Russia Is Deploying The Largest Naval Force Since The Cold War For Syria: NATO Diplomat

[A.P. Richelieu]

says who ? an underwear salesman based in London ?

Plenty of sources keeping track of casualties.
Russia and Assad kills almost 100x more civilians than Coalition Forces in September.

Most of this is nonsense propaganda. The Obama regime has also stated that Russia attacks civilians and hospitals on purpose which is extremely rediculus and makes no sense.

You're also wrong about Russia denying everything, Russia has stated that civilians have been killed.


It's funny that the US and it's cronies blame Russia for attacking hospitals on days Russia has no aircraft in the area. The hosptitals that were supposedly attacked can also not even be named. Russian reporters pressed the US state department for proof of their claims and the state department (which has a history of lying) could not even name those supposed hospitals.

Reminds me of WMD and babies being thrown out of incubators and such. No evidence, just propaganda to sway public opinion.












Those guys beheading the child were photographed weeks after the incident still fighting along other terrorist scum. There was no denouncing, if there were those guys would be in prison or shot which they deserve.


Again, you can blame Russia but who is supporting these terrorists? It's the west and gulf states that are throwing gasoline into the fire. The west and gulf states are destroying a sovereign country, they are supporting an armed invasion and they blame Syria and Russia.


I asked you before, what other solutions are there? Assad leaving will change nothing. Do you propose just giving more arms to the terrorists?

Amnesty International certainly claims that Russia is attacking hospitals.
https://www.amnesty.org/en/countries/middle-east-and-north-africa/syria/report-syria/

The organisation, whose members beheaded the child describes the incident as "human rights abuse"
That is certainly denounciation.
That comment were in multiple newspapers at the time of the incident.
http://www.breitbart.com/national-s...moderate-syrian-rebels-beheading-boy-mistake/

Feel free to show any result of the investigation mentioned.

As for solution, you can certainly fight vs al Nusra/ISIS but You have to do it within the limitations
of the Geneva Convention, and if You continue support for Assad, you assume some responsibility
for his violations as well.

 

[Hack-Hook]

Plenty of sources keeping track of casualties.
Russia and Assad kills almost 100x more civilians than Coalition Forces in September.

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Well as I said the source of that picture is the Underwear salesman based in London as SNHR get its data from SOHR

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

Well as I said the source of that picture is the Underwear salesman based in London as SNHR get its data from SOHR

The persons collecting statistics have an edge over keyboard warriors, without any data at all.

 

[ptldM3]

Plenty of sources keeping track of casualties.
Russia and Assad kills almost 100x more civilians than Coalition Forces in September.

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Amnesty International certainly claims that Russia is attacking hospitals.
https://www.amnesty.org/en/countries/middle-east-and-north-africa/syria/report-syria/

This is what your source said:




"Russia commenced air strikes and sea-launched cruise missile attacks on areas controlled by armed opposition groups and on IS targets, in which hundreds of civilians were killed."



Don't see anything about hospitals or proof it was Russian. Tens of thousands of civilians have died prior to Russian involvement, now it is just convient to blame Russia, esspecially when they embarrassed the US and NATO on a grand scale.

Funny how Saudi bombings of civilians goes ignored then again when Hillary excepts 25 million from the Saudi government and the head of the UN is a Saudi (ironically) preaching about "human rights" and the US and Europe sells billions in weapons to the Saudi government you can expect bias propaganda.



How do these organizations know it is a Russian airstrike or a Syrian airstrike? How do they know it is not the "moderates" firing heavy mortars or MLRS?

The organisation, whose members beheaded the child describes the incident as "human rights abuse"
That is certainly denounciation.
That comment were in multiple newspapers at the time of the incident.
http://www.breitbart.com/national-s...moderate-syrian-rebels-beheading-boy-mistake/

Feel free to show any result of the investigation mentioned.

Oh please, the only thing the US backed terrorist organization is sorry for is that they released video of their atrocity. Here are the same terrorists that beheaded the child.

Zero punishment for their sick crime. Here is the result of those investigations, the medieval apes are free, no one was punished:

As for solution, you can certainly fight vs al Nusra/ISIS but You have to do it within the limitations
of the Geneva Convention, and if You continue support for Assad, you assume some responsibility
for his violations as well.

Isn't this a load of crock? When is the US going to assume responsibility for the Saudis killing thousands on attacks on funerals, hospitals, schools, ect?

Funny thing is that the US is giving the Saudis a free pass on their crimes but have never once condemned the Saudis or the "moderates" shelling civilians in western Aleppo.

 

[Hack-Hook]

The persons collecting statistics have an edge over keyboard warriors, without any data at all.

yeah from underwear shop in London ad his source is anti-Government tweets and websites ran by moderate and extreme beheaders and Cannibals .

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

This is what your source said:




"Russia commenced air strikes and sea-launched cruise missile attacks on areas controlled by armed opposition groups and on IS targets, in which hundreds of civilians were killed."



Don't see anything about hospitals or proof it was Russian. Tens of thousands of civilians have died prior to Russian involvement, now it is just convient to blame Russia, esspecially when they embarrassed the US and NATO on a grand scale.

Funny how Saudi bombings of civilians goes ignored then again when Hillary excepts 25 million from the Saudi government and the head of the UN is a Saudi (ironically) preaching about "human rights" and the US and Europe sells billions in weapons to the Saudi government you can expect bias propaganda.



How do these organizations know it is a Russian airstrike or a Syrian airstrike? How do they know it is not the "moderates" firing heavy mortars or MLRS?


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Oh please, the only thing the US backed terrorist organization is sorry for is that they released video of their atrocity. Here are the same terrorists that beheaded the child.

Zero punishment for their sick crime. Here is the result of those investigations, the medieval apes are free, no one was punished:

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Isn't this a load of crock? When is the US going to assume responsibility for the Saudis killing thousands on attacks on funerals, hospitals, schools, ect?

Funny thing is that the US is giving the Saudis a free pass on their crimes but have never once condemned the Saudis or the "moderates" shelling civilians in western Aleppo.

Photos are not the result of an investigation.
They can be taken anywhere/anytime
The US is not involved in the Saudi campaign,
and hospital bombings have certainly been criticized.

From the Amnesty Web Page:

And from the report on the Medecins Sans Frontieres...

 

[ptldM3]

Photos and are not the result of an investigation.
They can be taken anywhere/anytime

The child beheaders have posted photos of themselves on Facebook and Twitter after the beheading in which they are scott free. You can live in denial all you want and believe in your fantasy investigations.

The US is not involved in the Saudi campaign,
and hospital bombings have certainly been criticized.

You have a short memory, It was you who said Russia should take responsibility for bombings that Syria commits because Russia supports Syria so why should the US not take responsibility for the Saudis killing civilians in Yemen?

The US has also excused Saudi bombings of civilians, take a look at what the state departments said after journalists criticized Saudi Arabia, they just brushed it off as an accident and said that the Saudis are "investigating". Seem all those investigations (which we know there aren't any) don't mean jack when the Saudis continue to kill thousands of civilians.

From the Amnesty Web Page:


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And from the report on the Medecins Sans Frontieres...

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Again there is zero proof it was Russia, just aligations. Again there is no way to differentiate Russian bombs, Syrian bombs or terrorists mortars or MLRSs.


Recent revelations came out that Hilary Clinton payed 36 journalists to report in her favor, would it surprise me if other organizations were payed to report things in the favor of the US? No...weki leaks has uncovered mass corruption and media manipulation on behalf of the United States.

Again we have zero evidence linking Russia. It's just as easy for Russia to blame NATO coalition aircraft for supposed hospital bombings.



Russia claims Belgian aircraft bombed civilians in Aleppo:

http://m.dw.com/en/russia-accuses-belgium-of-bombing-civilian-targets-in-syria/a-36110281

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

yeah from underwear shop in London ad his source is anti-Government tweets and websites ran by moderate and extreme beheaders and Cannibals .

Feel free to refute any of the documented killings.

The child beheaders have posted photos of themselves on Facebook and Twitter after the beheading in which they are scott free. You can live in denial all you want and believe in your fantasy investigations.







You have a short memory, It was you who said Russia should take responsibility for bombings that Syria commits because Russia supports Syria so why should the US not take responsibility for the Saudis killing civilians in Yemen?

The US has also excused Saudi bombings of civilians, take a look at what the state departments said after journalists criticized Saudi Arabia, they just brushed it off as an accident and said that the Saudis are "investigating". Seem all those investigations (which we know there aren't any) don't mean jack when the Saudis continue to kill thousands of civilians.












Again there is zero proof it was Russia, just aligations. Again there is no way to differentiate Russian bombs, Syrian bombs or terrorists mortars or MLRSs.


Recent revelations came out that Hilary Clinton payed 36 journalists to report in her favor, would it surprise me if other organizations were payed to report things in the favor of the US? No...weki leaks has uncovered mass corruption and media manipulation on behalf of the United States.

Again we have zero evidence linking Russia. It's just as easy for Russia to blame NATO coalition aircraft for supposed hospital bombings.



Russia claims Belgian aircraft bombed civilians in Aleppo:

http://m.dw.com/en/russia-accuses-belgium-of-bombing-civilian-targets-in-syria/a-36110281

Any claims the Medecins sans Frontieres and Amnesty are selling out.
I doubt that.
Russian propaganda has been proven to lie over and over again.

The level of Russian support to Assad is very different from the US support for Saudis.
You want to hide behind the possibility that it was the Assad or anyone else that do the crimes.
MSF accuses Both Russia and Assad, that is good enough for me.

 

[Penguin]

Now we know why Russia invaded the Donbass areea: it wants Ukrainian coal mines to power up its naval fleet.

Steam powered turbines don't mean coal fired boilers. Kuznetsov runs on mazut, a heavy, low quality fuel oil. Mazut is much like Number 6 Oil, and is part of the products left over after gasoline and lighter components are evaporated from the crude oil. Hence In the West, it is commonly called "waste oil". This product is typically used for larger boilers in producing steam since the BTU content is high. Mazut is almost exclusively manufactured in the Russian Federation, Kazakhstan, Azerbaijan, and Turkmenistan.

Gasturbines required better quality fuels. Gas turbines accept most commercial fuels, such as petrol, natural gas, propane, diesel, and kerosene as well as renewable fuels such as E85, biodiesel and biogas. like marine diesel. Diesels engines too burn ... marine diesel. In the Western Europe, mazut is blended or broken down with the end product being diesel.

http://petroleumdealz.com/products/mazut-m100-gost-1058575-1058599/

Marine Diesel Oil (MDO) is a type of fuel oil and is a blend of gasoil and heavy fuel oil, it is also called "Distillate Marine Diesel"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marine_diesel_oil
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuel_oil

Coal could be relevant for the production of SYNTHETIC fuel though (but this is relatively expensive)

"Synthetic fuel or synfuel is a liquid fuel, or sometimes gaseous fuel, obtained from syngas, a mixture of carbon monoxide and hydrogen, in which the syngas was derived from gasification of solid feedstocks such as coal or biomass or by reforming of natural gas."
"The economics of synthetic fuel manufacture vary greatly depending the feedstock used, the precise process employed, site characteristics such as feedstock and transportation costs, and the cost of additional equipment required to control emissions. The examples described below indicate a wide range of production costs between $20/BBL for large-scale gas-to-liquids, to as much as $240/BBL for small-scale biomass-to-liquids + Carbon Capture and Sequestration."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synthetic_fuel

 

[Penguin]

In an attempt to get back ON TOPIC......

This article fits with what I was saying in post 44 or thereabouts on the relevance of the flotilla sailing to Syria.
http://observer.com/2016/10/there-is-a-no-fly-zone-in-syria-one-russia-created/

WOULD YOU PEOPLE PLEASE STOP TAKING THREADS OFF TOPIC!!!

THE TOPIC OF THIS THREAD IS :

Russia Is Deploying The Largest Naval Force Since The Cold War For Syria: NATO Diplomat

So kindly take your debate elswhere if it does not directly relate to the deployment of these Russian ships to Syria.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

Hey the carrier has made it it to the Mediterranean...9th day of this thread so far.

https://www.rt.com/news/364957-shoigu-warships-naval-сarrier/

Russian battle group reaches Mediterranean after ‘causing stir’ in the West (VIDEO)
Published time: 1 Nov, 2016 13:16

A Russian naval group, headed by the Admiral Kuznetsov aircraft carrier and the battle cruiser Peter the Great, has made its way into the Mediterranean, causing quite a stir in the West, the Russian Defense Ministry said.
Moscow has been surprised by the countries that have denied Russia’s warships entry to their ports, Russian Defense Minister Sergey Shoigu said, adding that ‘Western colleagues’ need to decide who they are actually fight against – terrorists or Russia.

“The movement of our ships has caused a stir among our Western partners,” Shoigu said on Tuesday.

“But the most surprising thing was the position of certain countries that, under pressure from the US and NATO, have publicly refused our warships entry to their ports.”

“It did not affect the schedule of their movement along the chosen route, as they had been provided with all the necessary resources,” he added.

The defense minister noted that the decisions of some countries to deny Russian ships entry to Western ports has demonstrated how, in fact, “our partners understand their contribution to the fight against international terrorism in Syria.”

“It is time for our Western colleagues to decide who they are actually fighting – terrorists or Russia. As one poet once said, ‘one cannot sit on one and the same place on different trains,’” Shoigu added.

....

[ read the rest on the site as my copy and paste isn't working that well]

 

[500]

Most of this is nonsense propaganda. The Obama regime has also stated that Russia attacks civilians and hospitals on purpose which is extremely rediculus and makes no sense.

Assad aka Putin aka Khamenai main strategy is ethnic cleansing and genocide. It makes perfect sense.

You're also wrong about Russia denying everything, Russia has stated that civilians have been killed.

Russia drops unguided thermobaric and incendiary clusters in populated areas but never admitted a single civilian casualty. They always divert and lie like that do in case of MH17.

It's funny that the US and it's cronies blame Russia for attacking hospitals on days Russia has no aircraft in the area.

They lie about it too.

Those guys beheading the child were photographed weeks after the incident still fighting along other terrorist scum. There was no denouncing, if there were those guys would be in prison or shot which they deserve.

He was Assad's soldier from Homs which invaded Aleppo.

Again, you can blame Russia but who is supporting these terrorists?

Assad aka Putin aka Khamenai commit worse atrocities since WW2 in Syria:

1) Industrial scale torture.
2) Daily indiscriminate bombings.
3) Terrible massacres of civilians.
4) Scorched earth policies, targeting infrastructures.
5) Starvation of cities as warfare method.
6) Gassing civilians.
7) Burning civilians.

etc etc and while Assad is doing it to stay in power, Putin is doing it just to distract public attention from his failed economy.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...er-turkey-downs-one-of-its-jets-a6749041.html

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34976537

These pics are very misleading. The earth is round, not flat, there are mountains. S-400 needs LOS to shoot down anything. For low flying jet its range will shrink to some 30 km. And I also highly doubt that 400 km range rockets are actually operational.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

Satellite shot of it being refueled.

12 days..and it still hasn't reached Syria...should be any time now.