RS 40 BILLION ALLOCATED TO WESTERN ROUTE PROJECTS

[shah1398]

It is the PML-N who has announced more development spend, from SWAT to BANNU.

Thank U for that but I wud not go into details regarding many projects announced are either yet only on paper or are unfeasible due to some reasons but still thank U for that. Now can we come back to CPEC? Still waiting for that list of CPEC projects in those areas of KPK who fall on shortest route.

 

[SBD-3]

Thank U for that but I wud not go into details regarding many projects announced are either yet only on paper or are unfeasible due to some reasons but still thank U for that. Now can we come back to CPEC? Still waiting for that list of CPEC projects in those areas of KPK who fall on shortest route.

For setting up a factory you need labor. KPK imports around 80-90% of technical labor from Punjab and other provinces. The foundations need to be set up. You need to have ample incentive for vocational training of the masses. For example in Faisalabad, the technical institutes flood the city. They don't produce engineers (infact textile Engineering has hit slums after government privatized the Textile college) but they produce the technicians which are required in larger number than engineers. These are the things which lay the foundations of industrial infrastructure and give incentives for investors to invest. For example, even the JKT or Shibli Faraz like Industrialists havent setup any industry in KPK and have bulk in Punjab. Why? government should look for answers

 

[shah1398]

For setting up a factory you need labor. KPK imports around 80-90% of technical labor from Punjab and other provinces. The foundations need to be set up. You need to have ample incentive for vocational training of the masses. For example in Faisalabad, the technical institutes flood the city. They don't produce engineers (infact textile Engineering has hit slums after government privatized the Textile college) but they produce the technicians which are required in larger number than engineers. These are the things which lay the foundations of industrial infrastructure and give incentives for investors to invest. For example, even the JKT or Shibli Faraz like Industrialists havent setup any industry in KPK and have bulk in Punjab. Why? government should look for answers

Same is the case with Balochistan and almost whole of Pakistan and that is why Chinese labor had to be brought in to augment the shortage and same was done even in Punjab. So if CPEC projects can work there why cant same model be followed in KPK?

 

[SBD-3]

Same is the case with Balochistan and almost whole of Pakistan and that is why Chinese labor had to be brought in to augment the shortage and same was done even in Punjab. So if CPEC projects can work there why cant same model be followed in KPK?

Chinese labor isn't coming, its their engineers
And you see infrastructure being setup in gawadar for producing both technicians as well as engineers for future demand.

https://defence.pk/threads/gwadar-institute-of-technology-git-built-by-pakistan-army.380350/
http://www.uot.edu.pk/u/index.php/latestevents/356-university-of-turbat-sub-campus-gwadar
http://www.bexpress.com.pk/2016/02/httpwp-mep5f0gk-3mc/

 

[Arsalan]

Now and go and see on ALL Three Routes How many big cities are covered as opposed to small cities calculate the number and share with us so that we may actually know the legitimacy of your Genuine Concerns

Oh bahi,, The NHA map is ONE of those. Do you want me to take a look at some special map that only you have? Why dont you share it again over here and we can ALL be happy and go our own ways? Why just all the talk?

The Genuine concerns of mine and any other Pakistan will remain genuine no matter if they are written in bold letters, quoted in commas or Italic font is used. The only thing that can change that is some sensible and sincere work and the problems is that this is exactly what is lacking. If you serious see some map and think that yes, it is Baluchistan and KPK which are in focus or even getting there fair share and not Punjab which is trying to gobble up all the funds then what can i say but to ask god for such eyesight for myself.

 

[SBD-3]

Oh bahi,, The NHA map is ONE of those. Do you want me to take a look at some special map that only you have? Why dont you share it again over here and we can ALL be happy and go our own ways? Why just all the talk?

The Genuine concerns of mine and any other Pakistan will remain genuine no matter if they are written in bold letters, quoted in commas or Italic font is used. The only thing that can change that is some sensible and sincere work and the problems is that this is exactly what is lacking. If you serious see some map and think that yes, it is Baluchistan and KPK which are in focus or even getting there fair share and not Punjab which is trying to gobble up all the funds then what can i say but to ask god for such eyesight for myself.

There's a difference in all maps and official map. Can you consider the difference?
Like I said before have you calculated how many underdeveloped cities fall on each route vs developed cities? If you had, please share with us.

 

[shah1398]

Chinese labor isn't coming, its their engineers
And you see infrastructure being setup in gawadar for producing both technicians as well as engineers for future demand.

https://defence.pk/threads/gwadar-institute-of-technology-git-built-by-pakistan-army.380350/
http://www.uot.edu.pk/u/index.php/latestevents/356-university-of-turbat-sub-campus-gwadar
http://www.bexpress.com.pk/2016/02/httpwp-mep5f0gk-3mc/

My question remains the same. If projects can be executed in Balochistan then why not in KPK in same way? Also KPK has quite abundant skilled manpower that is being used in Hazara region in same CPEC. May it be minerals or Petroleum exploration or infrastructure development, we have enough manpower. So what about CPEC now?

 

[SBD-3]

My question remains the same. If projects can be executed in Balochistan then why not in KPK in same way? Also KPK has quite abundant skilled manpower that is being used in Hazara region in same CPEC. May it be minerals or Petroleum exploration or infrastructure development, we have enough manpower. So what about CPEC now?

KPK at the moment faces negative economic migration. The projects can be setup but it required concerted effort. At the moment KPK government can't even spend 50% of her budget, how would you expect such incentives to take place. And not to mention their focus being on Peshawar, Bannu and the areas where JI and PTI has had their vote bank. They don't like to spend in Hazara region and south because they don't expect votes. Something which has to be changed.

 

[Arsalan]

There's a difference in all maps and official map. Can you consider the difference?
Like I said before have you calculated how many underdeveloped cities fall on each route vs developed cities? If you had, please share with us.

So sir as i requested, why dont you share that "authentic" map of yours and i will get on the work and do that calculation for you and share as well. Will that be ANY HELP? NO!!! But still i will do.

Will look forward for that new map.

 

[SBD-3]

So sir as i requested, why dont you share that "authentic" map of yours and i will get on the work and do that calculation for you and share as well. Will that be ANY HELP? NO!!! But still i will do.

Will look forward for that new map.

https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=1Ypl-rj2JVeefZ7SgKF9yNHV41zk&hl=en_US
You can even use the geo-layer of districts falling on CPEC and you can also see that despite all three routes, many districts remain non-benificiaries. If The Peshwar and Surroundings are so underdeveloped, then Thar certainly merits inclusion over Peshawar.

 

[shah1398]

KPK at the moment faces negative economic migration. The projects can be setup but it required concerted effort. At the moment KPK government can't even spend 50% of her budget, how would you expect such incentives to take place. And not to mention their focus being on Peshawar, Bannu and the areas where JI and PTI has had their vote bank. They don't like to spend in Hazara region and south because they don't expect votes. Something which has to be changed.

The project is overlooked by Fed Govt. So its responsibility of Fed Govt, not KPK. So U r saying that CPEC has no share for major portion of KPK on shortest route (for whatever reasons)?

 

[SBD-3]

The project is overlooked by Fed Govt. So its responsibility of Fed Govt, not KPK. So U r saying that CPEC has no share for major portion of KPK on shortest route (for whatever reasons)?

Why don't you hand over everything to Federal Government then? If Punjab government is running their own CPEC projects so does Sindh and Balochistan then what differentiates KPK government to just sit idle and shift the blame on Federal government? If Punjab government is setting up industrial zones in Sheikhupura, Rahimyar Khan, Bhalwal, Vehari, Chunian, Bahawalpur and Faisalabad what has stopped KPK government to do so?

 

[shah1398]

Why don't you hand over everything to Federal Government then? If Punjab government is running their own CPEC projects so does Sindh and Balochistan then what differentiates KPK government to just sit idle and shift the blame on Federal government?

First of all those projects are run and overlooked by Fed Govt, Provinces are facilitating them. If KPK govt CAN do so in Hazara then why not in other parts of KPK? Again are U implying the Balochistan is more skilled and capable than KPK? If projects can be run in Balochistan then tell me a reason why cant they be run KPK? Now for the last time I am asking U where is our share in KPK in CPEC?

 

[SBD-3]

First of all those projects are run and overlooked by Fed Govt, Provinces are facilitating them. If KPK govt do so in Hazara then why not in other parts of KPK? Again are U implying the Balochistan is more skilled and capable than KPK? If projects can be run in Balochistan then tell me a reason why cant they be run KPK? Now for the last time I am asking U where is our share in KPK in CPEC?

They are not all run by the Federal Government. Every province is now dealing independently with the Chinese and bringing their projects under the framework of CPEC. CPEC isn't just a road but it allows provincial governments to seek Chinese Finances for mega projects.
http://pakistannewsexpress.com/cm-happy-at-outcome-of-sindh-delegation-visit-to-china/
http://abbtakk.tv/en/158961-2chinese-engineering-firm-lyaris-delegation-call-on-sindh-cm-070916/
http://www.dawn.com/news/622425/cm-sindh-meets-chinese-delegation-over-thar-coal
http://dunyanews.tv/en/Pakistan/346214-CM-Punjab-leaves-for-China-on-twoday-visit

 

[Arsalan]

https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=1Ypl-rj2JVeefZ7SgKF9yNHV41zk&hl=en_US
You can even use the geo-layer of districts falling on CPEC and you can also see that despite all three routes, many districts remain non-benificiaries. If The Peshwar and Surroundings are so underdeveloped, then Thar certainly merits inclusion over Peshawar.

Bahi this is one of those routes that i already

Myray bahi i have checked the route map already, not the one you said you have post but the other dozen or so circulating around as well.

As well, matlab i have seen those TOO!!

The only difference i see in this and what most of the other routes is that This one deviates from Khairpur and moves westwards to join the central and western route near Khuzdar. Thus eliminating the Hyderabad Karachi motorway and the Karachi to Gawadar coastal highway. Remember how one of these is already complete and other is under construction (as per the claims) so no matter whether NHA now includes that in there route map or not, the investment and development both are there.

Other than that what more calculations you want me to do? Are you suggesting that since we have successfully alienated Baluchistan and FATA/KPK areas for decades that there are NOT EVEN ANY cities on what looks like a wasteland so there should be no development in that area even now and the resources should be diverted to Punjab????

Because if that is not the reason then I am not sure how even this map can make you say that the Eastern Route is the one that is strategically more important or is the one that benefits Baluchistan and KPK more and my point and argument remains that it SHOULD be under developed areas of Baluchistan and KPK that should be kept in focus or at the very least given their fair share (and they will be ONCE the western route is done). I am a firm believer that if Pakistan is to progress then Baluchistan will be the gateway. I do not see what more can we extract from Lahore or any other relatively developed and extremely huge city. The argument you are making is like that since there is no industry in Baluchistan there should be no industry in Baluchistan. Come one, WHEN WILL WE CHANGE THAT?.

Anyway, the argument and discussion is unexpectedly futile and the good part about that is there are no disappointments.