Revival: The Muslim Response to the Crusades

[Hamza913]

If country X maintains a precense in country Y by keeping an Army, and assumes governmental control,
yes it is occupation.
If the local population of Y converts to Islam, because the option not to convert is unattractive,
higher taxes, beheading, no risk of beeing caiptured by Muslim slave traders, etc. then it is still occupation.
If government is handed over to local Quislings, then it is still occupation.

If country Y assumes governmental control, and freely chooses to ally it with country X,
then it is no longer occupying X.
The US initially occupied Iraq, at some point the occupation ended.
Proof of that is that US forces left when there was a disagreement on immunity for US troops.

There wasn't a risk of beheading under most circumstances, same goes for slavery. Even when slavery did occur, they were typically treated much better than you think. In the Islamic world, slaves aren't at the bottom of the social hierarchy like in other societies.

As I have said before, most of them converted because they wanted to. Very few did it out of necessity

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

There wasn't a risk of beheading under most circumstances, same goes for slavery. Even when slavery did occur, they were typically treated much better than you think. In the Islamic world, slaves aren't at the bottom of the social hierarchy like in other societies.

As I have said before, most of them converted because they wanted to. Very few did it out of necessity

A lot of the Africans slaves going to the US were captured by Arabs.
Becoming a Muslim protected You from the slave traders.
Millions of European Christians were enslaved, and slavery only ended late 20th century.
Slaves converting to Islam got a much better treatment, which motivates people to switch.
Non-muslims had to pay more tax.
Non Muslims had their sons kidnapped to become Janitschars, up to a Million according tom
Plenty of reasons to convert.

 

[Hamza913]

A lot of the Africans slaves going to the US were captured by Arabs.
Becoming a Muslim protected You from the slave traders.
Millions of European Christians were enslaved, and slavery only ended late 20th century.
Slaves converting to Islam got a much better treatment, which motivates people to switch.
Non-muslims had to pay more tax.
Non Muslims had their sons kidnapped to become Janitschars, up to a Million according tom
Plenty of reasons to convert.

Like I said, in some instances but not most.

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

Like I said, in some instances but not most.

You do not need to behead many before the rest get the picture.

"Muslims" are walking the streets today, making unveiled threats vs others that are
either non-Muslims or not the "right" kind of Muslim.
You think it would be differently after Muslims occupied countries in the infancy of Islam?

 

[Attila the Hun]

That s Byzantine art,not
Islamic,sry

How is Beylerbeyi Palace Byzantine? LOLOLOL

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

How is Beylerbeyi Palace Byzantine? LOLOLOL

No, not Byzantine, the style is apparently French.

 

[Mamluk]

A lot of the Africans slaves going to the US were captured by Arabs.

Lol you know nothing!

Almost all the African slaves in US were from West Africa and some from Central Africa, regions that Arabs never had any control of!

Read the history on Atlantic slave trade, Islamophobic retard.

 

[EgyptianAmerican]

A lot of the Africans slaves going to the US were captured by Arabs.
Becoming a Muslim protected You from the slave traders.
Millions of European Christians were enslaved, and slavery only ended late 20th century.
Slaves converting to Islam got a much better treatment, which motivates people to switch.
Non-muslims had to pay more tax.
Non Muslims had their sons kidnapped to become Janitschars, up to a Million according tom
Plenty of reasons to convert.

Non-Muslim/Dhimmi living -- Ottoman laws,provided a number of legal protections for "People of the Book" or "dhimmis". While for most of Ottoman rule non-Muslims were decided second-class citizens, they were afforded the right to practice their own personal status laws (marriage, divorce, inheritance, etc.) according to their own religious persuasion. Now of course for Christian communities of the Balkans, the situation could have been better from a legal standpoint had the land been ruled by one of the contemporary Christian powers, but it certainly could have been worse. Additionally, for Jewish denizens of the Balkans, this was a clearly preferable situation to contemporary Christian rule, as many Jews fled Western Europe for the Ottoman provinces in the Balkans following the Spanish Inquisition in the 1490s.

Jizya or jizyah (Arabic: جزية‎‎ ǧizyah IPA: [dʒizja]; Ottoman Turkish: جزيه/cizye) is a per capita yearly tax historically levied by Islamic states on certain non-Muslim subjects—dhimmis—permanently residing in Muslim lands under Islamic law.[1][2][3] Muslim jurists required adult, free, sane males among the dhimma community to pay the jizya,[4] while exempting women, children, elders, handicapped, the ill, the insane, monks, hermits, slaves,[5][6][7][8][9]and musta'mins—non-Muslim foreigners who only temporarily reside in Muslim lands.[5][10] Dhimmis who chose to join military service were exempted from payment,[1][6][11][12][13] as were those who could not afford to pay.[6][14][15]

So that is not an excuse.

Also None of the African slaves going to the U.S were captured by Arabs.

Triangular trade
Main article: Triangular trade
The first side of the triangle was the export of goods from Europe to Africa. A number of African kings and merchants took part in the trading of enslaved people from 1440 to about 1833. For each captive, the African rulers would receive a variety of goods from Europe. These included guns, ammunition and other factory-made goods. The second leg of the triangle exported enslaved Africans across the Atlantic Ocean to the Americas and the Caribbean Islands. The third and final part of the triangle was the return of goods to Europe from the Americas. The goods were the products of slave-labour plantations and included cotton, sugar, tobacco, molasses and rum.[46] Sir John Hawkins, considered the pioneer of the British slave trade, was the first to run the Triangular trade, making a profit at every stop.

Africans played a direct role in the slave trade, selling their captives or prisoners of war to European buyers.[20] The prisoners and captives who were sold were usually from neighbouring or enemy ethnic groups.[citation needed] These captive slaves were considered "other", not part of the people of the ethnic group or "tribe" ; African kings held no particular loyalty to them. Sometimes criminals would be sold so that they could no longer commit crimes in that area. Most other slaves were obtained from kidnappings, or through raids that occurred at gunpoint through joint ventures with the Europeans.[20] But some African kings refused to sell any of their captives or criminals. King Jaja of Opobo, a former slave, refused to do business with the slavers completely.[citation needed]

Africans also participated in the slave trade through intermarriage, or cassare, meaning "to set up house." It is derived from the Portuguese word "casar," meaning "to marry." Cassare created political and economic bonds between European and African slave traders. Cassare was a pre-European practice used to integrate the "other" from a differing African tribe. Powerful West African groups used these marriages as an alliance used to strengthen their trade networks with European men by marrying off African women from families with ties to the slave trade. Early on in the Atlantic Slave trade, these marriages were common. The marriages were even performed using African customs, which Europeans did not object to, seeing how important the connections were.[50]

 

[Hamza913]

You do not need to behead many before the rest get the picture.

"Muslims" are walking the streets today, making unveiled threats vs others that are
either non-Muslims or not the "right" kind of Muslim.
You think it would be differently after Muslims occupied countries in the infancy of Islam?

Not all empires would have done that.

Most of us are not, it's ironic how people always paint us as viscous hateful creatures without considering what their countries have done to us.

Yes it would have been different, because in its infancy there were many great men such as our beloved prophet to lead the way.

 

[EgyptianAmerican]

While the Arabs did not have control over West Africa, still there were a lot of merchants, doing business with slaves.

http://atlantablackstar.com/2014/06...ment-of-black-people-not-taught-in-schools/5/

Your link gives no mention of Arab involvement of the Trans-Atlantic slave trade.

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

Lol you know nothing!

Almost all the African slaves in US were from West Africa and some from Central Africa, regions that Arabs never had any control of!

Read the history on Atlantic slave trade, Islamophobic retard.

While the Arabs did not have control over West Africa, still there were a lot of merchants, doing business with slaves.

http://atlantablackstar.com/2014/06...ment-of-black-people-not-taught-in-schools/5/

Not all empires would have done that.

Most of us are not, it's ironic how people always paint us as viscous hateful creatures without considering what their countries have done to us.

Yes it would have been different, because in its infancy there were many great men such as our beloved prophet to lead the way.

You don't need to be many if the majority accepts the abuse of the few.

 

[Mamluk]

While the Arabs did not have control over West Africa, still there were a lot of merchants, doing business with slaves.

Let's be honest. I had a better impression of Swedish people until now. You are acting like an Indian $cum.

Either dishonesty or just plain low IQ.

Arabs has as much to do with Atlantic slave trade as Scandinavians!

We're not discussing slavery in ME/Europe during other periods. Every region have skeletons in their closet with regards to slavery!

But your assertion in post #182 that American Africans were sold by Arabs is totally pulled out of your Islamophobic ar$e!

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

Let's be honest. I had a better impression of Swedish people until now. You are acting like an Indian $cum.

Either dishonesty or just plain low IQ.

Arabs has as much to do with Atlantic slave trade as Scandinavians!

We're not discussing slavery in ME/Europe during other periods. Every region have skeletons in their closet with regards to slavery!

But your assertion in post #182 that American Africans were sold by Arabs is totally pulled out of your Islamophobic ar$e!

Looks like some Africans agree with me...

https://www.modernghana.com/news/249409/arabs-mortal-hatred-and-enslavement-of-the-black-race.html

"This trade in African slaves, begun by the Arabs, went on uninterrupted from the 6th century CE, to the 19th century CE, softening Africa militarily, culturally, economically, socially and politically, for the joint European and Arab onslaught on African people and economy, from the 15th century CE.

Arabs were the principal raiders and middle men for the Atlantic slave trade that decimated populations in West African. In the late 18th century CE, with most of the slave trade along the West African coast dominated by Christians, the bulk of the Arab slave trade shifted to Zanzibar, conquered then by Omani Arabs. Omani Sultan-Seyyid Said, an Arab, as the new ruler of Zanzibar, expanded the business in slavery and the trade in Ivory considerably in 1840, by re-opening and developing old established routes into the interior, to the Great Lakes and the Congo. While retaining some slaves to staff their expanding clove plantations in Zanzibar and neighbouring Pemba, they as usual, exported the great majority of their African slaves. Omani Arabs, as the Sultan’s invaders were known, raided villages, killing and maiming thousands of people in the interior of the African continent, to capture and sell some 20,000 of them yearly at their notorious Zanzibar slave market. From there, slaves were sold and cargoed all over the Mediterranean, Europe, the Persian Gulf, and Asia. Those destined for Sindh in Pakistan, for instance, first arrived in the Omani port of Muscat from where they were shipped to Karachi. Some reached Sindh through owner-to-owner transactions, originating from points along the Makran coast of the present day Pakistani and Irani Baloshistans.

The African slaves involved, were mainly Swahili from areas now known as Kenya and mainland Tanzania. The Muslim African captives faired no better than their West African kith and kin enslaved by the West in the ‘New World.’ Arabs did not only start and sell African slaves from the 6th to the 19th century in the Islamic world; they were the principal raiders, merchants and middle men for the Atlantic slave trade. In fact, even now, hundreds of years later, millions of African settler slaves are still being discriminated against and treated as the scum of the earth (untouchables) in Pakistan, India, Iran, Iraq, and all the Muslim states of Asia, the Persian Gulf, and Northern Africa."


I did not say that all African slaves shipped to America were captured by Arabs...

 

[Mamluk]

Looks like some Africans agree with me...

https://www.modernghana.com/news/249409/arabs-mortal-hatred-and-enslavement-of-the-black-race.html

"This trade in African slaves, begun by the Arabs, went on uninterrupted from the 6th century CE, to the 19th century CE, softening Africa militarily, culturally, economically, socially and politically, for the joint European and Arab onslaught on African people and economy, from the 15th century CE.

Arabs were the principal raiders and middle men for the Atlantic slave trade that decimated populations in West African. In the late 18th century CE, with most of the slave trade along the West African coast dominated by Christians, the bulk of the Arab slave trade shifted to Zanzibar, conquered then by Omani Arabs. Omani Sultan-Seyyid Said, an Arab, as the new ruler of Zanzibar, expanded the business in slavery and the trade in Ivory considerably in 1840, by re-opening and developing old established routes into the interior, to the Great Lakes and the Congo. While retaining some slaves to staff their expanding clove plantations in Zanzibar and neighbouring Pemba, they as usual, exported the great majority of their African slaves. Omani Arabs, as the Sultan’s invaders were known, raided villages, killing and maiming thousands of people in the interior of the African continent, to capture and sell some 20,000 of them yearly at their notorious Zanzibar slave market. From there, slaves were sold and cargoed all over the Mediterranean, Europe, the Persian Gulf, and Asia. Those destined for Sindh in Pakistan, for instance, first arrived in the Omani port of Muscat from where they were shipped to Karachi. Some reached Sindh through owner-to-owner transactions, originating from points along the Makran coast of the present day Pakistani and Irani Baloshistans.

The African slaves involved, were mainly Swahili from areas now known as Kenya and mainland Tanzania. The Muslim African captives faired no better than their West African kith and kin enslaved by the West in the ‘New World.’ Arabs did not only start and sell African slaves from the 6th to the 19th century in the Islamic world; they were the principal raiders, merchants and middle men for the Atlantic slave trade. In fact, even now, hundreds of years later, millions of African settler slaves are still being discriminated against and treated as the scum of the earth (untouchables) in Pakistan, India, Iran, Iraq, and all the Muslim states of Asia, the Persian Gulf, and Northern Africa."


I did not say that all African slaves shipped to America were captured by Arabs...

Any racist and Arab hater + Islamophobe like you can register a site and make any number of claims.

Atlantic slave trade was purely an European enterprise.

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The transatlantic slave trade was responsible for the forced migration of between 12 - 15 million people from Africa to the Western Hemisphere from the middle of the 15th century to the end of the 19th century. The trafficking of Africans by the major European countries during this period is sometimes referred to by African scholars as the Maafa ('great disaster' in Swahili). It's now considered a crime against humanity.


The slave trade not only led to the violent transportation overseas of millions of Africans but also to the deaths of many millions more. Nobody knows the total number of people who died during slave raiding and wars in Africa, during transportation and imprisonment, or in horrendous conditions during the so-called Middle Passage, the voyage from Africa to the Americas.


The kidnapping of Africans occurred mainly in the region that now stretches from Senegal to Angola. However, in the 19th century some enslaved Africans were also transported across the Atlantic from parts of eastern and south-eastern Africa.


The trade

All the major European powers were involved in this enterprise, but by the early 18th century, Britain became the world's leading slave trading power. It's estimated that British ships were responsible for the forced transportation of at least 2-3 million Africans in that century.


So dominant were British ships and merchants that they carried away African captives not only to British colonies in North America and the Caribbean but even to the colonies of their main economic rivals, the French and Spanish, as well as to others'.


Geographical spread

The majority of kidnapped Africans weren't already slaves in Africa. They were free people who were kidnapped to provide the labour that the European powers required to build their colonies in the Americas. The largest numbers of Africans – almost 5 million – were imported into Brazil, but enslaved Africans were sent to most of the colonies of South and Central America and the Caribbean, as well as to what became the United States.


Some Africans were transported to Europe and lived in such countries as Portugal and France as well as in England.

The Triangular Trade

The transatlantic slave trade is sometimes known as the 'Triangular Trade', since it was three-sided, involving voyages:

• from Europe to Africa
• from Africa to the Americas
• from the Americas back to Europe. (what about Arab lands? )

The African labour purchased with manufactured goods was then used in the Americas to produce luxury items and other things that were valuable and in great demand in Europe, such as sugar, tobacco and cotton. In addition, the slave trade contributed to the growth of banking and insurance in Europe and provided the finance to develop European capitalist economies further.


Africa may have supplied the human labour that was central to these developments in Europe, but it didn't benefit from them itself. Instead, it lost millions of people, many of its societies were ravaged and it placed itself in an enduring unequal relationship with Europe that created the conditions for colonial conquest and its legacy.

Racism

Another legacy of the slave trade is the continued existence of a body of ideas initially formulated to justify it and which now underpins modern anti-African racism in all its forms. These harmful ideas have no basis in fact but were and are designed to suggest that Africa and Africans are inferior to Europe and Europeans in a variety of ways.

These views permeated the centuries of the slave trade and the enslavement of Africans and continued to be expressed during the post-slavery colonial era. They still exist today in the form of racial stereotypes and prejudices and racist violence, as well as Eurocentric views about Africa, its peoples and their cultures.


Source

 

[EgyptianAmerican]

Looks like some Africans agree with me...

https://www.modernghana.com/news/249409/arabs-mortal-hatred-and-enslavement-of-the-black-race.html

"This trade in African slaves, begun by the Arabs, went on uninterrupted from the 6th century CE, to the 19th century CE, softening Africa militarily, culturally, economically, socially and politically, for the joint European and Arab onslaught on African people and economy, from the 15th century CE.

Arabs were the principal raiders and middle men for the Atlantic slave trade that decimated populations in West African. In the late 18th century CE, with most of the slave trade along the West African coast dominated by Christians, the bulk of the Arab slave trade shifted to Zanzibar, conquered then by Omani Arabs. Omani Sultan-Seyyid Said, an Arab, as the new ruler of Zanzibar, expanded the business in slavery and the trade in Ivory considerably in 1840, by re-opening and developing old established routes into the interior, to the Great Lakes and the Congo. While retaining some slaves to staff their expanding clove plantations in Zanzibar and neighbouring Pemba, they as usual, exported the great majority of their African slaves. Omani Arabs, as the Sultan’s invaders were known, raided villages, killing and maiming thousands of people in the interior of the African continent, to capture and sell some 20,000 of them yearly at their notorious Zanzibar slave market. From there, slaves were sold and cargoed all over the Mediterranean, Europe, the Persian Gulf, and Asia. Those destined for Sindh in Pakistan, for instance, first arrived in the Omani port of Muscat from where they were shipped to Karachi. Some reached Sindh through owner-to-owner transactions, originating from points along the Makran coast of the present day Pakistani and Irani Baloshistans.

The African slaves involved, were mainly Swahili from areas now known as Kenya and mainland Tanzania. The Muslim African captives faired no better than their West African kith and kin enslaved by the West in the ‘New World.’ Arabs did not only start and sell African slaves from the 6th to the 19th century in the Islamic world; they were the principal raiders, merchants and middle men for the Atlantic slave trade. In fact, even now, hundreds of years later, millions of African settler slaves are still being discriminated against and treated as the scum of the earth (untouchables) in Pakistan, India, Iran, Iraq, and all the Muslim states of Asia, the Persian Gulf, and Northern Africa."


I did not say that all African slaves shipped to America were captured by Arabs...

More propaganda and made up bullshit fed to Islamaphobes like you.


Enjoy the made up propaganda.