Russia-Led Troops Sent to Kazakhstan as 'Dozens' Killed in Unrest

[Azadkashmir]

soros ngo has been in kazakh for 14 years.

 

[kingQamaR]

Politics aside, I personally admire the balls shown by the Kazak government in the face of rented out protesters. You cannot openly challenge the writ of the state period. Initial demands were somewhat justified but a laundry list of subsequent demands which had nothing to do with the original demands smells of international conspiracy.

Which is why the corrupt government has brought in Russian troops to crush the rebellion against the corrupt Russian puppet government

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

See @mike2000 is back ... Once again your poor knowledge of modern China is exposed again. How absurd of you to compare China civil war to this Kazakh violent protest against a normal working government.

He has been factually wrong multiple times and nobody calls him out.

 

[Tshering22]

Not that many. less than 19 millions.

Thanks for correcting. My bad. I think I misquoted the collective population of the entire 5 CARs.

 

[Beast]

Lol You didn't address any of the points I made then. Lol
Why won't I draw comparisons? The only main difference is that today is the 21st century and modern world. You said any protest/uprising against a government(especially a dictatorial one at that ) that is violent is the work of western powers and should be dealt with ruthlessly. I mentioned that you should sympathise with the people, since even your current ruling Party unseated the government through violent struggle not peacefully.
As I said again, a dictatorship/totalitarian regime can't be unseated peacefully without blood and sacrifices.
So my point was that you can't be justifying your current ruling party's legitimacy of coking to power through revolt and violent uprising against the recognised legitimate Chinese government at the time while badmouthing another country trying to do the same thing just because "it doesn't suit your interests. "

Absolutely nonsense. Then how did Romania overthrow the dictatorship of Soviet era?

And what to address when you don't even know how CCP came about by claiming it's CCP who start rebel against KMT?

Don't make a mess with your comparison. If the government is really bad. Sooner or later, it will lose the support of the people and collapse.

 

[MH.Yang]

Wrong. The sino Soviet split had nothing to do with CCP not trusting the Soviets. It was more about Mao being angry with Soviet leader krushev who criticised Stalin(who Mao saw as a mentor/big brother ) policy of terror and other of his failed policies after his death and also because Mao was against the Soviets getting into any sort of rapprochement/detente with the US and the Soviet leadership adopting more moderate approach towards communism which Mao called revisionism .China accused the USSR under Khrushchev of perverting socialism and betraying the revolution by making a détente with the US/West(funny enough, Mao did the same thing about a decade later. ) and in return Khrushchev and his successors accused Mao of distorting Marxism to make it fit in with China's peasant society. Etc.
You should read more about the sino Soviet split.

Mao Zedong and Khrushchev are only one of the reasons for the break between the two countries. The breakup point between the two countries was the Soviet Union's request for the establishment of radio stations and joint fleets in China. However, the relationship between the CCP and the CPSU has been bad, which began with the CPSU is betrayal of the CCP in 1927. Senior officials sent by the Comintern to China have been collectively excluded by the CCP, such as Wang Ming, Bogu, etc.

王明 - 维基百科，自由的百科全书

zh.m.wikipedia.org

博古 - 维基百科，自由的百科全书

zh.m.wikipedia.org

CCP does not trust CPSU and has long excluded officials dispatched by Comintern. The Comintern cannot control CCP. It led USSR to forcibly claim the command of the troops stationed in China (long wave radio) and the Chinese Army (joint fleet). This has led to the complete outbreak of contradictions accumulated over the years.

 

[mike2000 is back]

Don't make a mess with your comparison. If the government is really bad. Sooner or later, it will lose the support of the people and collapse

Yeah any ruling party will either collapse or change at one point. They can't rule forever same with former Soviet Communist Party, dictatorships in Africa/Middle East, South America, former Eastern European countries etc. CCP(Just like KMT) won't rule China forever as well. The main difference is if the country or system is ready for that Change of leadership/government when the time does comes. That's where country's with strong independent institutions have a lead , since the system is strong enough to enable to smooth transition of power , unlike in countries where there is barely any strong independent institutions/law in place to make such a change peacefully.

As for last point about if a country is really bad then the government will lose support of the people at one pint and collapse. I agree, however things don't always happen according to logic. Lol Will you say North Korea is properly managed/ruled ? Why is there no revolution there? Many African countries are ruled by corrupt despots/dictators for decades now as well, but many of them are still in power . Same in middle east and elsewhere in North Africa.
So it's not always the case, and sometimes it can also take a very long time for such a change to happen. The problem is if we or the people be patient enough to wait for so long? Lol
Moreover, today there is also the issue of foreign powers intervening directly or indirectly into such an uprising or revolt to protect their interests or ruler in place like we saw with Russia in Syria and now Kazakhstan. In such a situation it will all come down to who has the bigger gun to maintain or take power not just about the people. Lol Just like if Mao never had enough military supplies, equipments(many seized from Japan's defeat in China) made easier by Stalins Soviet help, couple with the chaos that was China back then and a weak central goevernment , these all helped, he would never have stood a chance against the KMT Chinese government back then if many of these conditions where not there.
So an unpopular government can still maintain its rule with the right tools/policies. Just like we see in North Korea today.
Things don't always work like 1+1 in actual life.

 

[925boy]

Otherwise they would have been goat herders like many of their neighbors.

C'mon Beny, no need to be a racist.

 

[Beast]

C'mon Beny, no need to be a racist.

He is fake Israeli of India origin trying hard to impress.

 

[MH.Yang]

Yeah any ruling party will either collapse or change at one point. They can't rule forever same with former Soviet Communist Party, dictatorships in Africa/Middle East, South America, former Eastern European countries etc. CCP(Just like KMT) won't rule China forever as well. The main difference is if the country or system is ready for that Change of leadership/government when the time does comes. That's where country's with strong independent institutions have a lead , since the system is strong enough to enable to smooth transition of power , unlike in countries where there is barely any strong independent institutions/law in place to make such a change peacefully.

As for last point about if a country is really bad then the government will lose support of the people at one pint and collapse. I agree, however things don't always happen according logic. Lol will you say North Korea is properly managed/ruled ? Why is there no revolution there? Many African countries are ruled by corrupt despots as well, but many of them are still in power . Same in middle east and elsewhere in North Africa.
So it's not always the case, and sometimes it can also take a very long time for such a change to happen. The problem is can we be patriot enough to wait for so long?
Moreover, today there is also the issue of foreign powers intervening directly or indirectly into such an uprising or revolt to protect their interests or ruler in place like we saw with Russia in Syria and now Kazakhstan. In such a situation it will comes down to who has the bigger gun to maintain or take power not just about the people. Just like if Mao never had enough military supplies, equipment(many seized from Japan's defeat in China) couple with chaos that was China back then and a weak cebtral goevernment , these all helped, he would never have stood a chance against the KMT Chinese goevernment back then if many of these conditions where not there.
So an unpopular government can still maintain its rule with the right tools/policy. Just like we see in North Korea today.
Things don't always work like 1+1 in actual life.

You made a mistake again.
CCP had defeat KMT not by force, but by agrarian revolution.
At that time, China's land was concentrated in the hands of a small number of landlords. These landlords are generally senior KMT officials, the soldiers and officers at the bottom are usually from landless farmers.
CCP's land policy is that the ownership of all land belongs to the state, but the use right belongs to the villagers' collective. Every 30 years, the villagers of each village collectively distribute the land equally to each family according to the population.
Such land reform makes KMT senior officials hate CCP, but bottom soldiers and officers often defecte to CCP camp on a large scale. Moreover, farmers in various villages began to organize militias to firmly support CCP.
You can check every showdown between CCP and KMT. KMT will always have the defection of the whole division and the whole army. After a war, almost all KMT troops became CCP troops. In 1950, China had 6+ million troops, of which 5+ million were from KMT defectors.

You just said that the KMT govt is weak and the army is incompetent. But most of the troops fighting the Americans in DPRK came from the former KMT army. CCPs have few direct troops and are usually used only as knife troops, such as the 38th army.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

You made a mistake again.
CCP had defeat KMT not by force, but by agrarian revolution.
At that time, China's land was concentrated in the hands of a small number of landlords. These landlords are generally senior KMT officials, the soldiers and officers at the bottom are usually from landless farmers.
CCP's land policy is that the ownership of all land belongs to the state, but the use right belongs to the villagers' collective. Every 30 years, the villagers of each village collectively distribute the land equally to each family according to the population.
Such land reform makes KMT senior officials hate CCP, but bottom soldiers and officers often defecte to CCP camp on a large scale. Moreover, farmers in various villages began to organize militias to firmly support CCP.
You can check every showdown between CCP and KMT. KMT will always have the defection of the whole division and the whole army. After a war, almost all KMT troops became CCP troops. In 1950, China had 6+ million troops, of which 5+ million were from KMT defectors.

You just said that the KMT govt is weak and the army is incompetent. But most of the troops fighting the Americans in DPRK came from the former KMT army. CCPs have few direct troops and are usually used only as knife troops, such as the 38th army.

he is often caught to be intentionally wrong (typically that is called lying) and when confronted about it he runs like a coward.

 

[Indos]

He is fake Israeli of India origin trying hard to impress.

You should not think this platform is full of South Asian people only, it is actually the most popular defense and geopolitics forum with so much diverse nationality as the members. We cannot see it in Indian Defense Forum despite India has huge diaspora around the world and has more than 1 billion people inside their own country while English can be said their main language in education and businesses.

Many are just lurking but active in other forum as I can see PDF member who use the same name in other forum will be recognized by that forum members, even if that forum is Westerners run forum.

 

[CAPRICORN-88]

With all these current events, the big picture is emerging.

IMO the US strategic planners must have considered BRI by China a serious threat.
Now that the RCEP is officially launched, we will see more and more of these destabilizing geopolitical incidences.

With all the cargo ships stuck at the ports, the goods carried by freight trains from China to EU are rising at new record.

Starting with the fabricated lies of genocides and then forced labors in Xinjiang and now the immediate nation next to it. It is part of a premeditated strategy of disruption and regime changes.

Lithuania sudden tilt to Taiwan and now being cut off from the BRI route, the US did not expects China to be so decisive.
Same applied to Putin action in the breakway Dombass in Ukraine.

The pattern that emerged is so alike, South China Sea, then to Strait of Malacca and now Indian Ocean.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

Coincidentally Russia has just quit from the ISS.

What? What total BS is this? Maybe they said they were pulling out of the Chinese one.


17 December 2021

Roscosmos chief Dmitry Rogozin: We are expecting NASA to formally propose that ISS operation be extended

interfax.com

Roscosmos chief Dmitry Rogozin: We are expecting NASA to formally propose that ISS operation be extended

The United States Will Extend ISS Operations Through 2030

As the world prepares for life without the iconic space station.

interestingengineering.com

NASA Administrator Bill Nelson announced on Dec. 31 that the U.S.'s Biden-Harris Administration has committed to extend the International Space Station's operations through 2030, a press statement from NASA reveals.

 

[CAPRICORN-88]

What? What total BS is this? Maybe they said they were pulling out of the Chinese one.


17 December 2021

Roscosmos chief Dmitry Rogozin: We are expecting NASA to formally propose that ISS operation be extended

interfax.com

Roscosmos chief Dmitry Rogozin: We are expecting NASA to formally propose that ISS operation be extended

Yes. It will be BS for those who either pretend to be naive or simply ignorant of the regional geopolitical affairs.

Coming from the NASA chief it is more of an unrequited love affair but one that is totally out of alignment with the country administration.

The US is truly a nation where its left and right hands are completely out of sync.