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Rising above differences!

The rhetoric writer points towards is coming from one side alone, No proof has been provided by the Pakistani counterparts of Indian involvement be it TTP or BLA or MQM. It's about time Pakistani citizenry rise up and start questioning their own establishment about how and why tens of thousands of their own people died at the hands of a product of their own cockeyed policies.

there is no question of rising above differences when Pakistan tries to play like a spoiled brat, and issue warning about nuclear attack. Enough of Aman ka Tamasha.
 
Or Pakistan should ask itself at what cost is it ready to continue fighting for Kashmir???
Pakistanis never fought for Kashmir. If they did, why hand over a part of it to China? They always wanted to fight against India in Kashmir, because fighting with India on their own land could bring unimaginable collateral damage as it happened in 1965 and 1971 :sarcastic:
 
Or Pakistan should ask itself at what cost is it ready to continue fighting for Kashmir???

It does. That is a question that every policy in every government has to address. Everything has cost to life. Ditto Taiwan/China, Ditto India/China, ditto Iran/Isreal need I go on?

When India accepts rising Chinese hegemony in the region and chucks the towel so will we ......
 
It does. That is a question that every policy in every government has to address. Everything has cost to life. Ditto Taiwan/China, Ditto India/China, ditto Iran/Isreal need I go on?
Okay let me make it more clear...can pakistan afford it???
India can not...and we've been paying the price for it.

Is it so difficult to make you guys understand that Kashmir is asphyxiating your economy???
 
Or Pakistan should ask itself at what cost is it ready to continue fighting for Kashmir???
If they worried about cost they would have stopped when they lost their eastern wing. But that's the beauty of not having your own identity, it gives you a false sense of continuity even if your own people get obliterated. The thought process is something like this ... 'We all might die while trying to kill our perceived enemy but our second cousins will survive to sing songs about our bravery in the name of family honor'.

Friendship!
that's cute.
 
Pakistanis never fought for Kashmir. If they did, why hand over a part of it to China? They always wanted to fight against India in Kashmir, because fighting with India on their own land could bring unimaginable collateral damage as it happened in 1965 and 1971 :sarcastic:
almost all of those fighting for the Kashmir jihad are Punjabis, 'jungli' Pakistani wahhabi Punjabis

and they speak different languages in Indian and Pak Kashmir

just make it an international border already and be done with it damnit :angry:

we should be happy with our share each :P
 
Okay let me make it more clear...can pakistan afford it???
India can not...and we've been paying the price for it.

Is it so difficult to make you guys understand that Kashmir is asphyxiating your economy???

The same question I could posit to India. At the risk of going over the same ground again you know India has vast amounts of malnutrion that would make Sub Sahara Africa blush.

Why not cut back on the massive weapons purchases that you have in the pipeline in order to keep up with the Chinese. You know their economy is superior to yours by a wide margin. Just cancelling few purchases would put nutrition in those starved bodies. If we are going to introspect it applies to both.

I think you know in Pakistan we have cross country welfare program that provides over Rs1,500 to every poor household - the BISP scheme which now covers 50% of the population in Pakistan. Why does India not spend less on defence and do the same?

As a sideline our problems on the economic side are through poor management and not by definition because of Kashmir. In fact the biggest problem I think we have in Pakistan is the failure to define a secular construct of our identity. This failure is root cause of our malaise as we have a nation without any moorings other than a tenous understanding of "Islam".

These problems can be traced to the formative and the genesis of Pakistan and the subsequent failure to sort this out properly. Today the main differance I see in India and Pakistan is not one is poor and the other is prosperous. Indeed I think most Pakistani's are actually better off then most Indian's notwithstanding the big talk.

Neither is the big differance in terms of terrorism. India is also plagued with insurgents. Naxalites come to mind besides others. Yes, at the perceptuel level TTP is worse. Naxalites kill some Indian's and nobody even knows beyond the victims familes. TTP because of it'sd shared vision with Islamists is of interest to the West. Thus TTP attack and CNN, Fox, BBC, ITV, Television Fancasise, Deutche TV, Der Speigel ( need I go on ) trigger off headlines? In other words our crap rebounds all over the world. Yours stays within the poor in Bihar or Jharlhand jungles.

No. The real differance and the only significant differance I see between Indian and Pakistani is Indian's are welded around their identity. Most Indians are Indians. Most Pakistani don't know if they are Desi, South Asian, Muslim, Sindhi or whatever etc.

In fact debates still rage on about why we exist. This is like a stupid person asking "why I exist". The only reason you exist is your dad had a twinkle in his eye. It is that simple. However at nearly 70 years old the debate still rages ....

That is the only differance I see.

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