Rimsha case: Imam masjid, Khalid Jadoon held

[Spring Onion]

Your point was effectively made, but some of the misconceptions are troubling.

Gandhi was not killed by his own Hindu extremists, but by Hindu extremists. He had always opposed them throughout his political career. When you say that they were 'his' Hindu extremists, you are simultaneously insulting him and all that he stood for, and showing a lack of knowledge of the facts in question.

By his own i dint mean they were his allies. By his own i mean your own people from the same religion. And i respect Gandhi for many reasons which i might discuss some other day.

Also, there was no need to bring in the comment maker's 'own Hindu mythology and religious texts' to make your point, and reduce yourself to arguing at his level. I say this as an agnostic. Also as one who is not wholly convinced by Gandhi's campaign and overall strategy, one who is emphatically not a Gandhi supporter or a supporter of the present
Congress party.

I believe in preaching oneself before pointing fingers at others so i felt it was better to remind him that such a thing was present in his own backyard as well which he never will blame on his religion so its better not to be sterotype in case of others as if gods can fight among each other then men are born to fight wether for power or otherwise its the fact

 

[Riteon]

Islam never preaches violence simple as that. There are orders for fighting for own rights and against when others commit crimes against humanity and in such a war/fights there are casualties which is not a new thing in Any religion.

as far as Medival age and religions are concerned there are many which needs reforms other than Islam

Islam justifies the need for violence , eg being the killings of blaephemers , the promotion of Ghazwa e hind, and so on


For every probelm, there are man solutions, killing is just one of them


Other religions...Xians and hindus both have undergone many reforms and are still udnergoing many reform..........Do google and you will see the number of reform movement of various ideas and philosophies prevalent in India...and even after reform they remain hindus

Sati is banned , Caste system is abolished by law [ and slowly disppearing from the general mindset ] child marriage is banned .....so forth

Xian nations are the most reformed nations now...they underwent revolution afte dark ages, came up with human rights and equality ,democarcy and religious freedom .


Islam will never undergo reforms....For there is prevalent belief that Islam and Quran are perfect and all words are words of God ....and going against it is Sinful.................this will compel everyone not to undergo any reforms or rebel against reforms ......

 

[Hyperion]

This law will never end Sir this law will be always their and who ever will try to end will himself end for ever Sir this is law of Islam no one can end it Sir in fact trying this will lead massacre complete massacre for minorities in Pakistan

Zarvan, you're an idiot. The only thing you can talk about is killing. You need serious medication as I feel you are suffering from a chronic neurological disorder.

Now about the killing part: You think taking human life is a joke? Your thoughts are ugly, and if my past observations holds true, you must be physically BUTT ugly as well.

It's kinda annoying, there are more religious FUNDOS on this forum than I have met in my entire life. Your identities need to be made public so problem of your existence can be corrected!

 

[Riteon]

And your own Hindu mythology and religious texts are full of fights too. so dont be so naive to preach something is not followed by you

Most of the fights in Hindu history are not for the sake of GOd but for the sake of whats Right.

No one will be killed ,if he doesnt believe God.
No one will be killed if he doesnt follow your god
and Dharma yudh was not for spreading religion but for correcting the wrong


Thats why Buddhism,jainism and sikhism were born and flourished in Ancient India. Parsis survived for so long.Jews found shelter and Atheism existed from times unknown in India !!!

Mainly THERE IS NO RELIGIOUS COMPULSION. karma and its effect......what you sow you reap.....Your deeds give your rewards .....Social order and laws have always been made by the society for that time...


Xians have learned from history their mistakes and moved on...they dont cling to it.....rather they prefer logic and science to be involved to prevent blind faith ... they are more open [ more than hindus ] to sef criticism and corrections.....When Da vinci's Code or The golden Compass was released [ Production direction and acting by Xians mostly ] they didnot go around bombing theatre or threatening ppl .....instead they organised pickets ,did rallies protesting and did media campain against it ......but still the movies were hit.....My catholic friend read Da vince code and told me its a good fiction ...and thats it...his blood did not boil nor he issued fatwa to kill dan brown

 

[Riteon]

And your own Hindu mythology and religious texts are full of fights too. so dont be so naive to preach something is not followed by you

Most of the fights in Hindu history are not for the sake of GOd but for the sake of whats Right.

No one will be killed ,if he doesnt believe God.
No one will be killed if he doesnt follow your god
and Dharma yudh was not for spreading religion but for correcting the wrong


Thats why Buddhism,jainism and sikhism were born and flourished in Ancient India. Parsis survived for so long.Jews found shelter and Atheism existed from times unknown in India !!!

Mainly THERE IS NO RELIGIOUS COMPULSION. karma and its effect......what you sow you reap.....Your deeds give your rewards .....Social order and laws have always been made by the society for that time...


Xians have learned from history their mistakes and moved on...they dont cling to it.....rather they prefer logic and science to be involved to prevent blind faith ... they are more open [ more than hindus ] to sef criticism and corrections.....When Da vinci's Code or The golden Compass was released [ Production direction and acting by Xians mostly ] they didnot go around bombing theatre or threatening ppl .....instead they organised pickets ,did rallies protesting and did media campain against it ......but still the movies were hit.....My catholic friend read Da vince code and told me its a good fiction ...and thats it...his blood did not boil nor he issued fatwa to kill dan brown

 

[mjnaushad]

Islam justifies the need for violence , eg being the killings of blaephemers , the promotion of Ghazwa e hind, and so on


For every probelm, there are man solutions, killing is just one of them


Other religions...Xians and hindus both have undergone many reforms and are still udnergoing many reform..........Do google and you will see the number of reform movement of various ideas and philosophies prevalent in India...and even after reform they remain hindus

Sati is banned , Caste system is abolished by law [ and slowly disppearing from the general mindset ] child marriage is banned .....so forth

Xian nations are the most reformed nations now...they underwent revolution afte dark ages, came up with human rights and equality ,democarcy and religious freedom .


Islam will never undergo reforms....For there is prevalent belief that Islam and Quran are perfect and all words are words of God ....and going against it is Sinful.................this will compel everyone not to undergo any reforms or rebel against reforms ......

You really know nothing about islam..... blasphmy law is more muslims made law instead of islamic law.....and ghazwa himd is fanboy stuff.....

 

[Al Bhatti]

Does our blasphemy laws include punishment for insulting the family members of the prophet (PBUH) and Abu Baker, Umar, Usman and Ali and all other companions of the Prophet (PBUH)

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April 12, 2012

Kuwait parliament endorses tougher anti-blasphemy law

Kuwait's parliament has endorsed a draft law stipulating harsher penalties for insulting God or Prophet Mohammad, his family or companions

Kuwait's parliament has endorsed a draft law stipulating harsher penalties for insulting God or Prophet Mohammad, his family or companions.

The draft was approved by 46 MPs, including members from the government, after an intense debate on Thursday ,and opposed by four while two abstained.

The lawmakers had to overcome sharp divergences bordering on sectarianism as well as calls by some MPs to impose the death penalty on offenders.

The issue of tougher sentences gained further significance after bloggers in Saudi Arabia and Kuwait posted remarks deemed blasphemous on their social network accounts and sparked furore in their home countries.

Kuwait's parliament, voted in on February 2, is dominated by conservatives who have been pushing for an amendment of the laws to reflect their ideology.

Kuwait parliament endorses tougher anti-blasphemy law | GulfNews.com

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May 3, 2012

Kuwait close to death penalty law for blasphemy

Kuwaiti lawmakers endorsed a legal amendment on Thursday which could make insulting God and the Prophet Mohammad by Muslims punishable by death, in a second reading that brings the proposal a step closer to passing.

The plan still needs approval by Kuwait's ruler before it becomes law and follows a high-profile case of suspected blasphemy on Twitter which caused an uproar in the Gulf state.

The draft now includes a new clause which will mean the death penalty will only be applied if the person stands by their actions when questioned by a judge.

This would give defendants the opportunity to repent and face a prison term or a fine instead.

The amendment, which would apply the death penalty only for Muslims, was backed by 40 members of parliament, while six opposed it - slightly more than in the previous reading.

Around 85 percent of Kuwait's inhabitants are thought to be Muslim. Expatriate Christians and Hindus are the next largest groups.

Blasphemy is illegal under Kuwait's publications law and under the penal code as slander or libel. At present it carries a jail term, the length of which depends on the severity of the comments and their perceived effect on society, lawyers say.

Islamist MPs proposed toughening the law in March after authorities arrested a Kuwaiti man they said had defamed the Prophet, his companions and his wife on the Twitter messaging site.

The man, identified by his lawyer as Hamad al-Naqi, has told police his account was hacked. He is now in pre-trial detention.

Dozens of Sunni activists protested to condemn Naqi, who is from Kuwait's Shi'ite Muslim minority.

Other countries which have used the death penalty in blasphemy cases include Kuwait's neighbor Saudi Arabia and Pakistan, according to Amnesty International.

Kuwait close to death penalty law for blasphemy | Reuters

 

[mjnaushad]

Islam justifies the need for violence , eg being the killings of blaephemers , the promotion of Ghazwa e hind, and so on


For every probelm, there are man solutions, killing is just one of them


Other religions...Xians and hindus both have undergone many reforms and are still udnergoing many reform..........Do google and you will see the number of reform movement of various ideas and philosophies prevalent in India...and even after reform they remain hindus

Sati is banned , Caste system is abolished by law [ and slowly disppearing from the general mindset ] child marriage is banned .....so forth

Xian nations are the most reformed nations now...they underwent revolution afte dark ages, came up with human rights and equality ,democarcy and religious freedom .


Islam will never undergo reforms....For there is prevalent belief that Islam and Quran are perfect and all words are words of God ....and going against it is Sinful.................this will compel everyone not to undergo any reforms or rebel against reforms ......

You really know nothing about islam..... blasphmy law is more muslims made law instead of islamic law.....and ghazwa himd is fanboy stuff.....

 

[Riteon]

You really know nothing about islam..... blasphmy law is more muslims made law instead of islamic law.....and ghazwa himd is fanboy stuff.....

Yes for both.....

But each time in both cases ....Both sides Quote hadiths and Quran verses .....................continued existence of blasephemy law just proves it .............Ghazwa - e hind still being the Rally speeches of some maulvi's quoting hadiths ..............Fanboy stuff or not, they tend to motivate and push the believeing muslims to the direction intented

 

[Riteon]

You really know nothing about islam..... blasphmy law is more muslims made law instead of islamic law.....and ghazwa himd is fanboy stuff.....

Yes for both.....

But each time in both cases ....Both sides Quote hadiths and Quran verses .....................continued existence of blasephemy law just proves it .............Ghazwa - e hind still being the Rally speeches of some maulvi's quoting hadiths ..............Fanboy stuff or not, they tend to motivate and push the believeing muslims to the direction intented

 

[Spring Onion]

Islam justifies the need for violence , eg being the killings of blaephemers

Islam does NOT justify need for violence rather common individuals do.

, the promotion of Ghazwa e hind,

Nuts promote that NOT Islam

Other religions...Xians and hindus both have undergone many reforms and are still udnergoing many reform..........Do google and you will see the number of reform movement of various ideas and philosophies prevalent in India...and even after reform they remain hindus

Reforms on papers and not of mentality which is the main issue

, Caste system is abolished by law [ and slowly disppearing from the general mindset ] child marriage is banned .....so forth

Again on papers and sans implementation in most of the cases

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Islam will never undergo reforms..

Islam does NOT need reforms only self-styled mullas and self-styled thekadars of Islam need reforms.


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.For there is prevalent belief that Islam and Quran are perfect and all words are words of God

Yes for us and for me its perfect since i have studied it carefully with understanding and i found guidance for everything ranging from personal living to the community level socialisation, the Quran has described everything along with suggestions.

....and going against it is Sinful.................this will compel everyone not to undergo any reforms or rebel against reforms ......

Going against is indeed sinful and the punishment for such sins has been described by Quran which is to be given to the sinful in the hearafter for personal sins whereas Quran clearly describes Punishments for those in this world who are harming the common man and society in general which is the most fantastic about Islam. Which means that Islam advocates working for social reforms and social justice more than personal affairs

 

[Zarvan]

You really know nothing about islam..... blasphmy law is more muslims made law instead of islamic law.....and ghazwa himd is fanboy stuff.....

Blashmey law is law of Islam not Muslim law in the sense which you are saying this is clearly proven by Quran and Hadees Mr

 

[Riteon]

Does our blasphemy laws include punishment for insulting the family members of the prophet (PBUH) and Abu Baker, Umar, Usman and Ali and all other companions of the Prophet (PBUH)

-----------

April 12, 2012

Kuwait parliament endorses tougher anti-blasphemy law

Kuwait's parliament has endorsed a draft law stipulating harsher penalties for insulting God or Prophet Mohammad, his family or companions

Kuwait's parliament has endorsed a draft law stipulating harsher penalties for insulting God or Prophet Mohammad, his family or companions.

The draft was approved by 46 MPs, including members from the government, after an intense debate on Thursday ,and opposed by four while two abstained.

The lawmakers had to overcome sharp divergences bordering on sectarianism as well as calls by some MPs to impose the death penalty on offenders.

The issue of tougher sentences gained further significance after bloggers in Saudi Arabia and Kuwait posted remarks deemed blasphemous on their social network accounts and sparked furore in their home countries.

Kuwait's parliament, voted in on February 2, is dominated by conservatives who have been pushing for an amendment of the laws to reflect their ideology.

Kuwait parliament endorses tougher anti-blasphemy law | GulfNews.com

-------

May 3, 2012

Kuwait close to death penalty law for blasphemy

Kuwaiti lawmakers endorsed a legal amendment on Thursday which could make insulting God and the Prophet Mohammad by Muslims punishable by death, in a second reading that brings the proposal a step closer to passing.

The plan still needs approval by Kuwait's ruler before it becomes law and follows a high-profile case of suspected blasphemy on Twitter which caused an uproar in the Gulf state.

The draft now includes a new clause which will mean the death penalty will only be applied if the person stands by their actions when questioned by a judge.

This would give defendants the opportunity to repent and face a prison term or a fine instead.

The amendment, which would apply the death penalty only for Muslims, was backed by 40 members of parliament, while six opposed it - slightly more than in the previous reading.

Around 85 percent of Kuwait's inhabitants are thought to be Muslim. Expatriate Christians and Hindus are the next largest groups.

Blasphemy is illegal under Kuwait's publications law and under the penal code as slander or libel. At present it carries a jail term, the length of which depends on the severity of the comments and their perceived effect on society, lawyers say.

Islamist MPs proposed toughening the law in March after authorities arrested a Kuwaiti man they said had defamed the Prophet, his companions and his wife on the Twitter messaging site.

The man, identified by his lawyer as Hamad al-Naqi, has told police his account was hacked. He is now in pre-trial detention.

Dozens of Sunni activists protested to condemn Naqi, who is from Kuwait's Shi'ite Muslim minority.

Other countries which have used the death penalty in blasphemy cases include Kuwait's neighbor Saudi Arabia and Pakistan, according to Amnesty International.

Kuwait close to death penalty law for blasphemy | Reuters

Death penalty law is only for muslims ?? what about non muslims ??

 

[Zarvan]

You really know nothing about islam..... blasphmy law is more muslims made law instead of islamic law.....and ghazwa himd is fanboy stuff.....

Blashmey law is law of Islam not Muslim law in the sense which you are saying this is clearly proven by Quran and Hadees Mr

 

[Riteon]

Does our blasphemy laws include punishment for insulting the family members of the prophet (PBUH) and Abu Baker, Umar, Usman and Ali and all other companions of the Prophet (PBUH)

-----------

April 12, 2012

Kuwait parliament endorses tougher anti-blasphemy law

Kuwait's parliament has endorsed a draft law stipulating harsher penalties for insulting God or Prophet Mohammad, his family or companions

Kuwait's parliament has endorsed a draft law stipulating harsher penalties for insulting God or Prophet Mohammad, his family or companions.

The draft was approved by 46 MPs, including members from the government, after an intense debate on Thursday ,and opposed by four while two abstained.

The lawmakers had to overcome sharp divergences bordering on sectarianism as well as calls by some MPs to impose the death penalty on offenders.

The issue of tougher sentences gained further significance after bloggers in Saudi Arabia and Kuwait posted remarks deemed blasphemous on their social network accounts and sparked furore in their home countries.

Kuwait's parliament, voted in on February 2, is dominated by conservatives who have been pushing for an amendment of the laws to reflect their ideology.

Kuwait parliament endorses tougher anti-blasphemy law | GulfNews.com

-------

May 3, 2012

Kuwait close to death penalty law for blasphemy

Kuwaiti lawmakers endorsed a legal amendment on Thursday which could make insulting God and the Prophet Mohammad by Muslims punishable by death, in a second reading that brings the proposal a step closer to passing.

The plan still needs approval by Kuwait's ruler before it becomes law and follows a high-profile case of suspected blasphemy on Twitter which caused an uproar in the Gulf state.

The draft now includes a new clause which will mean the death penalty will only be applied if the person stands by their actions when questioned by a judge.

This would give defendants the opportunity to repent and face a prison term or a fine instead.

The amendment, which would apply the death penalty only for Muslims, was backed by 40 members of parliament, while six opposed it - slightly more than in the previous reading.

Around 85 percent of Kuwait's inhabitants are thought to be Muslim. Expatriate Christians and Hindus are the next largest groups.

Blasphemy is illegal under Kuwait's publications law and under the penal code as slander or libel. At present it carries a jail term, the length of which depends on the severity of the comments and their perceived effect on society, lawyers say.

Islamist MPs proposed toughening the law in March after authorities arrested a Kuwaiti man they said had defamed the Prophet, his companions and his wife on the Twitter messaging site.

The man, identified by his lawyer as Hamad al-Naqi, has told police his account was hacked. He is now in pre-trial detention.

Dozens of Sunni activists protested to condemn Naqi, who is from Kuwait's Shi'ite Muslim minority.

Other countries which have used the death penalty in blasphemy cases include Kuwait's neighbor Saudi Arabia and Pakistan, according to Amnesty International.

Kuwait close to death penalty law for blasphemy | Reuters

Death penalty law is only for muslims ?? what about non muslims ??