Russia agrees to lease India a second Akula SSN K-322 Kashalot for ten years

[Dr Gupta]

How is leasing going to change that?

We should be owning our own SSNs and must push for more funds to accelerate the existing programs.

Leasing means we are simply using it; ownership still remains foreign.

We can not buy a nuclear submarine it breaks international law but we can lease it Russia and India have a true strategic relationship. Russians helped with our Arihant program also.

 

[nair]

How is leasing going to change that?

We should be owning our own SSNs and must push for more funds to accelerate the existing programs.

Leasing means we are simply using it; ownership still remains foreign.

Remember reading the clause of extension of lease while we got Chakra......

 

[Sankpal]

GOOD news......................But it should be last one from Russia

After that we should continue with homemade nuclear subs

 

[Koovie]

Once again it shows us that Russia is our greatest friend

 

[kaykay]

How is leasing going to change that?

We should be owning our own SSNs and must push for more funds to accelerate the existing programs.

Leasing means we are simply using it; ownership still remains foreign.

I remember reading an article on this forum a few months back about leasing Akulas. Its because we can't buy a nuclear submarine legally but can lease them and since India has already paid their construction cost( since these subs were incomplete and thus India had to pay to complete them first) leasing for another term will be lot cheaper ( 40-50% of what It paid first time) and India will certainly go for lease extension as that is why it paid for construction of incomplete submarines.

 

[ares]

$ 100 million seems to be too steep every year.

For heavens sake! We could make a sub with this value X 10 years!

And why are we actually leasing it? We already are training on the Chakra.

Once Arihant is in, we will already be halfway to getting Aridhaman.

What's the use of this then?

The first sub , Nerpa costed $ 1 Billion, as it was only half finished($700 million for completion), ..the lease amount is $300 million for 10 yrs..in 2022 lease will further extended for another 10 yrs for $300 million and same in 2032.

The actual cost of the sub is 1.5 Billion and India will be paying about 1.6 Billion for using it for a period of 30 yrs.

The second sub is also being leased on the same principle.

 

[uparyupari]

We can't buy one legally. This is a workaround which nobody objects to. Simple.

But these are not for war, mind you.

LOL. You mean if ever a war happens, India will send this sub back to Russia ? .............. do you really think a 1..5 Billion $ war machine is not for war ?

Have you heard "all is fair in love and war" ?

 

[$@rJen]

Your speculating or speaking with concreate evidence mate???

that was the agreement.. for training purposes that's the reason this sub was not armed

 

[kaykay]

that was the agreement.. for training purposes that's the reason this sub was not armed

Not true. Chakra is armed with Klub missiles( best possible missile for submarines for now in India) and torpedos.

 

[The_Sidewinder]

that was the agreement.. for training purposes that's the reason this sub was not armed

Not true. Chakra is armed with Klub missiles( best possible missile for submarines for now in India) and torpedos.

Now whom to believe???

Or both of you are talking about different subs??

I am assuming sarjenprabhu is talking about only Akula SSN K-322 Kashalot & Kaykay is taking about INS Chakra.

 

[Mike_Brando]

Now whom to believe???

Or both of you are talking about different subs??

I am assuming sarjenprabhu is talking about only Akula SSN K-322 Kashalot & Kaykay is taking about INS Chakra.

Nah INS Chakra has been armed with the Klub-S variant of the missile which has a range of around 250 kms.Russia couldn't provide us with the llong range SLBMs as it is a signatory of the MTCR agreement and hence we are "forced" to use the Klub-S missiles as the standard cruise missile as of now.Maybe when the lease ends in 2022 we will buy the Chakra and then we can arm her with K-4 SLBMs.

 

[Víðarr]

Congratulations and please take good care of her. Best of luck and thank you for your service Kashalot.

Sad to see her go, but sometimes you have to make sacrifices (plus room for the Yasen)

And I know it's a ten year lease, but she'll be almost 40 by the time the lease is over. Her time in the Russian Navy has come to a close.

Best of luck guys, may Kashalot serve the IN with distinction and glory

 

[Tshering22]

Training and operational experience of a nuclear sub. We can have 4-5 batches of submarine crew ready. For when our subs come, we don't have to train raw new recruits. We just have to break them into their new homemade nuke subs.

Plus, we are designing stuff, it will help with that as well..

What I am saying is that our submarine making process is very slow. Considering that we are 15 years late in getting the underwater arm strong enough, we should make the submarines on a war footing.