Russia getting angry at China for copying there military hardware

[tvsram1992]

LOL. It took you 40 years for you to copy the mirage and in 2055 I'm sure the AMCA will be a great F 35 copy with non functioning radar and imported engines. When Indians can come up with an operational copy of a almost half decade old plane call me.

Actually the LCA will be used in war...against naxals when they crash into their villages.

No dude LCA 1st flight 2001 and we didnt get enough fundings by late 90's , so u can say we took same 10 years as you took to make J20.
Dont worry dude we are getting a copy of Grippen by 2014, Rafale by 2017
Yes the LCA is for same purpose as J10 whose purpose is nothing but to shoot down Tibet extremists.
Now stop trolling as mods may take action .

 

[DALAI LAMA 4477]

People saying that the JF-17 is a copy of the MiG-33 seriously need glasses.

no brother dr somnath 999 doesnt need glasses as he is stating what is shown in internet & he had also given the link to support his claim ,but u cant see it as u eyes have become biased as ur country wants to buy that plane

 

[danger007]

when some uneducated indians going desperate they'd come up anything``those people even believe india can 'indeginously' make 3rd gen plane (they cant even produce reliable 5.56mm and 5.45mm caliber rounds) so no common sense and reality can get through their funny brains`

and on top of that all the planes look the sames in their naked eyes except their super doper mirage and SAAB copy of LCA

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and the reason is poor indians cannot afford expensive made in china products``fact

are you kidding, why i will waste 4500/- for no warranty piece. i don't have to buy that because its" made in china.

 

[Zabaniyah]

no brother dr somnath 999 doesnt need glasses as he is stating what is shown in internet & he had also given the link to support his claim

So, you believe everything on the Internet? Interesting. You do realize that he edited them himself?

See how differently the engines are positioned? The wing layout is also different.

China only purchased the design and test data for the MiG-33 from Russia. That does not mean that the JF-17 is a copy. Or perhaps you don't understand what the term 'copy' means?

but u cant see it as u eyes have become biased as ur country wants to buy that plane

The bias goes to you due to your hatred of anything Chinese.

And for your information, BAF is not really interested in the JF-17. It is only a candidate for the program. Being said that, it doesn't mean we are going to buy it.

And besides, FC-1 export revenues are shared between the Chinese and Pakistanis on a 50/50 basis. If the Russians were concerned, they would've certainly raised voice like the J-11B issue. But in case of the FC-1, they didn't.

 

[DALAI LAMA 4477]

when some uneducated indians going desperate they'd come up anything``those people even believe india can 'indeginously' make 3rd gen plane (they cant even produce reliable 5.56mm and 5.45mm caliber rounds) so no common sense and reality can get through their funny brains`

and on top of that all the planes look the sames in their naked eyes except their super doper mirage and SAAB copy of LCA

hey man when an indian shows the true face of ur aircraft industry u guys have pain in your a**es .It hurts ur false ego ,& u cant tolerate it .
Instead to satisfy ur bruised ego u guys attack india with these B.S claims that LCA is a copy of mirage ,Even a blind man can say that lCA is not a copy of mirage .

and the reason is poor indians cannot afford expensive made in china products``fact

this is the biggest joke of the planet ,Hey man if chinese product are expensive not even a dog would buy ur products .

 

[desimorty]

Russian weapons have very bad reputation in PLAAF and Navy force..even though they are powerful and tough, but very user unfreindly, clumsy and very shirt life-span like their engines```so even their weapon seems much cheapter than western ones but when it comes to life-time maintainance cost it becomes very high...on top of that it is also provided very poor and unprofessional support services.

therefore countries like India and China has to figure out a way to maintain their Mig and Su fleet```but they chose the different path```India contract local suppliers like HAL to providing spare parts, and China contract local institutions to reverse enginiering it and improve the reliability.

then we see two different pictures here``on one hand due to the poor quality spare parts produced by Indian local suppliers, IAF has the world highest Russian plane crashing rate, whereas China has the leaset. and also due to the heavy reliance of foreign techs and parts, Indian areo industry still cannot produce a plane without any foreign support (perfect example LCA)
and after 40 years reverse enginiering China has built a competent areo industry, their indeginous J-10, J-20, J-2x, FC-1 and JH-7s are perfect examples.

during 1980s China imported quite few western and american weapon systems, but hardly see any 'copies' of them``like the Americans UH-60 Black Hawk, French Aerospatiale Gazelle and Eurocopter Fennec (China joint developed with france Z-9) as we do not need to

Don't make up bullsh1te. trying to troll again. Russian spare parts are terrible? they are spare parts problem is logistical support from the vendor. Poor quality spare parts in India caused high crash rates? STFU! aside for the Mig-21 who use Kapton cables we have seen more Flankers go missing in China than in India. Your aircraft like the J-11 still relay on Russian engines, hence why you still order Russian engines.
FYI its not the quality of the ******* parts you dumb moron. they are metal bolts and small LRU off the assembly line. The problem being cost vs time of delivery.
So stop your BS. I find it amazing how Chinese posters will make up BS because your PLA keeps you in the dark.

 

[DALAI LAMA 4477]

lol. The LCA that has to use foreign radars, engines, missiles, and a slightly modified 40 year old french design that the french themselves had to help you with.

Thats some real quality there.

well every nations 1st prototype plane has some foreign components didnt ur Jf17 block 1 & J10 A had nt foreign components like russian engines ,radar ,well pl12 a had russian seeker .

 

[Zabaniyah]

Don't make up bullsh1te. trying to troll again. Russian spare parts are terrible? they are spare parts problem is logistical support from the vendor. Poor quality spare parts in India caused high crash rates? STFU! aside for the Mig-21 who use Kapton cables we have seen more Flankers go missing in China than in India. Your aircraft like the J-11 still relay on Russian engines, hence why you still order Russian engines.
FYI its not the quality of the ******* parts you dumb moron. they are metal bolts and small LRU off the assembly line. The problem being cost vs time of delivery.
So stop your BS. I find it amazing how Chinese posters will make up BS because your PLA keeps you in the dark.

You are right, Russian spares and equipment are generally very reliable and robust as always. The only problem is getting them delivered on time. So, it is more of a logistical issue. Remember the MiG-29s being a 'logistical nightmare' to take care of. The former is the very reason.

 

[tanlixiang28776]

1st of all u duplicate false flagger u tell me how many decades are you guys going to take to build a weapon completely of your own without copying from other countries

When are Indians going to finish copying 40 year old designs?

 

[DALAI LAMA 4477]

LOL. It took you 40 years for you to copy the mirage and in 2055 I'm sure the AMCA will be a great F 35 copy with non functioning radar and imported engines. When Indians can come up with an operational copy of a almost half decade old plane call me.

Actually the LCA will be used in war...against naxals when they crash into their villages.

u should thank god that the indians are not as good copycats as u guys ,if they started to copy & steal technology like u guys then u would start crying

 

[desimorty]

You are right, Russian spares and equipment are generally very reliable and robust as always. The only problem is getting them delivered on time. So, it is more of a logistical issue. Remember the MiG-29s being a 'logistical nightmare' to take care of. The former is the very reason.

Seeing as the Falcrums don't have Kapton, I think they should fare well in the future. There are also a large number of stockpile of spareparts, if your willing to risk it from Soviet warehouses on Migs that were not completed or airworthy. That being said, the fact that Russia has opted for Mig-29k units for their AC aside for the MLU Falcrums will ensure there future. BAF should opt for upgraded their falcrums in due time. It would be more prudent than buying new aircraft.

 

[DALAI LAMA 4477]

When are Indians going to finish copying 40 year old designs?

Two of the Indian Aeronautical Development Agency's Tejas Mk 1 light combat aircraft will be ready for induction by March 2012.So far, 1,659 flight tests of the Tejas have been conducted, said defence minister A K Antony. The Indian air force has ordered 40 Mk 1s, 20 with "initial operating clearance standard" and 20 with "final operation clearance standard", he added.
Antony's comments were in response to a query from a member of parliament about the status of the indigenous fighter programme. The Tejas Mk 1, which is produced by Hindustan Aeronautics, received initial operational clearance on 11 January.He also discussed the costs of the program.In 2001, this was estimated at Indian rupees 33 billion ($740 million), but cost overruns added an additional Rs24.8 billion to this."The additional cost was to meet the expanded scope of the programme, increased cost of materials, manpower, and maintenance of facilities," Antony said.Separately, a two-seat prototype of anaval version of the Tejas Mk 1 could have its first flight within the next three months.The General Electric F404-IN20-powered aircraft is undergoing ground integration tests at HAL's facility in Bengaluru, said a senior official involved in the programme.


here is the link u see it urself
India

 

[DALAI LAMA 4477]

So, you believe everything on the Internet? Interesting. You do realize that he edited them himself?

See how differently the engines are positioned? The wing layout is also different.

China only purchased the design and test data for the MiG-33 from Russia. That does not mean that the JF-17 is a copy. Or perhaps you don't understand what the term 'copy' means?

brother i am not saying he is right ,he may be right or he may be wrong ,but the fact russia did sell MiG-33 designs and that reason they actually develop JF17 , it's china's global image as a copycat strenthens the view that jf 17 is a copy of mig 33. yes i agree they modify it but Russia mig has helped them a lot in jf17 u cant deny it.

The bias goes to you due to your hatred of anything Chinese.

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well if really ur not biased then why dont u say a word against chinese when a chinese claim lca is a copy of mirage even if u know it's bull S***,instead u start attacking an indian even if he is telling what's posted in net .though it may be false.

 

[Zabaniyah]

brother i am not saying he is right ,he may be right or he may be wrong,

Oh, so now it's a 'maybe'

but the fact russia did sell MiG-33 designs and that reason they actually develop JF17 , it's china's global image as a copycat strenthens the view that jf 17 is a copy of mig 33. yes i agree they modify it but Russia mig has helped them a lot in jf17 u cant deny it.

Wrong. The M1 Abrams for example was developed with German help. Does that mean it is a copy of the Leopard 2? No.

Both the Abrams and Leopard 2 come from a common ancestor.
MBT-70 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

well if really ur not biased then why dont u say a word against chinese when a chinese claim lca is a copy of mirage even if u know it's bull S***,instead u start attacking an indian even if he is telling what's posted in net .though it may be false.

Wouldn't say it's a copy of the Mirage-2000. The LCA is not yet in service, so can't say anything about it now.

 

[rcrmj]

Don't make up bullsh1te. trying to troll again. Russian spare parts are terrible? they are spare parts problem is logistical support from the vendor. Poor quality spare parts in India caused high crash rates? STFU! aside for the Mig-21 who use Kapton cables we have seen more Flankers go missing in China than in India. Your aircraft like the J-11 still relay on Russian engines, hence why you still order Russian engines.
FYI its not the quality of the ******* parts you dumb moron. they are metal bolts and small LRU off the assembly line. The problem being cost vs time of delivery.
So stop your BS. I find it amazing how Chinese posters will make up BS because your PLA keeps you in the dark.

yeah you got that part right``your bollywood propaganda keeps injecting those india produce 'quality' stuff nonsenses whereas the reality is india $uck$ at producing anything

Most of the crashes have been attributed to pilot incompetence and a lack of training. Another major factor pointed out by the Russians is the fact that Bhrat insisted on using poorly manufactured local parts. After several hundred Migs had crashed, the IAF blamed the manufacturer of a faulty fuel pump. According to the IAF the breakdown in 2005 is as follows. 40%; human error (servicing) 2%; technical defects 41%; bird hits 9%; unresolved 6%; and others 2%.

The Indian Air Force unable to minimize the highest Crash rate in the world - Indian Armed Forces - Zimbio

why those planes in Russia and China do not falling off the sky like Indians do? because 'made in india' is a total joke``truth

Indian Air Force Making World Record, Crashing 500 Planes In 20 Years | Current Affairs

when can you get out your delusion?