Revival: The Muslim Response to the Crusades

[Gothic]

Mongols and Chinese ethnic Han are different people. Don't be intellectually dishonest.

Only the chinese want you to believe that brother , the mongol holocaust was a sino-mongol offensive believe it or not

 

[Attila the Hun]

It's made!

https://defence.pk/threads/spectacular-architecture-and-art.467122/

@Markus @Gothic @Attila the Hun

I was just about to tag you and ask what is taking so long, because I went to the Members section and saw no thread

 

[EgyptianAmerican]

I was just about to tag you and ask what is taking so long, because I went to the Members section and saw no thread

Do you see it now?

 

[lastofthepatriots]

Only the chinese want you to believe that brother , the mongol holocaust was a sino-mongol offensive believe it or not

Don't tell me you are one of those Aryan race Iranians.


These Hazara Mongols are closer to the Turks than the Chinese. If you compare Nomadic Turks with Mongols, they are basically cousins.

 

[Attila the Hun]

No. They are mostly peaceful people.

Here is a video about a Hazara Pakistani girl that is a martial artist:

Also we have had great military general Muhammad Musa in Pakistan that was a Hazara.

I heard about them, well, mainly on this forum, but didn't know much about them. Thanks!

Don't tell me you are one of those Aryan race Iranians.


These Hazara Mongols are closer to the Turks than the Chinese. If you compare Nomadic Turks with Mongols, they are basically cousins.

I don't consider Mongols one of us. Mongols are not Turkic at all. And having spoken to some Mongols, I really don't like these people at all. But, yeah, just based on my experience with them, They don't like Turks either. Just go check their forums lol

 

[The SC]

Modern events are based on events before.

The crusades broke the arab worlds backbone and it became what it is today. Broken down vasalls with muppet leaders and cultural downfall.

Italy hasn´t conquered the world? Catholicism has.

Israel is a western nation. We heavily support it and make it immune against any islamic agression.

Again...your peopels fate is absolute irrelevant for me. I only care for my people. If its necessary to kill millions of enemies so be it. The crusades were sucessfull in the way that they secured europe from oriental barbarism.

The Renaissance, all the beautiful art, culture and society we developed in Italy out of Rome was only possible because we had peace. That peace was build on the bones of barbaric enemies.

Should Europe celebrate the crusades? No, becaus we celebrate ourself. Not a necessary step.

Emotions really blind you awfully.. The Muslims broke the crusaders to peaces, spared , women, children and the elderly and sent them back home, that was the end of the crusades.. read about Salahuddin Al Ayoubi.. it might enlighten you..

The Greecs before the Romans mimicked the Egyptian civilization, So please be aware of the origins of your beauitiful art, culture and society..

 

[MarkusS]

Emotions really blind you awfully.. The Muslims broke the crusaders to peaces, spared , women, children and the elderly and sent them back home, that was the end of the crusades.. read about Salahuddin Al Ayoubi.. it might enlighten you..

The Greecs before the Romans mimicked the Egyptian civilization, So please be aware of the origins of your beauitiful art, culture and society..

Greeks laughed about egyptian civilisation. While greece focused on western values like freedom, democracy, art and philosophy, egypt was a theocracy ruled by despots.

And no, i dont read anything from arabs. Why should i? Im not interested in our enemies who did never anything positive.

At end of crusades arabs never again were seen at our coasts. Arabs were not capable to attack us.

 

[TMA]

Greeks laughed about egyptian civilisation. While greece focused on western values like freedom, democracy, art and philosophy, egypt was a theocracy ruled by despots.

And no, i dont read anything from arabs. Why should i? Im not interested in our enemies who did never anything positive.

At end of crusades arabs never again were seen at our coasts. Arabs were not capable to attack us.

But an Arab once ruled the Roman empire many centuries before.

 

[MarkusS]

But an Arab once ruled the Roman empire many centuries before.

he was seen as retarded and decadent and assasinated within a short period of time. Elagbal even got banned after death so he got erased

 

[TMA]

he was seen as retarded and decadent and assasinated within a short period of time. Elagbal even got banned after death so he got erased

Pretty typical for an Emperor of Rome.

 

[Aramagedon]

Don't tell me you are one of those Aryan race Iranians.


These Hazara Mongols are closer to the Turks than the Chinese. If you compare Nomadic Turks with Mongols, they are basically cousins.

Yes we are Aryans thank God.

We ruled entire world for centuries since 2800 years ago. We are the best of humans and master race. No nation on earth is comparable with us.


J2 Dna map:

Persian Empire, 700 BC:

400 AD:

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

The so-called Christians of Sham during the 6th and 7th century were fellow Arabs (Ghassanids) mostly.

In fact the Ghassanid Kingdom (220-638) was one of the earliest Christian states if not the earliest. The neighboring Arab Lakhmids had adopted Christianity as well. Let alone Nabatea and Tadmor.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghassanids





You cannot claim ownership of a region that you have nothing to do with other than a very short time period in the recorded history of the region (overall), ruled by proxy (through locals) let alone use Christianity (itself a Semitic religion native to Sham - not Europe) as an excuse.

Arab Muslim conquests of Southern Europe were in fact pay-back for that prior occupation. Natives of the Arab world never had to conquer Europe during that era or previous eras as it was much less developed and everything that was needed was already present indigenously.

And no, history does not magically change/disappear just because people happen to change religious beliefs.

For instance recently a comprehensive DNA study of the earliest Neolithic cultures and civilizations on the planet located in Southern Levant, showed that modern-day Saudi Arabians, have the closest genetic affinity to those 10.000 + years old skeletons. The first farmers on the planet.

Let me quote an old post of mine:

"Speaking about Neolithic peoples, Saudi Arabians show the greatest genetic affinity to Neolithic mummies.

Recently a DNA study proved that modern-day Saudi Arabians, Palestinians, Jordanians and Egyptians have the largest ancestral claim on the Neolithic civilizations that first appeared in Southern Levant.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natufian_culture

A culture that existed from 12.5000 BC to 9.500 BC whose people are known to have built the first Neolithic settlements on the planet as well as made the first attempts at agriculture, organized included. It was also arguably the first sedentary culture of this size in the world as well.

Here are the DNA results from this year (2016)

https://plot.ly/~PortalAntropologiczny9cfa/1.embed?share_key=za9Lb3y1UX6nJRG9v4EXOL

Here is the entire report:

http://biorxiv.org/content/biorxiv/early/2016/06/16/059311.full.pdf

It's quite cool that Saudi Arabians (in particular as they scored the highest percentage, one sample 60.38%!), Palestinians, Jordanians, "Israeli" Bedouins and Egyptians (afterwards other Arabs in the Near East and other MENA people) show the strongest genetic affinity to the ancient Natufian culture (12.500 BC - 9.500 BC) that was not only the first settled Neolithic civilization/community in the world but the first culture and people who introduced farming and built the first known settlements! More so knowing that the Natufians did not hail from the outside whether nearby Europe or Africa! They were indigenous."

Can you tell me what relationship Swedes and other Europeans have with those native peoples of our region in comparison for you to dare to talk about what is yours? Or maybe it is the parallel universe that you are located in that states the opposite. In fact Vikings were Arabs and native peoples of today's Arab world were Europeans, in particular Swedes and Italians. That must be the conclusion!

If that is how your logic works, I want ownership of most of Southern Europe. It is Arab land under occupation! I can do with Iberia which is arguably the most beautiful part of Europe.

BTW, I cannot see what that fake "Italian" is writing as he is on my ignore list. In any case the region discussed has nothing to do with him regardless of what he claims to be.

Let me clarify:
At the time of the Crusade, if someone had treasure that was wanted by another party,
then war was an option.
Nowadays, it is not like that, but You cannot apply todays rules for things happening 1000 years ago.
You can only apply the rules of that time.

So the fact that Muslims were attacking the Byzantine Empire, and repression of pilgrims,
was certainly enough reasons for the Pope to call for the Crusades.

The earliest Christian state was the Roman Empire.

 

[The SC]

Greeks laughed about egyptian civilisation. While greece focused on western values like freedom, democracy, art and philosophy, egypt was a theocracy ruled by despots.

And no, i dont read anything from arabs. Why should i? Im not interested in our enemies who did never anything positive.

At end of crusades arabs never again were seen at our coasts. Arabs were not capable to attack us.

Are you trying to be ignorant on purpose?
1) You can read it written by Christians, no one asked you to read it from Arabs..
2) The Arabs conquered Europe after the crusades.. they got Europe out of the dark ages..

 

[Talwar e Pakistan]

I think most here ignore that the crusades were an asnwer to constant muslim agression against europe and mostly italy. The crusades ended this agression permamnent and brought safety to Italy and southern europe.

That is very funny.

Italy (if you mean Venice, the Papal States and ect...) had little to no interaction with the Muslim Empire. It was the Byzantines who were primarily at war and it was them who caused the war. Muslims hardly ever ventured into Europe except in Spain before the crusades.

The Crusades brought no such 'safety' to Italy or Southern Europe. The Crusades unified the Muslims and solidified 'Christian Europe' as the enemy of Islam. The Caucasus, Balkans, Crimea, Cyprus, Crete and countless other territories all fell to the Muslim counter-invasion. Italy was also ravaged by constants North African raiders and incursions. The Crusades in a sense was a complete and total military disaster.

Let me clarify:
At the time of the Crusade, if someone had treasure that was wanted by another party,
then war was an option.
Nowadays, it is not like that, but You cannot apply todays rules for things happening 1000 years ago.
You can only apply the rules of that time.

So the fact that Muslims were attacking the Byzantine Empire, and repression of pilgrims,
was certainly enough reasons for the Pope to call for the Crusades.

The earliest Christian state was the Roman Empire.

It was the Byzantines that started the war and the so called 'oppression' of pilgrims was a myth invented to further justify the Crusades. The Crusaders ended up backstabbing the Byzantines, they also massacred the same pilgrims they were sent to 'protect' - countless Christians were killed by the Crusaders during the sack of Jerusalem.

And no, i dont read anything from arabs. Why should i? Im not interested in our enemies who did never anything positive.

No wonder you are so ignorant.

At end of crusades arabs never again were seen at our coasts. Arabs were not capable to attack us.

Are you dumb or something?

Organized raids primarily began after the Crusades as retaliation. Muslim raiders especially Barbarys ravaged the European coast and were feared throughout Europe and didn't end till 1864.

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

That is very funny.

Italy (if you mean Venice, the Papal States and ect...) had little to no interaction with the Muslim Empire. It was the Byzantines who were primarily at war and it was them who caused the war. Muslims hardly ever ventured into Europe except in Spain before the crusades.

The Crusades brought no such 'safety' to Italy or Southern Europe. The Crusades unified the Muslims and solidified 'Christian Europe' as the enemy of Islam. The Caucasus, Balkans, Crimea, Cyprus, Crete and countless other territories all fell to the Muslim counter-invasion. Italy was also ravaged by constants North African raiders and incursions. The Crusades in a sense was a complete and total military disaster.


It was the Byzantines that started the war and the so called 'oppression' of pilgrims was a myth invented to further justify the Crusades. The Crusaders ended up backstabbing the Byzantines, they also massacred the same pilgrims they were sent to 'protect' - countless Christians were killed by the Crusaders during the sack of Jerusalem.


No wonder you are so ignorant.


Are you dumb or something?

Organized raids primarily began after the Crusades as retaliation. Muslim raiders especially Barbarys ravaged the European coast and were feared throughout Europe and didn't end till 1864.

http://www.answering-islam.org/Authors/Arlandson/crusades_timeline.htm

634-644 The Caliphate of Umar ibn al-Khattab, who is regarded as particularly brutal.

635 Muslim Crusaders besiege and conquer of Damascus.

636 Muslim Crusaders defeat Byzantines decisively at Battle of Yarmuk.

637 Muslim Crusaders conquer Iraq at the Battle of al-Qadisiyyah (some date it in 635 or 636).

638 Muslim Crusaders conquer and annex Jerusalem, taking it from the Byzantines.

638-650 Muslim Crusaders conquer Iran, except along Caspian Sea.

639-642 Muslim Crusaders conquer Egypt.

641 Muslim Crusaders control Syria and Palestine.

643-707 Muslim Crusaders conquer North Africa.

644 Caliph Umar is assassinated by a Persian prisoner of war; Uthman ibn Affan is elected third Caliph, who is regarded by many Muslims as gentler than Umar.

644-650 Muslim Crusaders conquer Cyprus, Tripoli in North Africa, and establish Islamic rule in Iran, Afghanistan, and Sind.

656 Caliph Uthman is assassinated by disgruntled Muslim soldiers; Ali ibn Abi Talib, son-in-law and cousin to Muhammad, who married the prophet’s daughter Fatima through his first wife Khadija, is set up as Caliph.

656 Battle of the Camel, in which Aisha, Muhammad’s wife, leads a rebellion against Ali for not avenging Uthman’s assassination. Ali’s partisans win.

657 Battle of Siffin between Ali and Muslim governor of Jerusalem, arbitration goes against Ali

661 Murder of Ali by an extremist; Ali’s supporters acclaim his son Hasan as next Caliph, but he comes to an agreement with Muawiyyah I and retires to Medina.

661-680 the Caliphate of Muawiyyah I. He founds Umayyid dynasty and moves capital from Medina to Damascus

673-678 Arabs besiege Constantinople, capital of Byzantine Empire

680 Massacre of Hussein (Muhammad’s grandson), his family, and his supporters in Karbala, Iraq.

691 Dome of the Rock is completed in Jerusalem, only six decades after Muhammad’s death.

705 Abd al-Malik restores Umayyad rule.

710-713 Muslim Crusaders conquer the lower Indus Valley.

711-713 Muslim Crusaders conquer Spain and impose the kingdom of Andalus. This article recounts how Muslims today still grieve over their expulsion 700 years later. They seem to believe that the land belonged to them in the first place.

719 Cordova, Spain, becomes seat of Arab governorship.

732 The Muslim Crusaders are stopped at the Battle of Poitiers (Tours) ; that is, Franks (France) halt Arab advance.

749 The Abbasids conquer Kufah and overthrow Umayyids.

756 Foundation of Umayyid emirate in Cordova, Spain, setting up an independent kingdom from Abbasids.

762 Foundation of Baghdad

785 Foundation of the Great Mosque of Cordova

789 Rise of Idrisid emirs (Muslim Crusaders) in Morocco; foundation of Fez; Christoforos, a Muslim who converted to Christianity, is executed.

800 Autonomous Aghlabid dynasty (Muslim Crusaders) in Tunisia.

807 Caliph Harun al-Rashid orders the destruction of non-Muslim prayer houses and of the Church of Mary Magdalene in Jerusalem.

809 Aghlabids (Muslim Crusaders) conquer Sardinia, Italy.

813 Christians in Palestine are attacked; many flee the country.

831 Muslim Crusaders capture of Palermo, Italy; raids in Southern Italy.

850 Caliph al-Matawakkil orders the destruction of non-Muslim houses of prayer.

855 Revolt of the Christians of Hims (Syria)

837-901 Aghlabids (Muslim Crusaders) conquer Sicily, raid Corsica, Italy, France.

869-883 Revolt of black slaves in Iraq

909 Rise of the Fatimid Caliphate in Tunisia; these Muslim Crusaders occupy Sicily, Sardinia.

928-969 Byzantine military revival, they retake old territories, such as Cyprus (964) and Tarsus (969).

937 The Ikhshid, a particularly harsh Muslim ruler, writes to Emperor Romanus, boasting of his control over the holy places.

937 The Church of the Resurrection (known as Church of Holy Sepulcher in Latin West) is burned down by Muslims; more churches in Jerusalem are attacked .

960 Conversion of Qarakhanid Turks to Islam

966 Anti-Christian riots in Jerusalem

969 Fatimids (Muslim Crusaders) conquer Egypt and found Cairo.

c. 970 Seljuks enter conquered Islamic territories from the East.

973 Israel and southern Syria are again conquered by the Fatimids.

1003 First persecutions by al-Hakim; the Church of St. Mark in Fustat, Egypt, is destroyed.

1009 Destruction of the Church of the Resurrection by al-Hakim (see 937)

1012 Beginning of al-Hakim’s oppressive decrees against Jews and Christians

1015 Earthquake in Palestine; the dome of the Dome of the Rock collapses.

1031 Collapse of Umayyid Caliphate and establishment of 15 minor independent dynasties throughout Muslim Andalus

1048 Reconstruction of the Church of the Resurrection completed

1050 Creation of Almoravid (Muslim Crusaders) movement in Mauretania; Almoravids (also known as Murabitun) are coalition of western Saharan Berbers; followers of Islam, focusing on the Quran, the hadith, and Maliki law.

1055 Seljuk Prince Tughrul enters Baghdad, consolidation of the Seljuk Sultanate.

1055 Confiscation of property of Church of the Resurrection

1071 Battle of Manzikert, Seljuk Turks (Muslim Crusaders) defeat Byzantines and occupy much of Anatolia.

1071 Turks (Muslim Crusaders) invade Palestine.

1073 Conquest of Jerusalem by Turks (Muslim Crusaders)

1075 Seljuks (Muslim Crusaders) capture Nicea (Iznik) and make it their capital in Anatolia.

1076 Almoravids (Muslim Crusaders) (see 1050) conquer western Ghana.

1085 Toledo is taken back by Christian armies.

1086 Almoravids (Muslim Crusaders) (see 1050) send help to Andalus, Battle of Zallaca.

1090-1091 Almoravids (Muslim Crusaders) occupy all of Andalus except Saragossa and Balearic Islands.

1094 Byzantine Emperor Alexius Comnenus I asks western Christendom for help against Seljuk invasions of his territory; Seljuks are Muslim Turkish family of eastern origins; see 970.

1095 Pope Urban II preaches first Crusade; they capture Jerusalem in 1099

So it is only after all of the Islamic aggressive invasions that western Christendom launches its first Crusades.