Exactly what bad words did I use? You consider "liar" a bad word? Stop talking "crxp" a bad word?
You have no answer to my points, do you? I caught you lying again. Deng did not warm up to the Russia. Now what excuse are you going to give????
Dear fatty acids ,
Since you insist and since I am not afraid to state the facts.I will respond to you as long you wish.
All the while I am addressing you as Dear Fatty acid and see what words you are using ....Slimy , dodgy , liars ,shameless etc
I can dig up many of my questions you have deliberately left unanswered and things you have twisted... ..when I said Deng Xiaopong...I meant that era of End of Deng Xiaopong ....Yes I agree the relations improved after Yeltsin visit. Yeh you were correct that it happned during Jiang Zemin era . But that does not take away fact that Russia did helped China .
China had been under arms embargo by west and it's Russia which fulfilled China's defense needs ..Most of China's military hardware came from Russia which Chinese scientists reveres engineered later . China was social pariah in International arena . Russia did a great favor by supplying all that military hardware to China .
also True is the fact Soviets helped in establishing Uranium enrichment plants in 1950's also send nuclear scientists and gave blue prints for nuclear weapons ...
When I say China owes a lot to Russia ...it's not in monetary terms ....
For what Russia did can never be equated in terms of money ...
At one point you just refuse to accept that Russia did help , at other point you say it was peanuts ..at other point of time you say it was same as given to other communist countries ...
and another point you say that money given was to wage wars ....
I have already stated that Soviet Russia showed great magnanimity to give away its naval bases at port Arthur and Dalian ...despite stiff resistance from Stalin as part of Sino- soviet friendship treaty .... You did not say anything about that
I also told you during same period Soviet Russia gave 300 million $ . Remember 300 million dollars in 1950 is equivalent to several trillion dollar today ( I was not going to say that but just since you insisted although I still say when I said you owe a lot to Russia it was not referred to monetary terms ) This is the 'price......not 'value .
This assistance came when millions and millions of Chinese were dying of starvation in China ....Can you put value to this assistance ...
Remember china had no friend then....and during such critical period when PRC was born after long drawn civil war ...only country that helped you guys were Russia ...
and you insult that help as peanuts ....You have been the most ungrateful to forget a help provided by country in the most critical period of your history....ask your grand parents ....they might be able to reminisce that 50's was the most difficult period of China .
It was Russian help due to which China was able to undertake mass scale industrialization...
China was not able to make even simple machines ...all the sophisticated machinery , engines were send by Russia with their technicians ..to teach Chinese people ....
Sino-Soviet split happned in 1960 i.e for full 15 years Soviet help to PRC continued . From 1945 till this period China got unprecedented help from soviets . As stated before Soviet Russia helped you guys establish ...uranium and plutonium processing plants also send their nuclear scientists ...gave blue prints ... China's nuclear programme was thus sponsored and initiated by Soviet Russia .
China was utterly poor ..had no expertise for such state of the art techs ...all of which were passed on by the Soviets to China ...
China conducted its first nuclear test in 1964 just 3 years after Split from Soviet ...Do you think Chinese developed nukes on its own....in just 4 years ..that too when million were dying of poverty and hunger. China had no money to feed itself....Without Soviet help it would not have been possible for the then third world country like China to develop nukes ...
It's well known truth US and Russia were only pioneers in technology ...subsequently all countries including China stole secrets and copied technology ....
Your PRC /ROC differentiation is absolute nonsense ...
are these two different countries ?
Your argument that Soviets helped PRC and not ROC is absolutely laughable ....Soviets helped PRC gain all crucial technology ...and when it changed to ROC did ROC give up that tech....Name and regime changed ....but country is same ...The fruits of industrialization and mechanization that you enjoy today belong to the trees whose seeds were sowed at PRC era with the help of Soviets ....
China was neither military or nuclear power ..yet because of Soviet Russia ....China got permanent seat at Security council ....You owe it to Soviet Russia .
Immediately after soviet split - China attacked Vietnam the then Soviet ally which turned relations bad .
China had brief war with Russia ...You are asking me whether I know it or not ...
You don't read post fully ....I already told you I know it well because my Russian friend that I had made during Antarctica expedition had served in Sino- Russian war in 1969 in medical corps ...
well so many things changed after brief conflict in 1969 ...and you ask me naïve question as to how you can be grateful to your opponent ....
Well after collapse of USSR - Boris yeltsin visit thawd relations again ...in 1995 ( if I am correct ) border agreement was concluded ..Eversince then China and Russia has shared close relationships ....
after Tianmen square massacre west had imposed arms sanctions during this period again Russia was main arms supplier ...and all major technologies that china today flaunts were absorbed during this period .I am not belittling China's own efforts ...but China gained lot from Russian ready made hardware ....
China's space programme owes to Russia lot ....training of Chinese scientists and sharing of R-2 rocket technology was primer for China's Space programme ...from which also developed ballistic missile programme ....All initial Chinese rockets and missiles were totally based on R-2 rocket technology ....
Concurrent massive Chinese spy programme made further valuable contribution ....
China - didn't have to begin from scratch ...they got readymade Russian , technology , amchines , expertise , designs ready made during Sino -Soviet Friendship era that lasted from 1945-1961 . China was poor , illiterate , starving third world country during this period . Without Soviet help it was impossible for China to Test rockets , missiles and nukes in 1950s-60s era itself ....
Thus China totally owes credit for helping it in era of Nuclear , Space, Missile technology to Soviet Russia alone ....
In fact Russia carried Chinese Mars orbiter along with its Phobos Grunt mission ...
China does not have launch vehicle as of today to embark upon mars mission ...
Russia had been magnanimous to you to accord that privilege ...
This is enough to surmise that Russia has helped China immensely in its past and also in its present time ....
You will deny many of the facts mentioned above. I know you reaction.....you will say all this is utter lies ...
well blame it on CCP if they didn't tell you all these facts ....
I am open to answer all your questions if you have any
Even if now you continue to deny Russia's role in crafting destiny of your country ...
would say you are the most ungrateful person to deny the credit that you need to give your friendly neighbor Russia .
China owes a lot to Russia ! I standby my statement
and it is upto all people to read, think, search , verify these facts !!!
Dear fatty acids ,
learn some humility ...learn some openness ...learn some honesty ....
To accept the truth that Russia has contributed immensely to your country's current capability ....
