Ropeways transport system to be introduced in Lahore

[DJ_Viper]

Please do not create discord among Pakistanis. Politics is good only if one uses it for the good.
One can defend pmln current administration without invoking racism.
It is my humble request.

I like your post. But sadly speaking, the gentleman responded to, was just making a point and a valid one, like yours. I've read pages and pages of divide among you guys. How many of you are focused on their group / clan then their country? All I read is (and know to some degree), that Benzir's party is a Sindhi focused organization, and has always been (I've visited Karachi and it has become a disgusting place to be honest, I've seen it s a city like Houston just in the 90's and it is the main artery of Pakistan). But people fail to not vote for the Sindhi party even though they've made the entire city a dumpster and haven't done anything to help the people. See the loyalty to their clan?

Now Khan has started the Pashtun card, the proof is all here just on this thread, I can name reading a hundred pages of that divide on this forum and India is taking advantage of this divide in Baluchistan and then Sindh. Their estimate was that they would cut off Pakistan into pieces based just on the divide that exists. An outsider reading this, I can only say shame on all these people who are involved in spreading divide. You should be thankful that you have a country. Ask the Indian Muslims and the Indian Punjabi's how they feel, when they can't carry out their most basic religious obligations properly and eat what they want to. Its truly sad that someone from a whole different background is telling you this!

 

[Zibago]

Arey farari wali sarkar is back
@The Sandman

Truth hurts.

Jinnah didn't know Urdu, was fluent in Gujarati

AHMEDABAD: Quaid-e-Azam aka Mohd Ali Jinnah couldn't read or write Urdu, the official language of Pakistan. Urdu later became one of the reasons behind separation of Bangladesh. The fact was recorded in many books that Jinnah was not comfortable with either Urdu or Bangla.

But Jinnah was fluent in Gujarati. He could read as well as write Gujarati, his mother tongue. Jinnah was a native of Paneli — not far from Gandhiji's birthplace Porbandar. It is often said the issue of Partition boiled down to these two Kathiawadis.

Around 1915, Jinnah gave an interview to experimental magazine 'Vismi Sadi' (20th Century). In this interview, Jinnah answered eight questions in Gujarati in one word each in his own handwriting. These one-word answers in Gujarati from Jinnah gave interesting insight into his personality.

Though Jinnah has often been described as aristocratic and alien to the country he created, it comes out clearly in this interview where he professes his fondness for Shakespeare and Alexander Dumas. Plus, his love for horse riding and lilies.

This account was published in Jinnah's handwriting in the column 'Dil No Aekrar' (From The Heart).

Interestingly, Jinnah has signed off as 'Mahammad Ali Jeena', as one would write in Gujarati.

Urdu-isation of Punjab

Punjabi is one of the world’s most widely spoken languages today. It has over a hundred million native speakers, more than German, French, Persian or Urdu. Unfortunately though, it has also been one of the most neglected lingos, in its own home and by its own people. Punjab’s elite first deserted it for Urdu and then for English. There has been a virtual ban on education in Punjabi in the province for 150 years now, ever since the fall of the Sikh empire in 1849. In Punjab Assembly, a member cannot speak Punjabi without the speaker’s permission.

The land which is today Pakistan was home to the Harappa and Gandhara civilisations as well as to some of the oldest extant texts like Rigveda and Arthshastra. It has had its own traditions and languages thousands of years old. The Punjabi language itself has a written literary history of almost a thousand years. Its first poet, Baba Farid, belonged to the 12th and 13th centuries while the last classical poet died in early 20th century.

The decline and suppression, so to speak, of the Punjabi language and literature started with the British East India Company’s annexation of Punjab in 1849. The British found that education in Punjab under the Sikh empire was far superior to what they had introduced in the rest of conquered India. Gottlieb Wilhelm Leitner, first principal of Government College Lahore and founder of the University of the Punjab, writes in his “History of Indigenous Education in the Punjab” that at annexation, “the true education of the Punjab was crippled, checked, and nearly destroyed”. Our system, he wrote, “stands convicted of worse than official failure”.

Under Sikh rulers, Punjabi qaidas, or primers, were supplied to all villages. Its study was compulsory for women. Thus, almost every woman could read and write the lundee form of Gurmukhi. To subdue their new subjects, the British planned to cut them off from their language and tradition, and set forth to collect and burn all Punjabi qaidas. They searched homes for qaidas and announced the prize of one aana for someone who returned their sword but six aana if they returned a Punjabi qaida. The language which once had the backing of an empire was now neglected and suppressed.

After Pakistan was created, our policymakers considered cultural and linguistic diversity a threat to national security and tried to impose a monolithic faith-based ideology on the people. They declared Urdu the national language at the expense of Bengali, Punjabi, Sindhi, Balochi, Brahui, Pashto and others. Urdu was a language that was never spoken in the regions that made up Pakistan in 1947. Bengalis rose up in arms against this and got their language recognised as a state language alongside Urdu in 1956.

The struggle for recognition of languages other than Urdu continues to date in Pakistan. One of the things nationalists in Balochistan complain about is the suppression of their language and culture. In Lahore, thousands gather every year on Mother Language Day seeking an end to the 150-year-old ban on education in Punjabi. It’s time we reconnected with our past because the state of denial we are in today will lead us nowhere.




Didn't you know Canada setup its charter of rights and freedom ?

Punjabi Now Third Language in Parliament of Canada

Four years after Punjabi became Canada’s third most common language; it is now also Canadian parliament’s third language after English and French. This observation follows the election of 20 Punjabi-speaking candidates to the House of Commons.

Twenty-three Member of Parliaments of South Asian-origins were elected to the House of Commons, Parliament of Canada on October 19 parliamentary elections. The 430,705 native Punjabi speakers make up about 1.3 per cent of Canada’s population. The 20 Punjabi-speaking MPs represent almost six per cent of the House of Commons.

Of the 20 elected candidates who speak Punjabi, 18 are Liberals and two are Conservatives. Ontario elected 12, British Columbia four, Alberta three and one is from Quebec.

In an interview with recently, Navdeep Bains, a Liberal MP, said although 20 Punjabi-speaking MPs have been elected, these MPs represent all constituents regardless of their party affiliation or ethnic origin.



A Significant Moment For Punjabi Language In Canada

By Sadhu Binning

There is much that needs to be done for the preservation and development of the Punjabi language in Canada. In my view, currently, it is a crucial time for the Punjabi community to work towards creating a brighter future for our language in Canada. This moment shall also pass all too quickly, without a care as to whether it was used wisely or not.

Canada is recognized as an exemplary multicultural country. All cultures are equally accepted and respected here. However, the biggest drawback of Canadian multicultural structure is the lack of recognition of other languages. It is a known fact that no culture can survive without its language. Yet, at the federal level, only two languages are recognized as official languages of Canada. As any country is at any given time, Canada is a project in the making. Once upon a time the French language faced a tough battle in attaining its due recognition in Canada. Moreover, until recently, very little attention was paid to the aboriginal languages and they too are struggling to stay alive. During the mid-twentieth century, other European languages such as Ukrainian and Italian were unsuccessful in their efforts to win their place as Canadian languages. In fact, Canada became a multicultural country in response to their demands but it did not become a multi-lingual country. Over time, the number of speakers for these languages declined and now they are no longer in a position to make such demands.

At this moment the coincidental position of Punjabi in Canada is such that the Punjabi community can make an effort to advocate some reasonable changes to Canada’s language policy. This will be a step in the right direction not only for the Punjabi language but for other minority languages as well. This is a historical moment for Punjabi language but it will not remain so for long.

Here are some facts:

1. Punjabi has been spoken in Canada since 1897. However, until the early years of the 1980s, the Punjabi community and its language existed completely on the margins of mainstream society. Due to an increase in numbers and positive changes in Canadian society, the position of the Punjabi community has improved greatly but as far as language is concerned it is still on the margin. In the 2011 census Punjabi became the third largest spoken language in Canada following English and French.

2. In last year’s federal election more than twenty people from the Punjabi community were elected as part of Justin Trudeau’s liberal government. As a result Punjabi has coincidentally become the third most represented language in the present parliament, and a number of key federal ministries have been given to members from Punjabi community. However, these facts on their own will not have any effect on the situation of the Punjabi language.

3. Currently, a majority of the people within the Punjabi community are from the immigrant generation and they are using the language not only in their daily personal communication but also in their work places, businesses and in the media. The first Canadian born generation is also learning and using the language especially in large centres like Vancouver and Toronto. It is important to recognize this situation now because it will likely not be the case twenty years into the future.

4. The development in the Punjabi media during the last three to four decades is simply mind-boggling. In every Canadian city with a sizable Punjabi community such as Vancouver, Toronto, Calgary, Edmonton and a few other places, there are dozens of Punjabi newspapers. A number of glossy magazines, which are comparable to mainstream English magazines, are also published regularly. They include the Punjabi Gurmukhi script to advertise jewellery, clothing and other commercial items. These publications are a great achievement for the Punjabi language, not only on a national level but internationally as well.

In some ways, even more remarkable than the print media is the use of Punjabi in radio and television. In each city there are a number of local radio stations that are owned by Punjabis themselves and offer 24 hours Punjabi programs. Some cities also have local daily television shows while numerous programs are aired across the nation on Saturdays.

5. The Sikhs are a majority in the Punjabi community of Canada. Their relation to Punjabi language differs from the Muslim and Hindu Punjabis. For example, almost every Gurdwara makes a special effort to teach Punjabi language to the younger generation. This is not the case with local Hindu temples or mosques where Punjabis form the majority of the membership.

6. There is a vibrant community of Punjabi writers in each city. These creative individuals have published hundreds of titles in various genres during the last thirty years. A prestigious annual award for the best work of fiction in Punjabi has been established in Vancouver to recognize the vibrant literary community in the world.

In my view these are only some of the facts that place Punjabis in Canada in a suitable position to try and affect some changes to the language policy at the federal level. It is important to mention briefly that the need of the time is to have a language policy that reflects the present demographics of the country. Undoubtedly, that is a tall order and may be a lengthy process. The second suggestion could be that a formula should be created that recognizes languages according to their population and length of existence in Canada.

The present position of Punjabi will not last forever. The current Punjabi political representation could change, as can laws and policies; therefore, it is not given that immigration of Punjabis will keep on increasing. The next generations of Punjabis will not have the same relationship with Punjabi. The businesses that are at this time supporting Punjabi media will eventually start to sell their products by using mainstream media, this in turn, will directly impact the progression of Punjabi media. Although no one can predict what will happen in the future, the important thing to think about is what can be done with the current opportunities that can have a positive impact on the future of the Punjabi language.

As Canadians, we are very proud of the fact that ours is a fair and just society. This was created by fair minded people from a society that forced Komagata Maru out of Burrard Inlet a hundred years ago. There is no doubt that some people may have lost their privileged position in society but by treating all citizens equally Canada has become a better place for all to live. Similarly, if other languages are given some recognition this would certainly make Canada a much richer and inclusive place for all.

We should recognize the fact that politicians do not and cannot take on issues like these on their own. The responsibility lies with the Punjabi community who need to express their desire to see their mother tongue flourish in Canada. The time to act is now.

What has this article to do with anything about Pakistani Punjabis having zero affinity with Indian Punjabis and baboons resorting to punjabi nationalist agenda that harms the federation?

Do not confuse love for language with ethnic nationalism

 

[RangeMaster]

Orange line and Metro were enough for Lahore if we consider transport.This ropeway system would be better for Islamabad-Murree-Kashmir sections.
Nawaz League doesn't know what to build first.Education and health should be their first priority.Top ranking Govt hospital in Pakistan is PIMS Islamabad.Its world ranking is 5911.Only 4 govt hospitals come under top 20 hospitals in Pakistan.In south asia Pakistan doesn't come under top 20.Private hospital (CIDP) is at 22 while PIMS is at 74 which is top ranked govt hospital.
http://hospitals.webometrics.info/en/asia_pacifico/south asia
There are 6 hospital beds per 10000 people in Pakistan.
http://www.indexmundi.com/pakistan/hospital_bed_density.html
And there is 1 doctor for 1000 people and 1 dentist for 10000 people in Pakistan.This is the condition of health.
There is not a single Uni of international standard in Pakistan.In ranking they all come under 500.In south asia NUST and COMSATS come at 19 and 20.
In recent budget of Punjab 111 billion are allocated for health while 93 billion are allocated for orange line.
Agriculture makes up 21% of economy and consumes 43% labour force.Only 20 billion are allocated for this.In Punjab backward regions of southren punjab makes up roughly 70% of this.The govt took money from the budget allocated for southren Punjab and put it into Lahore.It looks that for Nawaz league Punjab consists of Lahore,Faisalabad and Upper regions.Zardari league is useless.They have made Karachi a shithole.Once called the Paris of asia now has a look worse then ethopia.Imran Khan is focusing on KPK.His CM poved himself a real Punjabi hater.

Foreign affairs are dead.National action plan is buried alive.On Kashmir and Kalbushan issue there is complete silence.A new wave of terror is waving this world.India is sending its troops to Afghanistan and a lot more is happening around that is dangerous for us.But the idiots ruling us are not taking this seriously.They are pulling each others legs.May Allah protect us.

 

[saba shahid]

Wow this is just great that city really needs that I hope he start this in rawalpindi too.

 

[El Sidd]

I like your post. But sadly speaking, the gentleman responded to, was just making a point and a valid one, like yours. I've read pages and pages of divide among you guys. How many of you are focused on their group / clan then their country? All I read is (and know to some degree), that Benzir's party is a Sindhi focused organization, and has always been (I've visited Karachi and it has become a disgusting place to be honest, I've seen it s a city like Houston just in the 90's and it is the main artery of Pakistan). But people fail to not vote for the Sindhi party even though they've made the entire city a dumpster and haven't done anything to help the people. See the loyalty to their clan?

Now Khan has started the Pashtun card, the proof is all here just on this thread, I can name reading a hundred pages of that divide on this forum and India is taking advantage of this divide in Baluchistan and then Sindh. Their estimate was that they would cut off Pakistan into pieces based just on the divide that exists. An outsider reading this, I can only say shame on all these people who are involved in spreading divide. You should be thankful that you have a country. Ask the Indian Muslims and the Indian Punjabi's how they feel, when they can't carry out their most basic religious obligations properly and eat what they want to. Its truly sad that someone from a whole different background is telling you this!

I can only say that though these parties do not really care if the people take them as nationalists or whatever, in the end all they crave is the vote bank which enables them to further loot the masses.
It will be a huge generalization if we group them as nationalist parties though they may project as such to a foreigner independent analyst.

 

[DJ_Viper]

I can only say that though these parties do not really care if the people take them as nationalists or whatever, in the end all they crave is the vote bank which enables them to further loot the masses.
It will be a huge generalization if we group them as nationalist parties though they may project as such to a foreigner independent analyst.

I think you missed the point, no matter what you call them, the votes should only go to the one's who helped change ordinary lives and created opportunity for the people. Everything else is gossip and b.s.

 

[El Sidd]

I think you missed the point, no matter what you call them, the votes should only go to the one's who helped change ordinary lives and created opportunity for the people. Everything else is gossip and b.s.

Pakistan is a unique country. And no sir ordinary people's lives have worsened under both PMLN and PPP.

PTI may have an edge over them based on very little headway they have made in kpk NWFP but they haven't helped themselves recently either.

 

[LimaCharlie]

I guess it's dead then?

 

[Muhammad Omar]

I guess it's dead then?

Yupe it's dead.. Tram on canal road is still on cards

 

[LimaCharlie]

Yupe it's dead.. Tram on canal road is still on cards

Hope it surfaces, any update on that? Pls say yes

 

[Muhammad Omar]

Hope it surfaces, any update on that? Pls say yes

Sadly nope