Russia’s Stealth Fighter Could Outfly, Outshoot American Jets

[he-man]

@he-man:
FGFA RCS figures given are its average value.RCS value of a target is different for different incident frequency and angle.
FYI,F-22 avg RCS is around .3-.4 sqm.

here is the source on f-22
Radar Cross Section (RCS)
RCS of Typical Radar Targets

 

[S-DUCT]

Pls give a source of average f-22 rcs??

i gave 2 sources for pakfa rcs

The pic is not complete,check the complete pic to get an idea of F-22 Avg Rcs.

here is the source on f-22
Radar Cross Section (RCS)
RCS of Typical Radar Targets

I'm talking about Avg. RCS value not lockmart cheery pickeed frontal RCS value.

 

[he-man]

The pic is not complete,check the complete pic to get an idea of F-22 Avg Rcs.

dude its a well accepted fact that f-22 average rcs is at the most .001m2

u can search any site,,,,anywhere
Americans say that f-22 cross section is equal to a metallic marble and its their official word(feel free to check)

 

[klub]

See everyone here is patriotic and is unwilling to see the facts all the time

1)just like pakistanis claiming to be better than indians!!.................are they? no

2)indians claiming to be better than china......................are they??no,not at present

3)chinese claiming to be better than russia.......................are they??no,not at present,but will be

USA remains unchallenged for the forseable future and this is unanimous thinking

So no point arguing with other person when he is not willing to accept facts



1)it will indeed have a powerful radar complex............having 5 different arrays(3 x-band and 2 l-band)
2)f-22 remains unchallenged in terms of stealth,,however when we get stage 2 engines in 2020 we can hope to better it in speed,agility,supercruise and range

BLK 2 COMPARISON

RCS F22 .0001
PAKFA 10/250 = .04

SUPERCRUISE PAKFA MACH 1.7
F22 MACH 1.72

TVC PAKFA 16 DEG PITCH , 8 DEG YAW
F22 20 DEG PITCH

CEILING PAKFA 80000FT
F22 75000+ FT

ARMAMENT INTERNAL PAKFA 6- 8
F22 8

RADAR PAKFA X BAND AESA 1500 NODES 120 DEG AZIMUTH 60 DEG ELEVATION , 2 L BAND , 1 X BAND ON TAIL (L BAND WILL HELP IN
DETECTING REFLECTED WAVELENGTH LEFT IN WAKE OF F22)

F22 AG 77 2000 - 2200 NODES X RAY AESA 120 DEG AZIMUTH 120 DEG ELEVATION
ALR 94 PASSIVE RADAR EMITTER, CAN DETECT USING RWR ANY RADAR SIGNATURE OF AIRCRAFT UPTO 600KM.

NO.S: PAKFA INDIA - 144 (FINAL VERSION 2022 ONWARDS)
RUSSIA - 60

F22 - 195 - 196 (BUILT , IDIOTS LOST 5 BY GIVING THEM TO COWBOY , CARELESS F16 TRAINEES)

The pic is not complete,check the complete pic to get an idea of F-22 Avg Rcs.


I'm talking about Avg. RCS value not lockmart cheery pickeed frontal RCS value.

F35 IS EVEN MORE STEALTHY AS COMPOSITE IS A MESH AROUND AIRFRAME THAN GOLD LINED PAINT AS IN MOST AIRCRAFT.

 

[S-DUCT]

dude its a well accepted fact that f-22 average rcs is at the most .001m2

u can search any site,,,,anywhere
Americans say that f-22 cross section is equal to a metallic marble and its their official word(feel free to check)

Please read through this link,http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-2012-03.htmlit'll give you an idea that computing RCS and it's values at differnt frequency and angle and Ignore usual Anti-F-35 BS from Kopp.

 

[Dillinger]

Please read through this link,it'll give you an idea that computing RCS and it's values at differnt frequency and angle and Ignore usual Anti-F-35 BS from Kopp.

Kopp is good with missiles and the obscure red faction radars though. But the minute he gets to aerial platforms....

 

[he-man]

BLK 2 COMPARISON

RCS F22 .0001
PAKFA 10/250 = .04

SUPERCRUISE PAKFA MACH 1.7
F22 MACH 1.72

TVC PAKFA 16 DEG PITCH , 8 DEG YAW
F22 20 DEG PITCH

CEILING PAKFA 80000FT
F22 75000+ FT

ARMAMENT INTERNAL PAKFA 6- 8
F22 8

RADAR PAKFA X BAND AESA 1500 NODES 120 DEG AZIMUTH 60 DEG ELEVATION , 2 L BAND , 1 X BAND ON TAIL (L BAND WILL HELP IN
DETECTING REFLECTED WAVELENGTH LEFT IN WAKE OF F22)

F22 AG 77 2000 - 2200 NODES X RAY AESA 120 DEG AZIMUTH 120 DEG ELEVATION
ALR 94 PASSIVE RADAR EMITTER, CAN DETECT USING RWR ANY RADAR SIGNATURE OF AIRCRAFT UPTO 600KM.

NO.S: PAKFA INDIA - 144 (FINAL VERSION 2022 ONWARDS)
RUSSIA - 60

F22 - 195 - 196 (BUILT , IDIOTS LOST 5 BY GIVING THEM TO COWBOY , CARELESS F16 TRAINEES)



F35 IS EVEN MORE STEALTHY AS COMPOSITE IS A MESH AROUND AIRFRAME THAN GOLD LINED PAINT AS IN MOST AIRCRAFT.

Ur data is wrong

1)Pakfa has 5 radars

1)x-band main radar with 1526t/r
2)2 side facing x-band each with 320-370 t/r
2 l-band
so total t/r modules will be >2100 even without tail radar!!

3)It will have speed,supercruise,range more than f-22 when product 30 engine is installed as each engine will have power of approx 176kn

4)How did u get pakfa rcs??
As stated in above article its ,5m2 and it was an official speaking

 

[S-DUCT]

Kopp is good with missiles and the obscure red faction radars though. But the minute he gets to aerial platforms....

He has done something on PAK-FA RCS front,that most of forum member can never do.
Hmm.Well dunno why he is fan of IRST.?
Are you prep. for CA.?

 

[klub]

Please read through this link,A Preliminary Assessment of Specular Radar Cross Section Performance in the Sukhoi T-50 Prototypeit'll give you an idea that computing RCS and it's values at differnt frequency and angle and Ignore usual Anti-F-35 BS from Kopp.

The world hates F 35 for just one reason. The USA makes a F22 and suckers the world by cancelling export. They instead give a sexed up F16 with 220 KN engine and F22 sensor and stealth instead. Great but not the best.

 

[S-DUCT]

The world hates F 35 for just one reason. The USA makes a F22 and suckers the world by cancelling export. They instead give a sexed up F16 with 220 KN engine and F22 sensor and stealth instead. Great but not the best.

But F-35s EODASS and HMDS is quite revolutionary IMO, being able to guide missiles just by look on target is great way to eliminate TVC.
F-22 has limited A2G roles that's they need F-35 for multirole and naval operation.

 

[he-man]

He has done something on PAK-FA RCS front,that most of forum member can never do.
Hmm.Well dunno why he is fan of IRST.?
Are you prep. for CA.?

Kopp is good with missiles and the obscure red faction radars though. But the minute he gets to aerial platforms....

at least he gives equipment details...........i like that part,,,then everyone is free to analyze in their own way

but yes his geopolitical analysis powers seems a bit on lower side

 

[klub]

Ur data is wrong

1)Pakfa has 5 radars

1)x-band main radar with 1526t/r
2)2 side facing x-band each with 320-370 t/r
2 l-band
so total t/r modules will be >2100 even without tail radar!!

3)It will have speed,supercruise,range more than f-22 when product 30 engine is installed as each engine will have power of approx 176kn

4)How did u get pakfa rcs??
As stated in above article its ,5m2 and it was an official speaking

These figures are WITH THE PRODUCT 30 NUMBERS! F 119 does 176 KN and that was known in 1990s. The plane (f22) is also lighter than PAKFA as @$$hole Russians use titanium instead of composites that make it ( PAKFA) heavier. Our version will use the composites, assuming HAL doesn't F7ck up.

The russians said it was 250 times less visible to radar. Assuming 10 rms target as airframe smaller than flanker, divide 10/250 = 0.4 rms.

Rarefied air: Russian 5G fighters boast cutting-edge life support systems ? RT News

And yes my mistake, no tail radar , just 3 X radars and 2 L radars.

 

[S-DUCT]

asking me??

Nope.
Have you read the link that i've given you.?

 

[he-man]

But F-35s EODASS and HMDS is quite revolutionary IMO, being able to guide missiles just by look on target is great way to eliminate TVC.
F-22 has limited A2G roles that's they need F-35 for multirole and naval operation.

Even pakfa will have a good system like EODAS..........see the equipment i posted earlier,,at least it looks good

As far as irst is concerned a good irst with qwip technology like on rafale and eurofighter typhoon can detect an aircraft from 140 km distance.

If an aircraft supercruises,,,then the detection range will fall significantly and f-35 has a very limited ability to supercruise

 

[S-DUCT]

@he-man:
PAK-FAs L-BAND AESA on levcons are for IFF.They are not radar.