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I don't know about Pakistan, but an aircraft carrier fits as much in Iran's military doctrine as a dodo in a football match.

As for Russia's next aircraft carrier...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_23000E


Yes you are right to some extent. Iran will find it hard to maintain such a huge warship like an aircraft carrier, since it costs billions just to maintain and service each year . Plus as you said, it doesn't seem to fit Iran's asymmetric warfare capabilities, and Iran doesn't have a big naval force to project power abroad, so an aircraft carrier doesn't fit Iran's war doctrine at all. I think the only big country that would have needed and could have afforded one is India.But they already have a carrier in the works.
 
F-22 is only for US, many nations have Aircraft Carriers.

Many nation have many ships Corvettes Destroyers and Frigates even Submarine to support Aircraft Carrier
Does Pakistan have the money to make such battle Group ??? NO
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Many nation have many ships Corvettes Destroyers and Frigates even Submarine to support Aircraft Carrier
Does Pakistan have the money to make such battle Group ??? NO
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They will need to.
 
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Largest Russian naval force deployment since end of the cold war:
1 Stobar CV (Admiral Kuznetsov) >> AAW/ASuW, land attack.
1 CGN (Pyotr Veliky) >> AAW ship, with significant AShW capability
2 DD (The Udaloys Severomorsk and Vice-Admiral Kulakov) >> ASW escorts
4 Support ships (including 1 ocean tug)
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I don't know about Pakistan, but an aircraft carrier fits as much in Iran's military doctrine as a dodo in a football match.

As for Russia's next aircraft carrier...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_23000E
E denotes export ?
 
E denotes export ?
Well, apparently they have offered it to India... but I hardly think they would start the entire project for export. After all, its not like the world is overladen with buyers for nuclear powered 100,000 ton supercarriers...
 
Well, apparently they have offered it to India... but I hardly think they would start the entire project for export. After all, its not like the world is overladen with buyers for nuclear powered 100,000 ton supercarriers...

Yes, if we are to believe Russian state media, it has been offered to India:
https://www.rt.com/news/334142-india-aircraf-carrier-tender/
https://sputniknews.com/military/201607121042825073-india-russia-shtorm-aircraft-carrier/

I very much doubt this is a Russian navy project. Krylov may have pitched a design, but that doesn't mean it is adopted by the Russian navy as a project. There is the issue of where/how such a large vessel COULD be built in Russia. Also, note below the 2 names and plurals used:

Russia's Defense Ministry may sign a contract for the construction of a new aircraft carrier by the end of 2025, Deputy Defense Minister Yuri Borisov said 19 May 2016. "It will most likely happen by the end of 2025. We have three projects that have been proposed by the Krylov [research] center. Overall, they are not bad," Borisov told reporters at the ongoing HeliRussia-2016 helicopter exhibition in Moscow. The Krylov State Research Centre is a major Russian ship research and design institution focusing on hi-tech products and services for navy and maritime merchant clients.

Anatoly Shlemov, the head of the Defense Procurement and Acquisition department of Russia's United Shipbuilding Corporation said that the St. Petersburg-based Nevskoe Design Bureau has been working on designs for a nuclear-powered aircraft carrier ordered by the Defense Ministry since 2007. The costs and timeframes have been set, he said, adding that the project has not gone ahead due to lack of funds allocated by Russia's defense procurement budget until 2017. Earlier, a Defense Ministry source told RIA Novosti that the government armament program does not provide for ordering an aircraft carrier by 2020, and the matter will not be decided until then.

Krylov State Research Center (KRSC) came up with a scale model of a new aircraft carrier known as 23000E Shtorm (Storm), daily newspaper Rossiyskaya Gazeta reported 14 May 2015.

In addition to aircraft carriers built for the Russian Navy, the developers created an import version of the ship, which might be extremely interesting to many foreign customers. The ship's power plant will be either a conventional power plant or a nuclear one, depending on potential customers' requirements, Rossiyskaya Gazeta said.
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Like every Soviet aircraft carrier before it, Kuznetsov was constructed in the Nikolayev 444 shipyards, located in Ukraine. Russia does not have shipbuilding capacity for a vessel larger than 60,000 tons. "One of their biggest initial problems is that Russia doesn't have any history in building aircraft carriers because the carriers the Soviet Union built were all built in Ukraine," Dmitry Gorenburg, an expert in the Russian navy at the Virginia-based CNA Corporation told The Moscow Times 24 March 2015.

No Russian dry dock exists that can house such a large carrier. Either one would have to be built, or they will have to attempt to build two halves of the ship in different yards and then weld them together at Sevmash, Russia's largest military shipyard, which has a deep basin nearby that could work for such a task, Gorenburg said.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/russia/23000.htm
 
Largest Russian naval force deployment since end of the cold war:
1 Stobar CV (Admiral Kuznetsov) >> AAW/ASuW, land attack.
1 CGN (Pyotr Veliky) >> AAW ship, with significant AShW capability
2 DD (The Udaloys Severomorsk and Vice-Admiral Kulakov) >> ASW escorts
4 Support ships (including 1 ocean tug)
:coffee:

"Putin's flagship was accompanied by the nuclear-powered missile cruiser Peter the Great and six other surface vessels including the world's biggest ocean going tug, the Nicolay Chiker. "
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...h-Channel-TODAY-way-launch-strikes-Syria.html

Russian Navy Tug Nikolay Chiker was noted sending a Morse weather message during 12Z back to HQ Northern Fleet. It is just standard international weather and includes the lat long, heading and speed.
12464 Kilohertz RIT DE RAL48 24121 99421 70104 22242 @1213Z
Breaks to
42.1N 10.4W Heading South at 6-10 Knots

Tug Nikolay Chiker
https://www.vesselfinder.com/vessels/NIKOLAY-CHIKER-IMO-8613334-MMSI-273531629

Current location: of the coast of Portugal
https://www.vesselfinder.com/?imo=8613334
http://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/home/shipid:4404011/zoom:10

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So, aside from Kuznetsov and Velikiy and the pair of Udaloys, there is tug Chiker and another tug and 3 supply ships and submarine. They are heading towards two corvettes Putin has recalled from the Mediterranean. But it is inconsistent in the news:
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So I'm still on two cruisers, two destroyers, 2 tugs and 2 suppliers.

The other Tug: Ingul-Class Salvage Tug, possibly Alatau (Алатау) №02672 (though that is Pacific fleet)
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Dutch navy took a peek
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Largest Russian naval force deployment since end of the cold war:
1 Stobar CV (Admiral Kuznetsov) >> AAW/ASuW, land attack.
1 CGN (Pyotr Veliky) >> AAW ship, with significant AShW capability
2 DD (The Udaloys Severomorsk and Vice-Admiral Kulakov) >> ASW escorts
4 Support ships (including 1 ocean tug)

You missed one:

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A Delta IV was photographed in the Norwegian Sea by the Norwegian Air Force transiting with the rest of the task group, which includes the ships you mentioned.

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Yes, if we are to believe Russian state media, it has been offered to India:
https://www.rt.com/news/334142-india-aircraf-carrier-tender/
https://sputniknews.com/military/201607121042825073-india-russia-shtorm-aircraft-carrier/

I very much doubt this is a Russian navy project. Krylov may have pitched a design, but that doesn't mean it is adopted by the Russian navy as a project. There is the issue of where/how such a large vessel COULD be built in Russia. Also, note below the 2 names and plurals used:


http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/russia/23000.htm
Now that they have Crimea can't they built it there ?
 
You missed one:

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A Delta IV was photographed in the Norwegian Sea by the Norwegian Air Force transiting with the rest of the task group, which includes the ships you mentioned.

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No, it wasnt initially reported. plus, some reports showed kilo so there was some confusion as to type.
Now that they have Crimea can't they built it there ?
Nikolayev shipyard isnt in crimea peninsula but in ukraine mainland.
 
Well that shipyard was built by USSR so they can build a new one , I guess their problem was access to railroad and electricity and more about logistic that they did not a shipyard in for example Kamchatka, now that they have Crimea I don't think know anything will stop Putin from building a big shipyard there.
No, it wasnt initially reported. plus, some reports showed kilo so there was some confusion as to type.

Nikolayev shipyard isnt in crimea peninsula but in ukraine mainland.
specially that this annexing scenario harmed Crimea economy a lot and a shipyard can be a big help for that region and for Russia it can be a new blood for their aging Navy.
 
We have been seeing the the behave of a single super power since 1980.
 
Well that shipyard was built by USSR so they can build a new one , I guess their problem was access to railroad and electricity and more about logistic that they did not a shipyard in for example Kamchatka, now that they have Crimea I don't think know anything will stop Putin from building a big shipyard there.specially that this annexing scenario harmed Crimea economy a lot and a shipyard can be a big help for that region and for Russia it can be a new blood for their aging Navy.

NOT built by the USSR, its much older! It's been building battleships / dreadnoughts since 1904

Mykolaiv Shipyard may refer to three shipyards in the Ukrainian city of Mykolaiv or Nikolayev. The North and South yards were also known as the Andre Marti yards in early Soviet times :
  • Black Sea Shipyard - also known as Nikolayev South Shipyard, Soviet Shipyard No. 444 and Shipyard No. 198, where most of the biggest Soviet warships were built
  • Shipyard named after 61 Communards - also known as Nikolaev North Shipyard and Soviet Shipyard No. 200, constructs smaller naval vessels
  • Okean Shipyard - a merchant shipyard
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mykolaiv_Shipyard

Shipyard named after 61 Communards is a major shipyard located in Mykolaiv, Ukraine. In modern times, the shipyard has been most commonly referred to as Nikolaev North Shipyard but was also known as Soviet Shipyard No. 200.

In 1788, the Nikolaev Admiralty shipyard was founded on the banks of the Ingul river approximately 55 miles (89 km) inland from the Black Sea. The following year the first 44-cannon frigate The St. Nicholas was launched. Subsequently, a series of battleships were constructed to defend south borders of Russian Empire.

In 1851, Admiral M.P. Lazarev ordered the first considerable reconstruction of the shipyard. Between 1856 and 1867, a series of battleships were constructed.

In 1910 the government decided to stop building battleships and close the shipyard, but it was reopened in the following year as the French-owned Russian Shipbuilding Corporation (Russud). The name Russud comes from combining the word Russian and the word Sudostroitel'nyj (lit. Shipbuilding).

Between 1911 and 1914, two building berths with slip-ways, an assembling and welding workshop, a number of buildings and an outfitting wharf were built on the left bank of the Ingul River.

Early in the Soviet era, the shipyard was renamed to the Andre Marti (North) Yard. In 1931, the shipyard was named after 61 Communards. From then on, torpedo-boats, destroyers, light cruisers, submarines; naval supply vessels, including rescue vessels of various purposes equipped with deep-water operation systems were built.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shipyard_named_after_61_Communards

The Black Sea Shipyardis located in Mykolaiv, Ukraine and is the largest shipyard with near direct access to the Black Sea. It is most often referred to as the Nikolayev South Shipyard and was known as Soviet Shipyard No. 444. The shipyard constructed the Moskva-class helicopter ships, Kiev-class and Kuznetsov-class aircraft carrying cruisers, naval auxiliaries, commercial ships, and submarines. They also began construction on the abortive Stalingrad-class battlecruiser cancelled after Stalin's death in 1953

HISTORY

On August 27, 1789, Prince Grigori Aleksandrovich Potemkin signed an order to construct a shipyard at the mouth of the river Inhul. The shipyard, simply called New Shipyard on the Ingul river, was to serve for the repair of the Russian Navy ships in the Russo-Turkish war.

Later, Potemkin ordered the shipyard to be named Nikolaev, to commemorate the fall of the Turkish fortress Ozi-Cale (today Ochakiv) to the Russian troops under his command on December 6, 1788, on the day of Saint Nicholas (patron saint of seafarers)– according to the Russian Orthodox Church calendar.

In 1897, the shipyard was established as the Nikolayev Shipbuilding, Mechanical, and Iron Works––a Belgian-owned enterprise. By 1898, it was constructing ships including the battleship Potemkin.

Early in the Soviet era, the shipyard was renamed to the Andre Marti (South) Yard (Shipyard No. 198). During these early years, the yard constructed surface warships and Dekabrist-class submarines.

In January 1938, the Chairman of the People’s Commissar Council, declared the following:
Our mighty Soviet power must have such sea and ocean fleet that would comply with her interests and would be worthy of our great mission.
— V.M. Molotov
It was then the government introduced the 10-year Big Shipbuilding Program. The plan included the construction of battleships and heavy cruisers which would represent the ocean might and strength of the country.

On October 19, 1940, the government decided to terminate battleship and heavy cruiser construction. It was ordered to concentrate all their efforts on small-size and medium-size warships building. However, the completion of ships of various classes, laid before, continued. On the whole, the Soviet shipbuilding was once again re-directed for submarines and light surface ships construction. Nevertheless, By the 1950s, an estimated 65 Whiskey-class submarines, the Sverdlov-class light cruisers, and the Stalingrad-class battlecruiser were built.

During the 1960s, the Moskva-class helicopter carriers and the Kiev-class VSTOL aircraft carrying cruisers were constructed. The Kiev-class Admiral Gorshkov was launched in 1982 and later in 1985 the Admiral Kuznetsov was launched. The Admiral Kuznetsov's hull design is based on the Admiral Gorshkov but is larger with a full load displacement, 58,500 tons as compared to Admiral Gorshkov's 40,400 tons. KH-11 satellite photographs of the construction of the Admiral Kuznetsov were leaked to Jane's Defense Weekly in 1985 by Samuel Loring Morison, a naval intelligence analyst with the U.S. Navy.

Commercial ships and naval auxiliaries were, and continue to be constructed there. Commercial ships are primarily dry-cargo ships, fish-factory ships, and large trawlers. In the late 1970s, the shipyard constructed two large trawlers for the State Committee of Fisheries of Ukraine.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Sea_Shipyard

Coordinates: 46°56'43"N 31°58'12"E

Chernomorskiy Shipyard (The Black Sea Shipyard, Russian: Черноморский судостроительный завод) is located in Nikolaev, Ukraine and is the largest shipyard with near direct access to the Black Sea. It is most often referred to as the Nikolayev South Shipyard and was known as Soviet Shipyard No. 444.

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Map http://wikimapia.org/#lang=en&lat=46.945575&lon=31.970215&z=13&m=b

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yes guess so. They should sell this old Rusty carrier to Iran or Pakistan who will welcome it and get a new one.I am sure they don't need that long to revive their carrier program/building , Afterall, even the Chinese are now building their first ever aircraft carrier after buying the old soviet era Carrier Varyag and studying/learning from it to build theirs today.

If in future Pakistan ever wanted an ACC then China will be the provider and 1st one can be Liaoning. :)
 

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