Rumors: Pakistan to acquire five C-130J Super Hercules

[Basel]

These feel good threads should not be allowed on PDF even if there is some truth in OP but without credible source these threads should not be allowed. @WebMaster @waz

 

[Robbie]

And I think a lot more is brewing in India... they may get a deal of the century from the Americans and assorted monkeys.

Incorrect. India does not have the budget for any deals.

The Indian defense budget is 1.5% of GDP and will remain that for the foreseeable future. There are other pressing demands on the budget - reviving the economy and increasing infrastructure.

 

[imadul]

So US will release CSF for Hercs, an non offensive platform but not LHTEC T800-4A turboshaft engines for Pak T129 ATAK which is commercial in nature between Honeywell-Rollcroyce and TAI???
May be after Pak squeezing some more in Afg they may allow LHTEC T800-4A. Vipers are long shot.

 

[StormBreaker]

Hi you just said the right thing and I have to agree
Your opinion make sense majority of time young man and I have respect for you
Bye the way I was also member of other pakfourm before PDF and enjoy the reading.

Honoured Sir, Means a lot.

 

[ziaulislam]

So US will release CSF for Hercs, an non offensive platform but not LHTEC T800-4A turboshaft engines for Pak T129 ATAK which is commercial in nature between Honeywell-Rollcroyce and TAI???
May be after Pak squeezing some more in Afg they may allow LHTEC T800-4A. Vipers are long shot.

doubt it..they will offer zulus instead..

 

[ACE OF THE AIR]

So US will release CSF for Hercs, an non offensive platform but not LHTEC T800-4A turboshaft engines for Pak T129 ATAK which is commercial in nature between Honeywell-Rollcroyce and TAI???
May be after Pak squeezing some more in Afg they may allow LHTEC T800-4A. Vipers are long shot.

its not Pakistan that is the primary party but Turkey. Pakistan can procure them but for any other platform other than T-129

 

[RIP Pak LAW]

if contract has been signed than there should be an official news confirmation some where.....this is creating some confusion though there is little to doubt OP and other credible news informers here on pdf

 

[araz]

I concur, from f-16s, to Su's, then to J's... never ends with him; there is no basis for such claims frankly childish and unrealistic.

If f-16s come, we will see but unlikely; TiT is on his way out unless miracle happens; Biden may not follow suit either. Too much uncertainty in entire world right now. Getting the economy to start moving on is primary on everyones mind.

I think an explanation of how things transpired is in order. I need to declare this is on the basis of information freely available on the net and a little bit of intuitive thinking so can be totally discounted. When you are a cash strapped force in a charged geographical arena, you rely on the assetts you have to gain momentum and achieve ends. For PAF these are:
A Its current geopolitical positioning
B The US entanglement in Afghanistan.
C Its association with China and the USA fears about the Pak China Corridor.
We know from open source info that PAF went and made enquiries with the Russians regarding the SU35. We also know that we wanted the Chinese Fire control AESA radar and the ability to be able to use our own armaments on the plane. Needless to say the Russians were not interested.
We have had a look at the J11/15 series and the J20 by some accounts. We are interested but do not have the money. So keep that equation in mind and try to get what you want.
The only answer that I come across is to use the fear of jumping into this and that corner and utilizing this insecurity of larger nations into getting leverage to achieve your end. My thought was focused on a post from @Bilal Khan 777 where he said we either wanted the J11/20 or the F16s for free and it was just a case of which side blinks first. Now I think a certain bit of misinformation was intentionally fed into the system to lend credence to our intentions. Given that the US is currently in a more difficult situation I suspect they are more receptive to our requests.
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You mean the reason he was banned not "he left/asked to leave". Always the honesty deficit.

When I have already mentioned that I am unaware what happened how can I say he was banned. I have intimated he left/was asked to leave not knowing facts but expressing a general opinion .
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[HAIDER]

Please tell me which forum is that?

Mentioning or promoting other defence forums is against PDF policy.

 

[Scorpiooo]

Y-9 is the standard workhorse for PLAAF, higher payload than C-130J, digitalize cockpit and has in service for more than a decade.

Whats is cost for Y9 and C130J ?

 

[HAIDER]

The most recent news is ...
US Approves Sale of 5 C-130J Super Hercules Aircraft for New Zealand
The C-130J will replace New Zealand’s C-130H aircraft.

Last news about C130

Rockwell to upgrade Pakistan’s C-130 fleet
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The US Department of Defence (DoD) has selected Rockwell Collins as the prime contractor for the C-130 Hercules fleet upgrade and supply of associated equipment to Pakistan.

Under the terms of the $30m contract, the company will design, manufacture, integrate, train and deliver 11 C-130E model kits and five C-130B integrated avionics suites and kits to Pakistani Air Force (PAF).

The contract covers the development, validation, and delivery of consolidated B/E flight manual and associated checklists, as well as maintenance supplements.


Work under the contract will be carried out at PAF’s Nur Khan Base, Islamabad.


General Characteristics

Primary Function: Global airlift

Contractor: Lockheed-Martin Aeronautics Company

Power Plant:

C-130E: Four Allison T56-A-7 turboprops; 4,200 prop shaft horsepower

C-130H: Four Allison T56-A-15 turboprops; 4,591prop shaft horsepower

C-130J: Four Rolls-Royce AE 2100D3 turboprops; 4,700 horsepower

Length: C-130E/H/J: 97 feet, 9 inches (29.3 meters)

C-130J-30: 112 feet, 9 inches (34.69 meters)

Height: 38 feet, 10 inches (11. 9 meters)

Wingspan: 132 feet, 7 inches (39.7 meters)

Cargo Compartment:

C-130E/H/J: length, 41 feet (12.5 meters); width, 123 inches (meters); height, 9 feet (2.74 meters). Rear ramp: length, 119 inches (36.27 meters); width, 118.9 inches (3.02 meters)

C-130E/H/J-30: length, 56 feet (16.9 meters); width, 123 inches (3.12 meters); height, 9 feet (2.74 meters). Rear ramp: length, 119.9 inches (3.12 meters); width, 118.9 inches (36.24 meters)

Speed:

C-130E: 345 mph/300 ktas (Mach 0.49) at 20,000 feet (6,060 meters)

C-130H: 366 mph/318 ktas (Mach 0.52) at 20,000 feet (6,060 meters)

C-130J: 417 mph/362 ktas (Mach 0.59) at 22,000 feet (6,706 meters)

C-130J-30: 410 mph/356 ktas (Mach 0.58) at 22,000 feet (6,706 meters)

Ceiling:

C-130J: 28,000 feet (8,615 meters) with 42,000 pounds (19,090 kilograms) payload

C-130J-30: 26,000 feet (8,000 meters) with 44,500 pounds (20,227 kilograms) payload.

C-130H: 23,000 feet (7,077 meters) with 42,000 pounds (19,090 kilograms) payload.

C-130E: 19,000 feet (5,846 meters) with 42,000 pounds (19,090 kilograms) payload

Maximum Takeoff Weight:

C-130E/H: 155,000 pounds (69,750 kilograms)

C-130J: 164,000 pounds (74,393 kilograms)

Maximum Allowable Payload:

C-130E, 42,000 pounds (19,090 kilograms)

C-130H, 42,000 pounds (19,090 kilograms)

C-130J, 42,000 pounds (19,090 kilograms)

C-130J-30, 44,000 (19,958 kilograms)

Maximum Normal Payload:

C-130E, 36,500 pounds (16,590 kilograms)

C-130H, 36,500 pounds (16,590 kilograms)

C-130J, 34,000 pounds (15,422 kilograms)

C-130J-30, 36,000 pounds (16,329 kilograms)

Range at Maximum Normal Payload:

C-130E, 1,150 miles (1,000 nautical miles)

C-130H, 1,208 miles (1,050 nautical miles)

C-130J, 2,071 miles (1,800 nautical miles)

C-130J-30, 1,956 miles (1,700 nautical miles)

Range with 35,000 pounds of Payload:

C-130E, 1,438 miles (1,250 nautical miles)

C-130H, 1,496 miles (1,300 nautical miles)

C-130J, 1,841 miles (1,600 nautical miles)

C-130J-30, 2,417 miles (2,100 nautical miles)

Maximum Load:

C-130E/H/J: 6 pallets or 72 litters or 16 CDS bundles or 90 combat troops or 64 paratroopers, or a combination of any of these up to the cargo compartment capacity or maximum allowable weight.

C-130J-30: 8 pallets or 97 litters or 24 CDS bundles or 128 combat troops or 92 paratroopers, or a combination of any of these up to the cargo compartment capacity or maximum allowable weight.

Crew: C-130E/H: Five (two pilots, navigator, flight engineer and loadmaster)

C-130J/J-30: Three (two pilots and loadmaster)

Aeromedical Evacuation Role: A basic crew of five (two flight nurses and three medical technicians) is added for aeromedical evacuation missions. Medical crew may be decreased or increased as required by the needs of patients.

Unit Cost: C-130E, $11.9, C-130H, $30.1, C-130J, $75.5 (FY 2017 Then dollars in millions)

Date Deployed: C-130A, Dec 1956; C-130B, May 1959; C-130E, Aug 1962; C-130H, Jun 1974; C-130J, Feb 1999

Inventory: Active force, 145; Air National Guard, 181; Air Force Reserve, 102

(Current as of June 2018)


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[Scorpiooo]

How many will be orderd? Any specific number?

Negotiations not order
30 + New
20 + EDA

 

[HAIDER]

Each C130j is over 75 million a piece in 2017..

 

[truthfollower]

Under the terms of the $30m contract, the company will design, manufacture, integrate, train and deliver 11 C-130E model kits and five C-130B integrated avionics suites and kits to Pakistani Air Force (PAF).

The contract covers the development, validation, and delivery of consolidated B/E flight manual and associated checklists, as well as maintenance supplements.

It's only upgrades then?

 

[HAIDER]

It's only upgrades then?

I think so...