RSS converts 200 Indian Muslims into Hinduism.

[The_Showstopper]

Christians and Muslims brag about how there is no difference between people once they convert. If they convert people on those basis they have no right to claim these benefits.

Yes there is no difference but that doesn't mean the poorer section of muslims/christians wouldn't need help. India being a secular country, all its poor citizens including muslims and christians have the right to claim the special benefits provided by the government.

 

[sms]

Faith was and is always a commodity for sale. It was sold to people by luring or by force in past. It’s being done on regular basis in India by Christians and Muslims and some time by Hindus too.

Remember someone said if people were not forced to change faith in history , one of the biggest religion would not be able to survive and thrive till today.

If a poor person/ family wants to change faith for food, shelter and better education ... they must be allowed to do so. Who are we to dictate what one must or must not follow.

 

[cloud_9]

Looks like BJP is headless in UP.After Love Jehad now this gimmick.

 

[fallstuff]

'Ismile, who seemed to be their leader, said, "They fooled us in the name of ration cards and BPL cards. We were told that they want to do a puja in our slum as the plot is owned by a Hindu. We just took part in it and before we knew it they proclaimed that we have been converted. Soon, the media arrived."

‘Neither Hindu nor Muslim’, Agra's ‘converts’ trapped in limbo - The Times of India

That was just cruel.

 

[vsdave2302]

But they have a different story to tell....

Yes, They change the story today under pressure of SP goons and others. Media was showing the clip of yesterday and twodays before yesterday. It has totally opposite. QUOTE]



Yes, They change the story today under pressure of SP goons and others. Media was showing the clip of yesterday and twodays before yesterday. It has totally opposite.

 

[Indrani]

Yes there is no difference but that doesn't mean the poorer section of muslims/christians wouldn't need help. India being a secular country, all its poor citizens including muslims and christians have the right to claim the special benefits provided by the government.

No they do not. Reservations are not for economic deprivations. It is for imposed disabilities due to caste. If there is no caste, there is no discrimination. Since Muslims and Christians have no castes, they are not entitled to any reservation.

 

[The_Showstopper]

Yes, They change the story today under pressure of SP goons and others. Media was showing the clip of yesterday and twodays before yesterday. It has totally opposite.

It could very well have been pressure from Sangh Parivar goons as was noticed in their later statements.

No they do not. Reservations are not for economic deprivations. It is for imposed disabilities due to caste. If there is no caste, there is no discrimination. Since Muslims and Christians have no castes, they are not entitled to any reservation.

So what are those imposed disabilities?

 

[Indrani]

So what are those imposed disabilities?

Imposed disabilities are discrimations arising out of caste or race, like in hundreds of years of slavery by Africans. Generations being excluded from being part of the society and ill treated for being born in certain castes or race.

Unlike Muslims who were the ruling class in India for a long time, SC/STs have never been a ruling class to ever have had society suitably disposed towards them.

 

[The_Showstopper]

Imposed disabilities are discrimations arising out of caste or race, like in hundreds of years of slavery by Africans. Generations being excluded from being part of the society and ill treated for being born in certain castes or race.

Unlike Muslims who were the ruling class in India for a long time, SC/STs have never been a ruling class to ever have had society suitably disposed towards them.

Imposed disabilities like??? Can you name a few? I don't want the reasons or context for imposition of these disabilities but the description of disabilities imposed on them...

 

[Indrani]

Imposed disabilities like??? Can you name a few? I don't want the reasons or context for imposition of these disabilities but the description of disabilities imposed on them...

It is stuff like being untouchables, being not allowed to study in schools, being not allowed to live in the villages, being not allowed to drink water from the village wells, being not able to participate in the economy of the villages/towns by not being allowed to integrate. Stuff like this which went on for hundreds of years.

 

[The_Showstopper]

It is stuff like being untouchables, being not allowed to study in schools, being not allowed to live in the villages, being not allowed to drink water from the village wells, being not able to participate in the economy of the villages/towns by not being allowed to integrate. Stuff like this which went on for hundreds of years.

So stuff like these does make them poor and financially/economically underprivileged.. Right? They may get a sense of equality after accepting Islam or Christianity but that won't offset the previous wrong doings immediately. So the Government is responsible to provide them assistance till they become self-sufficient. Isn't it since they are still the citizens of this country?

 

[Indrani]

So stuff like these does make them poor and financially/economically underprivileged.. Right? They may get a sense of equality after accepting Islam or Christianity but that won't offset the previous wrong doings immediately. So the Government is responsible to provide them assistance till they become self-sufficient. Isn't it since they are still the citizens of this country?

No, most of our converted Muslims are long converted with very few recent converts. So they have not faced the same discrimination like SC/ST for any length of time. Also Muslims are richer than SC/ST in India. The only place where Muslims do poorly are in education sector and there too they have already caught up with the rest.

 

[KingMamba]

'Ismile, who seemed to be their leader, said, "They fooled us in the name of ration cards and BPL cards. We were told that they want to do a puja in our slum as the plot is owned by a Hindu. We just took part in it and before we knew it they proclaimed that we have been converted. Soon, the media arrived."

‘Neither Hindu nor Muslim’, Agra's ‘converts’ trapped in limbo - The Times of India

That was just cruel.

The Mullahs have transgressed, they could have simply told them to repent and been done with it instead they scaring the poor people. Whether or not their conversion was genuine they have clearly been stuck in a limbo..

 

[Iggy]

The Mullahs have transgressed, they could have simply told them to repent and been done with it instead they scaring the poor people. Whether or not their conversion was genuine they have clearly been stuck in a limbo..

Most probably they converted because of the incentives like ration card and BPL card.. And later back tracked because it become a controversy..

 

[The_Showstopper]

No, most of our converted Muslims are long converted with very few recent converts. So they have not faced the same discrimination like SC/ST for any length of time. Also Muslims are richer than SC/ST in India. The only place where Muslims do poorly are in education sector and there too they have already caught up with the rest.

It doesn't matter when they converted, what matters is that they need the State's help if they are economically underprivileged irrespective of their religion. Just a question I wanted to ask you, Do you think that the Dalits are given special privileges to atone the past mistakes of ancestors of Upper class?