Russia and India are negotiating construction of new frigates - CAWAT

[sree45]

Russia and India are negotiating construction of three additional frigates for the Indian Navy and the lease of a second nuclear submarine, RIA Novosti learned from a spokesperson of the Center for Analysis of World Arms Trade (CAWAT).

“Negotiations are under way on the construction of three frigates of the Project 11356 Admiral Grigorovich Class for the Indian Navy at the Yantar Baltic Shipbuilding Plant. The Government of India is also considering leasing a second Russian nuclear submarine, after the first nuclear submarine of the Project 971 Akula Class (formerly Nerpa, Chakra) enters service with the Indian Navy,” said the representative of CAWAT.

He recalled that the first three frigates of the Project 11356 Akula Class were built at the Baltic shipyards in 1999-2004. The second set of three frigates was supplied with advanced weaponry and improved operation performance characteristics. Unlike the first set of three ships, which was equipped with the Club-N Missile Complex, this set of ships was supplied with Russian-Indian supersonic cruise missile systems – using the PJ-10 BrahMos.

Russia and India are negotiating construction of new frigates - CAWAT | Russia & India Report

 

[The Huskar]

With Shivalik class matured and plenty of private players waiting for orders,this may just turn out to be a pipe dream of Russia.

 

[IndoUS]

With Shivalik class matured and plenty of private players waiting for orders,this may just turn out to be a pipe dream of Russia.

Not quite, since the shipyards are still pretty booked with other older orders, so if Russia can supply the ships in timely manner then we might go through with this deal.

 

[The Huskar]

Not quite, since the shipyards are still pretty booked with other older orders, so if Russia can supply the ships in timely manner then we might go through with this deal.

With the fiasco of Vikramaditya and growing interest in indigenous production,such a large scale order outside India for a product possible within is highly improbable.

 

[Echo_419]

With the fiasco of Vikramaditya and growing interest in indigenous production,such a large scale order outside India for a product possible within is highly improbable.

Agreed the thing about the Nuke sub may be true but now way in hell we will order ships which we can build by ourselves

 

[Ind4Ever]

Come on guys let's go for it . If it's bigger and better than anything Russians have . Three more Russian frigates means more technology and more fire power . We can afford it .

Our ship yards are full and we need more fire power and we have money

 

[The Huskar]

Come on guys let's go for it . If it's bigger and better than anything Russians have . Three more Russian frigates means more technology and more fire power . We can afford it .

Our ship yards are full and we need more fire power and we have money

Its nothing new.just a rebranded Talwar class with some minor cosmetic variation and a major price rise.Better to go for P-17A or more Shivalik class than this piece of crap.

 

[IndoUS]

With the fiasco of Vikramaditya and growing interest in indigenous production,such a large scale order outside India for a product possible within is highly improbable.

Yes, but when we don't have the production capacity to meet our own demands. So, the only viable option is to build abroad. And let's not forget Indian shipyards are also not the best when it comes to timely deliveries, so we can't really pull that card. We have so many ships on order currently, and so many in pipeline that we have to look abroad for supplies. The submarines are still running behind schedule also our IAC 1 is also running behind schedule, not to mention that the Kokata class destroyers and their follow on ships are sill being constructed in India. Then we have the replenishment ships and other LPD and LHD that are still in pipeline. This not including the orders from he coast guard.

 

[ayesha.a]

Yes, but when we don't have the production capacity to meet our own demands. So, the only viable option is to build abroad. And let's not forget Indian shipyards are also not the best when it comes to timely deliveries, so we can't really pull that card. We have so many ships on order currently, and so many in pipeline that we have to look abroad for supplies. The submarines are still running behind schedule also our IAC 1 is also running behind schedule, not to mention that the Kokata class destroyers and their follow on ships are sill being constructed in India. Then we have the replenishment ships and other LPD and LHD that are still in pipeline. This not including the orders from he coast guard.

Then the right thing to do would be to increase the capacity of our shipyards, and also build more shipyards. That's an investment that will bring a lot of returns, both from naval as well as merchant vessel construction.

 

[The Huskar]

Yes, but when we don't have the production capacity to meet our own demands. So, the only viable option is to build abroad. And let's not forget Indian shipyards are also not the best when it comes to timely deliveries, so we can't really pull that card. We have so many ships on order currently, and so many in pipeline that we have to look abroad for supplies. The submarines are still running behind schedule also our IAC 1 is also running behind schedule, not to mention that the Kokata class destroyers and their follow on ships are sill being constructed in India. Then we have the replenishment ships and other LPD and LHD that are still in pipeline. This not including the orders from he coast guard.

Most of the shipyards in India are turning towards modular construction practices.This may reduce the ship construction timeline by quite a bit.Also Defence Shipbuilding, which was previously seen as a turf of PSU's has a lot of new private players hungry for success.If we cant use that type of resource properly,then we can never call ourselves a builders Navy even by next 2 decades.
Also If the MOD can cancel a tender for a product not made in India(Naval LUH) in its indigenisation drive,then how will Navy convince MOD of this proposal??

 

[IndoUS]

Then the right thing to do would be to increase the capacity of our shipyards, and also build more shipyards. That's an investment that will bring a lot of returns, both from naval as well as merchant vessel construction.

Yes and that is in works, but you can't increase capacity over night, it takes years of work, and we can't just wait and sit on our hands. Till we get to that point this is our only remaining option.

 

[ayesha.a]

Yes and that is in works, but you can't increase capacity over night, it takes years of work, and we can't just wait and sit on our hands. Till we get to that point this is our only remaining option.

Is the IN desperately short of frigates? Dwindling submarine fleet and dwindling squadron strength of the AF are pressing issues. I don't think frigates are.

 

[IndoUS]

Most of the shipyards in India are turning towards modular construction practices.This may reduce the ship construction timeline by quite a bit.Also Defence Shipbuilding, which was previously seen as a turf of PSU's has a lot of new private players hungry for success.If we cant use that type of resource properly,then we can never call ourselves a builders Navy even by next 2 decades.
Also If the MOD can cancel a tender for a product not made in India(Naval LUH) in its indigenisation drive,then how will Navy convince MOD of this proposal??

Sure there are private players but how capable these private players are is another story. There are still very few private companies that have the capabilities to build frigates in India, most can only build ships along the class of OPVs. And even those who have capabilities are still running behind schedule with their work.

Is the IN desperately short of frigates? Dwindling submarine fleet and dwindling squadron strength of the AF are pressing issues. I don't think frigates are.

No, but they are planning on expanding and by the time these ships come in service a lot of our old ships would be decommissioned.

 

[Agent_47]

“Negotiations are under way on the construction of three frigates of the Project 11356 Admiral Grigorovich Class for the Indian Navy at the Yantar Baltic Shipbuilding Plant. The Government of India is also considering leasing a second Russian nuclear submarine, after the first nuclear submarine of the Project 971 Akula Class (formerly Nerpa, Chakra) enters service with the Indian Navy,” said the representative of CAWAT.

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Admiral Grigorovich class (also known as project 11356 (or 1135.6)): This is expected to be completed in similar configuration as the Talwar class. Three ships are ordered for the Black Sea Fleet, with the first one laid down on December 18, 2010; two or more ships planned. These ships could have been called the Krivak-V class.

@Penguin what is the possibility of barak 8 on this ship?

 

[surya kiran]

Its nothing new.just a rebranded Talwar class with some minor cosmetic variation and a major price rise.Better to go for P-17A or more Shivalik class than this piece of crap.

MDL is going to build all 7 of 17A.

@ayesha.a The frigates are for air defense. If you have 2 CBGs you will need more anti air assets. these ships are for enhancing the survivability to cruise and air attacks.