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Russia and India have signed an agreement to jointly develop a fifth-generation upgrade of the Su-35 Super Flanker multirole fighter, according to a report published March 8 on Virginia-based military affairs website Defense News.

The fighter will be a fifth-generation fighter like the US Lockheed Martin F-22 Raptor and F-35 Lightning II, as opposed to the fourth-generation version of the Su-35 over which Russia and China are currently negotiating a deal.

The Su-35 Super Flanker will be unable to compete with other "genuine" fifth-generation fighters and China does not need to get caught up in a game of one-upmanship with India and Russia, said an expert cited by China's nationalistic tabloid Global Times.


Fifth-Generation Su-35S ::

Defense News cited a Russian military insider as stating that Moscow and New Delhi have signed an agreement to design what Russia is calling the fifth-generation version of the Su-35 in India, which will see an Indian variant of the fighter created called the Su-35S. Sergey Chemezov, CEO of Russian state-run tech export corporation Rostec, was cited by the website as saying, "We have been negotiating and have signed the intention protocol for the Su-35...Now we are working on designing ideas for this contract and on creating a manufacturing platform for the aircraft of the fifth generation."

The shift from the fourth-generation Su-35, currently in service with the Russian Air Force, to the fifth-generation Su-35S will necessitate a large upgrade. The report in Defense News questioned the ability of the Su-35S to bear comparison with the F-35. An Indian Air Force official said Russia has pitched the Su-35S several times over the last six months, stating that it can replace the Indian Air Force's MiG-21 and MiG-27 fighters, set to be retired from service in seven to eight years.

Russia and India have already worked together on the development of a fifth-generation stealth fighter, the PAK FA T-50. The Defense News report suggested that the reason Russia has suddenly announced the development program for the stealth fighter is because they are trying to undercut France following the refusal of Paris to provide Russia with two Mistral-class amphibious assault ships. In 2012, New Delhi decided to buy 126 Dassault Rafale multirole fighters from the French company but they have been unable to reach a final agreement due to the technology transfer involved and the price. A Russian industry source cited in the report said the Su-35S will cost only US$85 million, very competitive when compared with the Rafale, and poses a threat to the deal between France and India. A report in the New Delhi-based Economic Times previously stated that India's air force command considers the Russian fighter and the Rafale to be complementary and that the former does not replace the need for the latter.
 
Unfortunately its true that India wants 50 Su30 MKI at SUper standard directly procured from Russia (made in Russia or another complete CKD not licence production) at timelines of 2019-2020 max. This 50 is outside 272 which is already there. The Nasik line is more or less full till 2019 when its suppose to shift to Super upgrades for 272 birds and complete it in a side chain and main line will be augmented to get 5th gen production going. Owing to delays this line may eventually see the major shifting start by 2020.

On the other hand, Russians have suggested to procure 60+ Su35 at 5th gen upgrade standard for this batch and reiterated the support for Super 30 upgrade program with the first batch 80 moving to Russia for upgrades (it came out in news about 80 earlier Su30 MKI identified for Super upgrade). The russian contention is Su35S is air superiority platform and is around $10-15 Mn cheaper then the cost of MKI and MLU Super 30 combined. Plus it gives the IAF a chance to augment , understand and assimilate new combat strategy in line with what Super30 will offer.

MOD/IAF is yet not clear but indications are that Su35S may come as overall Super Program and FGFA timelines needs a review in ground level. Whether this batch will be signed now when MP is there or Namo is visiting is a 1000 dollar question. But sureshot with Super program signing this option will also be either exercised or politely put down.
 
Don't be surprised if India go for 3 squadrons of Su-35s or more MKI( upgraded ones) after Rafale fiasco.
 
I think this comes close to FGFA India wanted !

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Russia and India have signed an agreement to jointly develop a fifth-generation upgrade of the Su-35 Super Flanker multirole fighter, according to a report published March 8 on Virginia-based military affairs website Defense News.

The fighter will be a fifth-generation fighter like the US Lockheed Martin F-22 Raptor and F-35 Lightning II, as opposed to the fourth-generation version of the Su-35 over which Russia and China are currently negotiating a deal.

The Su-35 Super Flanker will be unable to compete with other "genuine" fifth-generation fighters and China does not need to get caught up in a game of one-upmanship with India and Russia, said an expert cited by China's nationalistic tabloid Global Times.


Fifth-Generation Su-35S ::

Defense News cited a Russian military insider as stating that Moscow and New Delhi have signed an agreement to design what Russia is calling the fifth-generation version of the Su-35 in India, which will see an Indian variant of the fighter created called the Su-35S. Sergey Chemezov, CEO of Russian state-run tech export corporation Rostec, was cited by the website as saying, "We have been negotiating and have signed the intention protocol for the Su-35...Now we are working on designing ideas for this contract and on creating a manufacturing platform for the aircraft of the fifth generation."

The shift from the fourth-generation Su-35, currently in service with the Russian Air Force, to the fifth-generation Su-35S will necessitate a large upgrade. The report in Defense News questioned the ability of the Su-35S to bear comparison with the F-35. An Indian Air Force official said Russia has pitched the Su-35S several times over the last six months, stating that it can replace the Indian Air Force's MiG-21 and MiG-27 fighters, set to be retired from service in seven to eight years.

Russia and India have already worked together on the development of a fifth-generation stealth fighter, the PAK FA T-50. The Defense News report suggested that the reason Russia has suddenly announced the development program for the stealth fighter is because they are trying to undercut France following the refusal of Paris to provide Russia with two Mistral-class amphibious assault ships. In 2012, New Delhi decided to buy 126 Dassault Rafale multirole fighters from the French company but they have been unable to reach a final agreement due to the technology transfer involved and the price. A Russian industry source cited in the report said the Su-35S will cost only US$85 million, very competitive when compared with the Rafale, and poses a threat to the deal between France and India. A report in the New Delhi-based Economic Times previously stated that India's air force command considers the Russian fighter and the Rafale to be complementary and that the former does not replace the need for the latter.
 
Developing the Su-35 like F-15 Silent Eagle, will mean an overhaul to the airframe, the new airframe will have to be tested and after that put to production. Normally, trial period for new design is 5 years, add R&D and production time to that, it will be 7-8 years at least for coming up with a Su-35 Stealth. By that time the PAK-FA will come to service and since India has invested into the project, it doesn't sound like Russia is planning to keep them out of getting their hands on it.

The Su-35 Stealth will mostly be like US' response to not wanting to sell the F-22 to other countries.

The link has a lot of misinformation in it. The Su-35 was developed from the Su-27, with changes into the airframe for better performances.
 
Which is the best deal for India

Upgraded Su30 mki or upgraded Su35 ?

Anyways we are going to upgrade su30mki, now do we need Su35 super ?
Perhaps plan B for rafale (negotiation sake )
 

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