Revisiting Osama bin Ladin's fake raid

[Muji.Iqbal]

No photographs of Osama Bin Laden. No proof. Thus another conspiracy. I never trust Americans. They have betrayed Pakistan many times.

And even if the Americans killed Osama Bin Laden, no one really gave a damn for that idiot.

Good riddance.

Either you are dead or alive. There is no middle.

We claimed ObL is dead because we killed him. If you, and I say 'you' generically, question the details of HOW we killed ObL, that means you doubt our claim. In this case, doubt = alive. There is no middle. You do not debate unless you have doubts, correct?

No photographs of OBL being killed. There is no evidence, how can we believe? Maybe OBL died many years ago.

 

[VCheng]

Either you are dead or alive. There is no middle.

Duh! Zombies. Maybe OBL is one out there somewhere rallying up his new army.

 

[gambit]

Duh! Zombies. Maybe OBL is one out there somewhere rallying up his new army.

Here is what our man said: In fact, most people assumed him to be dead years before you guys killed him.

So the distinction is not that we doubt ObL is dead, but that we doubt US claim of being there to kill him.

It is a pointless distinction. ObL dead for yrs BEFORE May 2011. Then the Americans said they killed ObL on May 2011. In either case, ObL remains dead. Or supposedly 'dead'.

The US risked diplomatic damages with Pakistan just to have the dubious 'glory' of killing ObL even though he is supposedly 'dead' already. We had a standoff with armed Pakistanis in the streets. We lost an experimental aircraft in the event. It would have been cheaper to concoct a story of how we killed him in Afghanistan via drone.

 

[VCheng]

Here is what our man said: In fact, most people assumed him to be dead years before you guys killed him.

So the distinction is not that we doubt ObL is dead, but that we doubt US claim of being there to kill him.

It is a pointless distinction. ObL dead for yrs BEFORE May 2011. Then the Americans said they killed ObL on May 2011. In either case, ObL remains dead. Or supposedly 'dead'.

The US risked diplomatic damages with Pakistan just to have the dubious 'glory' of killing ObL even though he is supposedly 'dead' already. We had a standoff with armed Pakistanis in the streets. We lost an experimental aircraft in the event. It would have been cheaper to concoct a story of how we killed him in Afghanistan via drone.

Let us not forget that perhaps USA staged the 9/11 attacks too, before claiming to kill OBL that night. And the moon landings were faked, don'tcha know.

 

[Tamerlane]

Either you are dead or alive. There is no middle.

We claimed ObL is dead because we killed him. If you, and I say 'you' generically, question the details of HOW we killed ObL, that means you doubt our claim. In this case, doubt = alive. There is no middle. You do not debate unless you have doubts, correct?

You and I don’t dispute that OBL is fully dead, not to rise till the day of resurrection. The only question is how he died.

If he died in the mountains in 2002, or whenever, you can still claim to have killed him. If he wasn’t being hunted down he would have gotten medical treatment.

The Abbottabad raid ensured that he remains dead, and his demise is announced to the world to ensure a satisfactory closure of the OBL saga.

 

[PradoTLC]

That is how ObL viewed himself. That he STILL has followers means that messages are still valid to this day, according to them. So it is neither mine nor your assumption that ObL is a Muslim messiah or prophet. It is theirs.

so what?

there are 1.6+ billion muslim around.. just bcos he self proclaims a messiah or what ever doesn't make him so.

But we got DNA.

yes.....

reminds me of a story... a nasty butt ugly guy lets call him Mr India ..

He bragged to us he had sex with a pretty girl .. lets call her miss Sweden.

we didn't believe him as he had a history of telling lies

so he produced to us a used condom with semen in it...

Then we said

 

[PradoTLC]

So look at it this way...We want ObL dead. Muslims (most) want ObL alive.

yes ..you wanted him dead .. we know, we would if we didn’t the want the world to know the ugly details

We wanted him alive and put on trial and if guilty hanged. We also wanted to see what dealing he had with US gov.

but then again you never had really any evidence against him did you?.. a fact that one of your negotiators with the Taliban said on record. Mullah Omar asked them point blank that question, and if that evidence was enough to convict him in a American court.

I mean Muslims in general, are looking for proof of either claim, whose is more critical?

we want proof?.. sure

given USA's dubious record of making shameless false claims. It seems like a perfectly legitimate request.

but reasonably inferential.

nope.. not even by a mile,.

Not necessarily currency but for mutual benefits.

so honey bunny?

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

GHQ/ISI were hand in glove with CIA/Pentagon, was a done deal.
GHQ/ISI must have got big amount of dollars, the color of money, the smell of new notes is so enticing.

Win win for all, after all the failures in Afghanistan and US people ridiculing govt. and state orgs. for this.

Nothing brings the kinds of it more than the Afgan stuffs. The US institutes are so stringent they have not a penny to share with the "house niggers" from their own pockets. For a reason, officially, half a billion$ is traded at the Pak-Afgan border daily under a win-win arrangement.....

 

[PradoTLC]

Let us not forget that perhaps USA staged the 9/11 attacks too, before claiming to kill OBL that night. And the moon landings were faked, don'tcha know.

9-11 was staged by the americans?

rubbish the Americans NEVER conduct false flag operations or make wars on lies...

such sinking their own warships and blaming it on the Spanish... and then over taking Cuba, etc

such as Gulf of Tonkin incident

or the countless attacks on red indians... leading to further land grab

wars against Mexico

war against Iraq

a very long list indeed


just look how many bases US had before and after 9-11

study their history and observe their pattern ...

 

[gambit]

You and I don’t dispute that OBL is fully dead, not to rise till the day of resurrection. The only question is how he died.

If he died in the mountains in 2002, or whenever, you can still claim to have killed him. If he wasn’t being hunted down he would have gotten medical treatment.

The Abbottabad raid ensured that he remains dead, and his demise is announced to the world to ensure a satisfactory closure of the OBL saga.

Why would we risk diplomatic damages with Pakistan with the Abbottabad raid? Minus the 'stealth' helos, everything we did in Abbottabad, we could replicate in Afghanistan in a backwater village in a remote part of the country. We can say an incendiary device burned most of the body, no different than that 'fake' video from Abbottabad. That ObL remains silent for a decade is 'proof' that we did 'killed' him in Afghanistan.

 

[Tamerlane]

Why would we risk diplomatic damages with Pakistan with the Abbottabad raid? Minus the 'stealth' helos, everything we did in Abbottabad, we could replicate in Afghanistan in a backwater village in a remote part of the country. We can say an incendiary device burned most of the body, no different than that 'fake' video from Abbottabad. That ObL remains silent for a decade is 'proof' that we did 'killed' him in Afghanistan.

I don’t know the reasoning behind it, but it was the US that kept releasing very fake-looking videos of Bin. Search Google. While most Muslims assumed him to be dead the US govt. and media seemed to be interested in keeping him alive. Once they decided to wind things down he was killed in a crowd pleasing manner. Killing him in the mountains would have been a damp squid.

OBL was silent before the raid and he’s been silent after the raids, apart from fake-looking videos and pictures.

There’s no risk in worrying about diplomatic relations with Pakistan. The army chief runs everything and he was fully on board.

Here’s an example of a fake photo used in the media. Notice the difference in the nose.

 

[PradoTLC]

I don’t know the reasoning behind it, but it was the US that kept releasing very fake-looking videos of Bin. Search Google. While most Muslims assumed him to be dead the US govt. and media seemed to be interested in keeping him alive. Once they decided to wind things down he was killed in a crowd pleasing manner. Killing him in the mountains would have been a damp squid.

OBL was silent before the raid and he’s been silent after the raids, apart from fake-looking videos and pictures.

There’s no risk in worrying about diplomatic relations with Pakistan. The army chief runs everything and he was fully on board.

Here’s an example of a fake photo used in the media. Notice the difference in the nose.

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And yet they can’t supply us with a simple photo…

 

[gambit]

There’s no risk in worrying about diplomatic relations with Pakistan. The army chief runs everything and he was fully on board.

Got it. So ObL is still alive somewhere. It is just odd that he has remained silent for the past decade.

 

[gambit]

And yet they can’t supply us with a simple photo…

We 'provided' Pakistan with the carcass of an experimental helo to 'prove' that the Abbottabad raid was real but YOU still do not believe US. We were actually in your country. What good would a simple photo do?

 

[villageidiot]

I thought you never talk, if not backed up by evidence.

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