaning 'snap', not on a slope or gradual curve. Fluids such as for lubricant and pneudraulics fail on a curve, so over time, aircraft performance degrades. But no matter what, a serially controlled part is usually replaced after X flight hrs. Then there is a limited number of times the part can be reconditioned/remanufactured before it must be discarded. So when a manufacturer send a notice that a part should be replaced/discarded, the owner/operator usually obey because hearing a 'boom' in flight is usually not a good thing.

This story maybe true or false. But if it is true, your China is abandoning Russia in one more step, and Russian aircrafts are being put at risk.

Just use some common sense. Will China abandon Russia or quietly helping from behind while reaping from the western market? Iran sold more oil now than before Trump era. Common sense mate, common sense. Russia is key to our survival, this is an existential issue, if Russia falls, we are next. United we stand. Fight on comrade Putin.

 

[mmr]

A lot more than ALL of you guys combined.

Many aviation parts are SERIALLY CONTROLLED, meaning the part's serial ID are tracked in several places: owner/operator and manufacturer. One major reason why is because of PHYSICAL stresses on the part. Over time, the physical stresses of flight weakened the material possibly down to the molecular matrix level. Metal usually fail catastrophically, meaning 'snap', not on a slope or gradual curve. Fluids such as for lubricant and pneudraulics fail on a curve, so over time, aircraft performance degrades. But no matter what, a serially controlled part is usually replaced after X flight hrs. Then there is a limited number of times the part can be reconditioned/remanufactured before it must be discarded. So when a manufacturer send a notice that a part should be replaced/discarded, the owner/operator usually obey because hearing a 'boom' in flight is usually not a good thing.

This story maybe true or false. But if it is true, your China is abandoning Russia in one more step, and Russian aircrafts are being put at risk.

Can russians buy parts from black market? How did iran survived then all these years?

 

[gambit]

Just use some common sense. Will China abandon Russia or quietly helping from behind while reaping from the western market? Iran sold more oil now than before Trump era. Common sense mate, common sense. Russia is key to our survival, this is an existential issue, if Russia falls, we are next. United we stand. Fight on comrade Putin.

Oil is not aircraft parts. Is common sense needed to see that?

Can russians buy parts from black market? How did iran survived then all these years?

The issue is not about accessing these parts on the grey/black markets. The question is how reliable are the parts absent manufacturer support. Iran is not a valid argument because Iran took over the manufacturing aspects of the parts for the F-14 and F-5, if that is what you are wondering about, and how many civilians flies the F-14 and F-5?

 

[ProudPak]

More like a fake news to spread hate against Chinese. Firstly those are US companies and secondly Russians would not have come openly so soon and thirdly sanctions just started and in few days now all of a sudden Russians can't fly their airliners. Next I am going to hear that Russians have got no pilots as they are all captured by the Ukrainians.

Going forward there goes future sales to China Russia and many other countries.
Chelsea football club is up for sale. Note not a single Arab sheikh interested. Wonder why???
Asset grab and especially targeting business individual is wrong. This will dry up investments in the west

 

[Han Patriot]

Oil is not aircraft parts. Is common sense needed to see that?


The issue is not about accessing these parts on the grey/black markets. The question is how reliable are the parts absent manufacturer support. Iran is not a valid argument because Iran took over the manufacturing aspects of the parts for the F-14 and F-5, if that is what you are wondering about, and how many civilians flies the F-14 and F-5?

What has oil got to do with aircraft parts? The issue here is the media deliberately painting a China which is trying to betray Russia to create a schism. But since you lack common sense and bought into it and believes Boeing and Airbus are Chinese companies, I needed to remind you.

I stil remember reading tonnes of news report from 'mainstream' media about how China stopped buying Iranian oil and is afraid of US sanctions. The more they splurt out shit like that means the opposite is happening and they need to reassure their poodles that they are still stronk and everybody must toe the line and follow the master. China is no exception. Lolol. Propaganda is used to reassure their own populace that America is still great.

Reliable or not depends on their testing regime, if it fails, then people will stop buying, Iran has been flying their fleet for decades, and trust me Chinese suppliers can sometimes produce components that are even better than the original.

 

[gambit]

What has oil got to do with aircraft parts? The issue here is the media deliberately painting a China which is trying to betray Russia to create a schism. But since you lack common sense and bought into it and believes Boeing and Airbus are Chinese companies, I needed to remind you.

I did ? I, who knows more about aviation than ALL of you guys COMBINED, somehow believes that Boeing and Airbus are Chinese companies?

But never mind that bit of stupidity from you, for now. Here is another piece of evidence that your China is slowly walking away from Russia.

China eases control to let ruble fall faster against yuan

China is easing government exchange rate controls to let the Russian ruble fall faster in value against the Chinese yuan in a move that would help to insulate Beijing from economic sanctions on Moscow.

apnews.com

China is easing government exchange rate controls to let the Russian ruble fall faster in value against the Chinese yuan to help insulate Beijing from economic sanctions on Moscow.​

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Soon, China will have two NKRs to deal with, the real NKR, and the one up north, except the second one will be more difficult to manage.

 

[devrandomnull]

I did ? I, who knows more about aviation than ALL of you guys COMBINED, somehow believes that Boeing and Airbus are Chinese companies?

But never mind that bit of stupidity from you, for now. Here is another piece of evidence that your China is slowly walking away from Russia.

China eases control to let ruble fall faster against yuan

China is easing government exchange rate controls to let the Russian ruble fall faster in value against the Chinese yuan in a move that would help to insulate Beijing from economic sanctions on Moscow.

apnews.com

China is easing government exchange rate controls to let the Russian ruble fall faster in value against the Chinese yuan to help insulate Beijing from economic sanctions on Moscow.​

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Soon, China will have two NKRs to deal with, the real NKR, and the one up north, except the second one will be more difficult to manage.

I guess you know a lot about aviation but not about how exchange rate works? China didn't let the ruble crumble, it expanded the range it's allowed to trade at because of its volatility. If it doesn't investors can make a run on the RMB through arbitraging against the ruble.

 

[vi-va]

A lot more than ALL of you guys combined.

Many aviation parts are SERIALLY CONTROLLED, meaning the part's serial ID are tracked in several places: owner/operator and manufacturer. One major reason why is because of PHYSICAL stresses on the part. Over time, the physical stresses of flight weakened the material possibly down to the molecular matrix level. Metal usually fail catastrophically, meaning 'snap', not on a slope or gradual curve. Fluids such as for lubricant and pneudraulics fail on a curve, so over time, aircraft performance degrades. But no matter what, a serially controlled part is usually replaced after X flight hrs. Then there is a limited number of times the part can be reconditioned/remanufactured before it must be discarded. So when a manufacturer send a notice that a part should be replaced/discarded, the owner/operator usually obey because hearing a 'boom' in flight is usually not a good thing.

This story maybe true or false. But if it is true, your China is abandoning Russia in one more step, and Russian aircrafts are being put at risk.

Tell me, how did Iran keep their airplane flying?
If Iran can do so, Russia can do it as well. There are thousands of retired airplanes overseas, there are second hand part market, there are black market as long as you pay.

Russia has aviation industry, they can fix most the issues. Otherwise, they will go to black market, and you can't stop them.

 

[mmr]

Oil is not aircraft parts. Is common sense needed to see that?


The issue is not about accessing these parts on the grey/black markets. The question is how reliable are the parts absent manufacturer support. Iran is not a valid argument because Iran took over the manufacturing aspects of the parts for the F-14 and F-5, if that is what you are wondering about, and how many civilians flies the F-14 and F-5?

No i was wondering how come iran has still manage to operate airbus and Boeing.
I know iran has lot of accidents because they cant have manufacturing support.

Not sure what russia will do now. I mean they seize leased airlines but without any support from Boeing or airbus how they will operate those? Sooner or later they will need parts and maintenance.

 

[gambit]

Tell me, how did Iran keep their airplane flying?
If Iran can do so, Russia can do it as well. There are thousands of retired airplanes overseas, there are second hand part market, there are black market as long as you pay.

Russia has aviation industry, they can fix most the issues. Otherwise, they will go to black market, and you can't stop them.

No one said you cannot make parts for your own car, the one that carries your wife, your children, and your dog. No one said you cannot sell those parts to anyone willing to believe that what you made is of the same quality and reliability as those from the manufacturers. Am just saying that for the US market, we would rather trust the manufacturer and third parties certified.