Russia Admits Defeat, Says It’ll Launch Cosmonauts on SpaceX Spacecraft

[jamahir]

I never claimed to know more about computing, economics or politics than you. Notice how I never, ever questioned you on computing, economics or politics.

OK.

But I am confident I have more knowledge in physical science and engineering than you, and project management thereof. Spaceflight falls into this category.

So you will insist that Mars settlement is not possible despite me and Hamartia informing you otherwise ?

 

[LeGenD]

What success has SpaceX made? You mean they managed to get a space station into space like China or they managed to land something working on Moon or Mars?

Russian allow Cosmonauts on Dragon is just a back up plan.. You mean US space crew not going to use Soyuz if there is problem with Dragon? Or Russian is going to abandon soyuz and used Dragon to ISS only?

SpaceX is a private enterprise and started from scratch. It developed its own rockets and engines (technological independence), and reusable rocket boosters (a First). Resuable rocket boosters are making space exploration affordable which is big deal. SpaceX Starship is another First in terms of creating inter-planetary transportation services. SpaceX have accomplished a lot for a private enterprise in a short span of time. Credit where due.

A state-owned enterprise (be it Chinese or American) have the benefit of funding from the government and can pursue expensive projects just to create benchmarks or history.

A private enterprise does not follow a state-owned enterprise but have commerical interests.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

OK.



So you will insist that Mars settlement is not possible despite me and Hamartia informing you otherwise ?

no, you CLAIMED otherwise. you did not INFORM me otherwise. INFORM implies fact. You did not state any facts, you gave me speculation. Speculation is not fact. Speculation is aspirational at best, wishful coping at worst.

SpaceX is a private enterprise and started from scratch. It developed its own rockets and engines (technological independence), and reusable rocket boosters (a First). Resuable rocket boosters are making space exploration affordable which is big deal. SpaceX Starship is another First in terms of creating inter-planetary transportation services. SpaceX have accomplished a lot for a private enterprise in a short span of time. Credit where due.

A state-owned enterprise (be it Chinese or American) have the benefit of funding from the government and can pursue expensive projects just to create benchmarks or history.

A private enterprise does not follow a state-owned enterprise but have commerical interests.

SpaceX Starship has yet to reach orbit and can barely land in one piece. It hasn't done interplanetary anything. You are conflating claims with proof. Claims are not proof. I know you know this.

And it's ridiculous to claim a private owned enterprise is by default at a disadvantage relative to government agencies or state owned enterprises. Exxon Mobil has operational expenses of $200+ billion USD, more than 10x NASA's budget, and 8% profit margin. If there were economically accessible hydrocarbons in space, then Exxon Mobil could've gotten it easier than NASA.

 

[jamahir]

SpaceX Starship has yet to reach orbit and can barely land in one piece.

It is about to do a orbit test next month given the FAA's authorization.

It hasn't done interplanetary anything.

So didn't the moon landing decades ago. But why should I be giving an example even ? If the idea is right it is worth following.

If there were economically accessible hydrocarbons in space, then Exxon Mobil could've gotten it easier than NASA.

I don't know what you are referring to but AFAIK there are hydrocarbons on Titan, the largest moon of Saturn.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

It is about to do a orbit test next month given the FAA's authorization.



So didn't the moon landing decades ago. But why should I be giving an example even ? If the idea is right it is worth following.



I don't know what you are referring to but AFAIK there are hydrocarbons on Titan, the largest moon of Saturn.

1. No, you mean it will attempt to do an orbit test. Whether it will succeed in this attempt is yet to be seen.

2. The assertion was that Starship already is an interplanetary transport system. No, it is an aspirational system that claims to have the potential to be an interplanetary transport system.

3. Titan is not economically accessible. There has never, in all of history, been even a sample return from a differentiated body (that is, one that's round due to gravity) beyond the moon. And you're telling me that Titan is economically feasible to mine hydrocarbons from??????????????? Are you kidding me?

 

[serenity]

lol mate stop trying to communicate with professional jai hind time waster just ignore them.

Too stupid to bother with and too self righteous despite being wrong.

They will just keep their asses flowing and twist words and perform mental gymnastics like crazy. It is why they are the shitstain of the world. Whenever internet Indians don't like something, they will say it is Pakistanis who did it or this was filmed in Pakistan and so on. You cannot debate and reason with these types. Also Jamahir is the dumbest of the group. He knows nothing, no formal training or education, just wikipedia knowledge about computers and demands that everyone accept his worldview and opinion on everything apparently because he knows how to create the perfect society and perfect conduct. Everybody else lacks grace and decency because he has met and understands all 7 billion + others.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

lol mate stop trying to communicate with professional jai hind time waster just ignore them.

Too stupid to bother with and too self righteous despite being wrong.

They will just keep their asses flowing and twist words and perform mental gymnastics like crazy. It is why they are the shitstain of the world. Whenever internet Indians don't like something, they will say it is Pakistanis who did it or this was filmed in Pakistan and so on. You cannot debate and reason with these types. Also Jamahir is the dumbest of the group. He knows nothing, no formal training or education, just wikipedia knowledge about computers and demands that everyone accept his worldview and opinion on everything apparently because he knows how to create the perfect society and perfect conduct. Everybody else lacks grace and decency because he has met and understands all 7 billion + others.

Reality is too harsh. Poverty, starvation, communal violence, discrimination, COVID, etc.

Some people like the traditionally strong BJP brand copium. Others prefer SpaceX's smooth futuristic flavor. But it's still the same in the end.

 

[jamahir]

Also Jamahir is the dumbest of the group. He knows nothing, no formal training or education, just wikipedia knowledge about computers

1. Can you please answer post# 29 ?

2. Funny then that years ago despite me being a 12th class dropout I became a teacher in a computing institute with the curriculum being from a premier government institute. Funny that I was respected by the students and my colleagues.

and demands that everyone accept his worldview and opinion on everything apparently because he knows how to create the perfect society and perfect conduct.

Demands ? I only make simple points in a gentle way and which you have not countered in a rational way.

1. No, you mean it will attempt to do an orbit test. Whether it will succeed in this attempt is yet to be seen.

But that is how technological things are done, whether testing a website or testing a rocket. They attempt. Do you think SpaceX sent out people to space in its Dragon v2 capsule without testing out its various subsystems ?

2. The assertion was that Starship already is an interplanetary transport system. No, it is an aspirational system that claims to have the potential to be an interplanetary transport system.

Who said Starship is already a working interplanetary transport system ? @Hamartia Antidote just said in post# 19 how the Starship system is planned to be used for crewed landing on Mars.

3. Titan is not economically accessible. There has never, in all of history, been even a sample return from a differentiated body (that is, one that's round due to gravity) beyond the moon. And you're telling me that Titan is economically feasible to mine hydrocarbons from??????????????? Are you kidding me?

I suppose at one time undersea oil and gas mining on Earth was thought to be economically unfeasible.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

And it's ridiculous to claim a private owned enterprise is by default at a disadvantage relative to government agencies or state owned enterprises. Exxon Mobil has operational expenses of $200+ billion USD, more than 10x NASA's budget, and 8% profit margin. If there were economically accessible hydrocarbons in space, then Exxon Mobil could've gotten it easier than NASA.

What wacky logic is this?

How much money did the Chinese government spend on HSR?
How much money did the Chinese government spend on the highway system?
How much money for the 3 Gorges Dam?

What @LeGenD means is a government can shift a ton of money to a problem to solve it..just like the above.

It has resources well beyond what a private company can muster. Just because a space budget is currently X doesn't mean it is impossible for it to go all out and change it to a multiple of X.

 

[mike2000 is back]

What wacky logic is this?

How much money did the Chinese government spend on HSR?
How much money did the Chinese government spend on the highway system?
How much money for the 3 Gorges Dam?

What @LeGenD means is a government can shift a ton of money to a problem to solve it..just like the above.

It has resources well beyond what a private company can muster. Just because a space budget is currently X doesn't mean it is impossible for it to go all out and change it to a multiple of X.

Don't mind some members on here. They are just jealous or saying such negative stuffs about space X simply because Space X is an American company. If Space X was a Chinese company, then believe me this forum will be full of them singing their praises day and night and making whole threads dedicated for Space X and how a common private Chinese company is dominating the world space launch industry. Lol

 

[nahtanbob]

no, you CLAIMED otherwise. you did not INFORM me otherwise. INFORM implies fact. You did not state any facts, you gave me speculation. Speculation is not fact. Speculation is aspirational at best, wishful coping at worst.


SpaceX Starship has yet to reach orbit and can barely land in one piece. It hasn't done interplanetary anything. You are conflating claims with proof. Claims are not proof. I know you know this.

And it's ridiculous to claim a private owned enterprise is by default at a disadvantage relative to government agencies or state owned enterprises. Exxon Mobil has operational expenses of $200+ billion USD, more than 10x NASA's budget, and 8% profit margin. If there were economically accessible hydrocarbons in space, then Exxon Mobil could've gotten it easier than NASA.

What is Exon Mobil's profits ?? What is Exon Mobil's revenues ? Quoting expenses alone is misleading
What is the risk Exon Mobil is undertaking ?

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

What is Exon Mobil's profits ?? What is Exon Mobil's revenues ? Quoting expenses alone is misleading
What is the risk Exon Mobil is undertaking ?

you can ask the same of any government and most governments won't have the resources of Exxon Mobil.

 

[nahtanbob]

you can ask the same of any government and most governments won't have the resources of Exxon Mobil.

Chinese Government or Cambodian Government will be around 50 years from now unless the country collapses
Corporations are not entitled to be in business

Look at Dow Jones Index of 1930s and compare it to now

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

Chinese Government or Cambodian Government will be around 50 years from now unless the country collapses
Corporations are not entitled to be in business

Look at Dow Jones Index of 1930s and compare it to now

Dow Jones of 1991 is pretty similar to now except internet companies and some rebrands like Minnesota Mining and Manufacturing to 3M.

Historical components of the Dow Jones Industrial Average - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Some of these companies have been around for over a century. They don't change all that often.

 

[nahtanbob]

Dow Jones of 1991 is pretty similar to now except internet companies and some rebrands like Minnesota Mining and Manufacturing to 3M.

Historical components of the Dow Jones Industrial Average - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Some of these companies have been around for over a century. They don't change all that often.

A lot of them are not around. they have been absorbed by other companies. General Motors is the only company that is truly around.

Allied Chemical and Dye Corporation
General Foods Corporation
Paramount Publix Corporation
American Can Company
General Motors Corporation
Radio Corporation of America
American Smelting & Refining Company
General Railway Signal Company
Sears Roebuck & Company
The American Sugar Refining Company
B.F. Goodrich Corporation
Standard Oil Co. of New Jersey
American Tobacco Company (B shares)
International Harvester Company
The Texas Company
Atlantic Refining Company
International Nickel Company, Ltd.
Texas Gulf Sulphur Company
Bethlehem Steel Corporation
Johns-Manville Corporation ↑
Union Carbide Corporation
Chrysler Corporation
Mack Trucks, Inc.
United States Steel Corporation
Curtiss-Wright Corporation
Nash Motors Company
Westinghouse Electric Corporation
General Electric Company
National Cash Register Company
F. W. Woolworth Company

Governments do not perish unless countries break up or societies collapse