Riyadh to Upgrade Typhoons ahead of partners

[SQ8]

F-15 Eagle, F-15 Strike Eagle, F-15 Saudi Advanced, Tornado IDS/ECR,
Tornado ADV, F5s and Typhoon Trench 2 & 3.

And no, we have above 900 planes in total.

The scramble website which maintains a very accurate record of aircraft is a better judge.
A query on the F-15 in the Saudi AF returns 145 active(flyable) items.. 60 F-15C, 20 F-15D, 65 F-15S and one F-15SA(currently with Boeing) , with their serial numbers.

A query on the Tornado returns 80 active aircraft with serial numbers from a total operated type of 123.

A query on the F-5 returns 15 aircraft still in active service since 15sq is suspected as no longer flying and neither is 17sq from a max record of 206.Which means that all of the F-5A and B types have been retired as have been most of the F-5 fleet.

There are currently 26 typhoons listed as active.

So currently there are 266 combat aircraft operational within the RSAF. There are also the Hawk trainers which are unconfirmed if they are combat capable and there are 43 Hawks in service as of right now from a total order of 58.

There are 5 E-3 sentry's operational along with 7 KE-3A's there are tankers based on the E-3s and two RE-3 SIGINT/ELINT aircraft operational. Additionally there are 7 KC-130's currently operational with the RSAF however they are only able to refuel the F-5 or Tornado aircraft(and now Typhoon) .

Hence the actual combat force(i.e those that will be active in combat operations or support operations today) is actually 287 and not 642 or 900 or whatever.

The large number of aircraft is with the large Royal flight based at King Khaled which caters to the needs of the Royal family and hence cannot actually be considered force types and are generally VIP aircraft so like others the 30 aircraft they have do not count and no enemy will consider a plush sofa 747 a threat.

 

[HAIDER]

The scramble website which maintains a very accurate record of aircraft is a better judge.
A query on the F-15 in the Saudi AF returns 145 active(flyable) items.. 60 F-15C, 20 F-15D, 65 F-15S and one F-15SA(currently with Boeing) , with their serial numbers.

A query on the Tornado returns 80 active aircraft with serial numbers from a total operated type of 123.

A query on the F-5 returns 15 aircraft still in active service since 15sq is suspected as no longer flying and neither is 17sq from a max record of 206.Which means that all of the F-5A and B types have been retired as have been most of the F-5 fleet.

There are currently 26 typhoons listed as active.

So currently there are 266 combat aircraft operational within the RSAF. There are also the Hawk trainers which are unconfirmed if they are combat capable and there are 43 Hawks in service as of right now from a total order of 58.

There are 5 E-3 sentry's operational along with 7 KE-3A's there are tankers based on the E-3s and two RE-3 SIGINT/ELINT aircraft operational. Additionally there are 7 KC-130's currently operational with the RSAF however they are only able to refuel the F-5 or Tornado aircraft(and now Typhoon) .

Hence the actual combat force(i.e those that will be active in combat operations or support operations today) is actually 287 and not 642 or 900 or whatever.

The large number of aircraft is with the large Royal flight based at King Khaled which caters to the needs of the Royal family and hence cannot actually be considered force types and are generally VIP aircraft so like others the 30 aircraft they have do not count and no enemy will consider a plush sofa 747 a threat.

So, 280 is correct number give and take....

Saudi Arabia has the third largest air force in the Middle East behind Iran and Israel. The Royal Saudi Air Force has 280 "combat capable" aircraft, according to data compiled by the Center for Strategic & International Studies. Israel has 424; Iran, 312; and the UAE, 184. The Wall Street Journal did not specify the model of F-15 being bought by Riyadh, but experts widely assumed it to be the upgraded Strike Eagle. It will significantly boost the power and sophistication of the Saudi air force. The jet, designed for precision air-to-surface attacks, was the main one used by the US in destroying Iraq's radar and missile systems during the 2003 invasion

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[Yzd Khalifa]

Haider,

Like I said the RSAF has + above 900 planes - 200 planes will be deliver in the next 5 years -

I suppose googling won't take a nation from you to find that out ,right?

Royal Saudi Air Force - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Military Strength of Saudi Arabia

Well.....can you breakdwon the figure or you want me to do that ?. Statics are not secret anymore , every purchase in the world officially announce.

According to Arab aviation ,,,all plane and helicopters make 945...mean all flying wings in Saudi armed forces. Here is detail of Saudi airbase and their location too.
Arab Aviation > Air Power > Royal Saudi Air Force


(My first rule is not to disrespect anyone)

 

[SQ8]

Haider,

Like I said the RSAF has + above 900 planes - 200 planes will be deliver in the next 5 years -

I suppose googling won't take a nation from you to find that out ,right?

Royal Saudi Air Force - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Military Strength of Saudi Arabia

So essentially , you would rather stick to wiki and general resources that give NO detail at all and are generally suited for amateurish discussion instead of relying on researched databases?

The source you quoted also counts retired F-5s sitting in the desert with their tyre's half melted and cracked.
Lets look at another thing our friend google throws up from global security which is generally more reliable and quoted.

So if this is to be taken at value.. then currently the RSAF has 111+164 combat capable aircraft.. that is 275.
It has 34 support assets, 55 Transports..some 96 trainers.. and 61 helicopters to make it a total of 521 things that fly in the air.. so there are according to you some 379 ghosts that the RSAF has right now flying.

By 2015 if acquisitions go on track the RSAF will have 563 things that fly which means there are still some 337 Jinn you have to clarify the existence of. EVEN if the extra option of 72 further Typhoons and a 100 JSF is exercised all the way till 2020.. that still leaves some 165 Ghosts which is only known to you.

 

[Yzd Khalifa]

@Oscar

A query on the F-5 returns 15 aircraft still in active service since 15sq is suspected as no longer flying and neither is 17sq from a max record of 206.Which means that all of the F-5A and B types have been retired as have been most of the F-5 fleet.

The F5s aren't retired yet, 25 of them are customized for special-mission jets, the remainder are being used for as trainers, and will be withdrawn from service when the RSAF receives the entire order of the Typhoons.

There are currently 26 typhoons listed as active.

No, currently the RSAF has 28 Typhoons in their inventory, the remainder is yet to be delivered.

Hence the actual combat force(i.e those that will be active in combat operations or support operations today) is actually 287 and not 642 or 900 or whatever.

So currently there are 266 combat aircraft operational within the RSAF. There are also the Hawk trainers which are unconfirmed if they are combat capable and there are 43 Hawks in service as of right now from a total order of 58.

I have never argued about the number of fighter jets, but the RSAF inventory as a whole, which means Haider didn't provide accurate information in this regard, which nullifies his claims.

The large number of aircraft is with the large Royal flight based at King Khaled which caters to the needs of the Royal family and hence cannot actually be considered force types and are generally VIP aircraft so like others the 30 aircraft they have do not count and no enemy will consider a plush sofa 747 a threat.

That isn't true, Khalid's international Airport has three main terminals, first is for the domestic flights, international flights, and the third is being used to receive INTL delegations, whereas Faisal's airport - which is located in the middle of Riyadh - hosts the Royal Airplanes. Just for the record, there are only 4 members in the ROYAL family who happen to have Aircrafts of their own, which means that the rest of the family can only use either Saudi Airline or Nas Airline.

 

[SQ8]

@Oscar
That isn't true, Khalid's international Airport has three main terminals, first is for the domestic flights, international flights, and the third is being used to receive INTL delegations, whereas Faisal's airport - which is located in the middle of Riyadh - hosts the Royal Airplanes. Just for the record, there are only 4 members in the ROYAL family who happen to have Aircrafts of their own, which means that the rest of the family can only use either Saudi Airline or Nas Airline.

Dude, My father traveled from medina to Riyadh with a certain royal family member on one of these planes simply due to sheer luck(or rather the blessing of the Prophet) and good graces of the Prince. So I am not sure which of these family members are there.

HAIDER's claims are incorrect but so are yours.. by a long shot. Please read that statement again, NOT ALL F-5s are retired but these are the most recent F-5E Tiger II aircraft and not the original F-5A's delivered. You are counting ghosts and denying open evidence to the contrary.

There is a counter argument and then there is a ridiculous number which is what you have used in your posts. I have not done so nor has this Haider fellow.

 

[Cat12345]

Why is it that when i'm searching or reading threads and suddenly i see alot of Typhoon threads/quotes? I think many of you are Typhoon fanboys, It's pure Typhoon masturbation

 

[Yzd Khalifa]

@Oscar
Your father must have been a friend of the King or the late crown prince, they live Pakistan to death, so am I.

Dude, My father traveled from medina to Riyadh with a certain royal family member on one of these planes simply due to sheer luck(or rather the blessing of the Prophet) and good graces of the Prince. So I am not sure which of these family members are there.

I'm not saying you're lying, I just wanted to let you know that there are only 4 figures in the Royal family who happen to have planes of their own, Sir.

HAIDER's claims are incorrect but so are yours.. by a long shot. Please read that statement again, NOT ALL F-5s are retired but these are the most recent F-5E Tiger II aircraft and not the original F-5A's delivered. You are counting ghosts and denying open evidence to the contrary.

My response to Haider must have been a bit vague, I apologize for confusing you, I was referring to the RSAF aircraft inventory as a whole, not the number of the fighter jets solely.

 

[Yzd Khalifa]

Why is it that when i'm searching or reading threads and suddenly i see alot of Typhoon threads/quotes? I think many of you are Typhoon fanboys, It's pure Typhoon masturbation

I love the Typhoons as much as I love the F-15s, got a problem bro?

 

[Cat12345]

I love the Typhoons as much as I love the F-15s, got a problem bro?

No...... It's just many of you love Typhoon many of you are masturbating for a good show. I like flying cars more than aircraft. Or maybe it's time for a banana dance?

 

[SQ8]

@Oscar
Your father must have been a friend of the King or the late crown prince, they live Pakistan to death, so am I.



I'm not saying you're lying, I just wanted to let you know that there are only 4 figures in the Royal family who happen to have planes of their own, Sir.



My response to Haider must have been a bit vague, I apologize for confusing you, I was referring to the RSAF aircraft inventory as a whole, not the number of the fighter jets solely.

The numbers, even the total your quoted is far from the actual. It is better to look at links like scramble or global security as these are already well researched and scramble goes so far as to have the serial numbers of these aircraft available for verification.

My father was just an employee of Kingdom Holdings( Bin talal's group) who happened to be in Medina and found that the regular flight was cancelled and there was no way he could make it to Riyadh before next morning where he had to attend an important meeting. All he did was make a request to the Prophet(which will be regarded as shirk or bidah or whatever comes to certain people) that I came to your city and now I have to return to mine.
Plain and simply, the airline guy came over and told him that there were no flights.. But if he wished there was this private aircraft leaving for Riyadh and he could get on it provided the main passengers granted him permission. That happened and he came back on this particular lavish aircraft.

 

[Yzd Khalifa]

@Oscar

Point taken.

Regarding your father story, Al-Waleed is richy rich, he is a businessman but doesn't get involve in the Gov't affairs at all. It's a good thing that your father made it on time!

 

[SQ8]

@Oscar

Point taken.

Regarding your father story, Al-Waleed is richy rich, he is a businessman but doesn't get involve in the Gov't affairs at all. It's a good thing that your father made it on time!

You have had to see his office to really understand that definition.

 

[HAIDER]

Well my numbers come from wiki, which include all fixed and rotary , 642 . But actual number from independent source is 280 for combats.

 

[Super Falcon]

i think saudis wasting their money they just got the EF and now they are upgrading it why they did not asked them upgraded version at firt englishman is clever no partners got upgrade why they are going waste of money now saudi get upgrade after 1 month they launch more latest upgrade and than saudi waste their money again on it

in thie upgrade price they should get new russsian air superiority fighter jet like SU 35 and mig 35 with this they have more potent force if they ever go for war against jew they have toy which their puppets dont have like SU 35 and Mig 35