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Russia India joint fifth generation project comes to an end: Report
9 Apr, 2018


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MOSCOW - India Russia programme for co-developing a fifth generation fighter aircraft has come to an end owing to the high costs involved in the project.

The technology of the plane was not worth the money involved in it and it would have been much inferior to the American F-22 Raptor and the F-35 fifth generation planes.

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However Russia has offered India used MiG-29s.Although Mig 29s are flown by the Indian Air Force and the pilots are familiar with it but the ones offered by the Russians are different from the ones in the Indian inventory. "We will have to be cautious to ensure that the planes don't become a maintenance nightmare for us in the future as they are different in many ways," the sources said.

The Indian Navy also operates the MiG-29 'K' and is the only operator of this version of the plane and is having a rough experience with the planes which are difficult to maintain and their settings change immediately after they land on the aircraft carrier.

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The Air Force has three squadrons of the MiG-29s which have been undergoing upgrades for an extended life and are considered to be very good planes in the air defence roles.

However, ministry sources said the planes can also help in arresting the fall of number of squadrons in the Air Force which has been demanding new aircraft for meeting its sanctioned strength of 42 squadrons.

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Unless new planes are bought, the numbers could drop from the current 32 to 29 in 2027 and less in the 2030s. This is despite the 36 Rafale fighters that the Modi government has bought and the six squadrons of the indigenous Tejas or Light Combat Aircraft that the IAF will have by 2032.

Currently, the IAF's fighter strength includes six squadrons of the deep penetration strike Jaguars, three squadrons of the MiG-29, three squadrons of the Mirage-2000, 12 squadrons of the Sukhoi-30MKI, two squadrons of the MiG-27 and 11 squadrons of the various kinds of MiG-21s, including the revamped Bisons. By 2022, however, only one of these MiG-21 squadrons will be left.
 
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The specific project may have ended but I bet they will still come up with an FGFA equivalent/follow up 'in spirit'.
 
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So much hype and chest thumping by Indians and then nothing. Pakistan will probably make it's first Fifth Gen Fighter before India does.
Dealing with Russians isn't the same as dealing with Americans or Chinese. You have to pay them upfront and no loans/credits will be offered. IAF wanted an equal share not just in sharing the costs but also the development. If they wouldn't allow us to participate in the project nor let our pilots fly the planes, how could we even take this to the next level. It would pretty much mean we are just purchasing them and may setup an assembly line like the MKI. It is better to invest that money in AMCA by involving our private sector and research universities
 
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Dealing with Russians isn't the same as dealing with Americans or Chinese. You have to pay them upfront and no loans/credits will be offered. IAF wanted an equal share not just in sharing the costs but also the development. If they wouldn't allow us to participate in the project nor let our pilots fly the planes, how could we even take this to the next level. It would pretty much mean we are just purchasing them and may setup an assembly line like the MKI. It is better to invest that money in AMCA by involving our private sector and research universities

All Indian hype and chest thumping must now be diverted to AMCA I suppose.
 
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Timesofislamabad doing journalism as usual.

Literally copied the Sputnik (edit: India Today) article on Mig29 and added new title and new first sentence. This is done too often that this site should be banned here.

Or there'll be lawsuits.

So much hype and chest thumping by Indians and then nothing. Pakistan will probably make it's first Fifth Gen Fighter before India does.
This has been a possibility for years now. J31 will become Azm. But it's not enough to make a difference.
 
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Timesofislamabad doing journalism as usual.

Literally copied the Sputnik article on Mig29 and added new title and new first sentence. This is done too often that this site should be banned here.

Or there'll be lawsuits.


This has been a possibility for years now. J31 will become Azm. But it's not enough to make a difference.
Could you provide a link to the sputnik article then, please?
 
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My bad. It wasn't Sputnik, but an India Today one.
https://www.indiatoday.in/mail-toda...india-wary-of-hidden-costs-1207247-2018-04-08

A paragraph omitted from the article and then the last para was made into first para.

The para about FGFA in even India Today is wrong. There has been no rejection yet.
Right, that's the article I found as well. Using the following website, I compared the contents of the two sites and I agree that the Times of Islamabad did plagiarise a large amount from India today:
https://www.prepostseo.com/plagiarism-comparison-search

I don't think the FGFA deal has been rejected either but the Indian Airforce doesn't seem keen on inducting it, according to the Hindustan Times:
https://www.hindustantimes.com/indi...with-russia/story-17X10snonrs4A6FwOJAxOI.html
 
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Make sense as India already have Tejass once ready will be at par with F22 and F35.

True. Since India plan to counter J-20 with LCA.

India will be focus on AMCA. But it would be tough as India plan to use FGFA tech transfer to build AMCA as India has no reverse engineering ability. India engineers needs lots of spoon feeding.
 
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