Revise ‘no-first-use’ n-policy: Jaswant

[misterme2]

Raj I think India has conventional superiority in numbers but we need more tech which is coming along.....but we also need to stop living with this idea of conventional superiority. It doesn't hold any relevance in todays; atmosphere, armies today will do all they can to beat the game.....Take China for example and its usage of asymmetrical warfare to gain an advantage which it is exploiting to its advantage....Pakistan will follow the same path....and what is the best way to beat our Conventional advantage......well one of the top of my head is nukes....Saying that Pakistan wont react such a way is fooling ourselves because this a neighbor that has attacked has many times and though INDia has given it a good beating it continues to think it can and it will defeat us......That thinking is what led to Kargil ad only due to intense International pressure was Pakistan pushed to give up.....it could've escalated ad who know if there was a bigger game plan involving China....I don;t think India analyzed the hiccups and potential response of its neighbors thoroughly....hell look at 26/11 and you can our analysis is alway post-action and not very good. There are still many flaws which I believe is related to interference and negligence.

 

[Agnostic_Indian]

India should keep the current nuclear policy for now. It can always be changed if situation calls for it.
Right now is not the time.

i guess your meaning of demand of situation means geo political situation and you are not saying to change the policy in the middle of a war.

 

[sanibhagwan]

What, you think we're going to have a war with our biggest customer?

China and the USA have the world's biggest bilateral economic relationship. On the other hand, the economic relationship between China and India is small.

Chinese people don't want a repeat of the Chinese civil war, i.e. Chinese killing Chinese. So there isn't much to worry about over Taiwan, we can wait five hundred years for a peaceful resolution.

Nice to know your opinion.

But, CCP doesn't frame strategic policies consulting you. Does it?

And warships are not generally used for "economic relationship
"lol

 

[Abhishek_]

i guess your meaning of demand of situation means geo political situation and you are not saying to change the policy in the middle of a war.

i meant it can be changed if war looks emminent (and even in times of war) and we have no other option.
There is no reason to ruffle anyone's feathers right now, lets keep the eye on the ball (economy)

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Nice to know your opinion.

But, CCP doesn't frame strategic policies consulting you. Does it?

Obviously not, in the same way that the Indian government doesn't consult you regarding foreign policy.

Obviously, we are representing our own opinions.

In my opinion, having a war with our biggest customer, and the sole world superpower, is a very bad idea. And in my experience, Chinese people don't want to see any violent conflict over Taiwan, we would prefer a peaceful resolution like what happened with Hong Kong. Regardless of whether it takes one hundred years, or five hundred years.

The biggest flashpoint for war (in my opinion again) will come about after a repeat of the Mumbai attacks (hopefully this never happens) which could trigger another India-Pakistan war. Which could cause extreme instability in the Sino-Indian border.

 

[Whiplash]

Obviously not, in the same way that the Indian government doesn't consult you regarding foreign policy.

Obviously, we are representing our own opinions.

In my opinion, having a war with our biggest customer, and the sole world superpower, is a very bad idea.

You do realise the USA has a lot more to lose than you in a war?
Our countries, we may be developing.. But our economies are a lot more stable than theirs

 

[Agnostic_Indian]

i meant it can be changed if war looks emminent (and even in times of war) and we have no other option.
There is no reason to ruffle anyone's feathers right now, lets keep the eye on the ball (economy)

i do agree that it is mk to change if a war is going to start

but better change it now or before war, a change during a war will be embarrassing and our policys and words will not have any credibility from there onwards.

 

[sanibhagwan]

Obviously not, in the same way that the Indian government doesn't consult you regarding foreign policy.

Obviously, we are representing our own opinions.

In my opinion, having a war with our biggest customer, and the sole world superpower, is a very bad idea. And in my experience, Chinese people don't want to see any violent conflict over Taiwan, we would prefer a peaceful resolution like what happened with Hong Kong. Regardless of whether it takes one hundred years, or five hundred years.

The biggest flashpoint for war (in my opinion again) will come about after a repeat of the Mumbai attacks (hopefully this never happens) which could trigger another India-Pakistan war. Which could cause extreme instability in the Sino-Indian border.

Obviously not, in the same way that the Indian government doesn't consult you regarding foreign policy

You are wrong. We elect people who frame policies, like in all democracy. That obviously is not the case in China.

In my opinion, having a war with our biggest customer, and the sole world superpower, is a very bad idea

It sure is a bad idea. But, strong economic relationship doesn't deter the face-off chinese fighter planes had with American plane (Hainan Island incident).

 

[Abhishek_]

i do agree that it is mk to change if a war is going to start

but better change it now or before war, a change during a war will be embarrassing and our policys and words will not have any credibility from there onwards.

a change during war will in fact be easily justified. desperate times call for desperate measures.
it would be very hard for GOI to justify a sudden change in our nuke stance right now, it will also impact investor sentiment and it may cause western govts to stop being lenient to us. Wait till we become relatively independent (hopefully by the time we become the third largest economy)

 

[misterme2]

You are wrong. We elect people who frame policies, like in all democracy. That obviously is not the case in China.



At the same time, the folks we elect are not always competent.....in fact most are dumb or very corrupt.....Mayawati, Laloo, Koda....Instances like this and others leads me to believe communism is sometimes better when you have certain folks who meet certain standards or credentials like education , patriotism, etc running a country.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

You are wrong. We elect people who frame policies, like in all democracy. That obviously is not the case in China.

The Chinese government pays a lot of attention to Chinese public opinion. Perhaps more so than most, because they know the power of a people's revolution. In fact that is how they gained power in the first place in 1949, they did it via a people's revolution, so they know how powerful it can be.

However a government can never truly represent an individuals opinion, especially not in developing countries. The Indian government has stashed away $1.5 trillion in Swiss Banks, did this happen with the consent of the Indian people?

The chances of a Sino-American war are almost zero in today's climate. The chances of another India-Pakistan war though, in the event of another Mumbai attack, is definitely plausible, much more so. And in that situation, it could lead to a renewed Sino-Indian conflict.

 

[Wonderer]

Doesnt harm to do so atleas. Any ways this policy has no value on ground.

 

[sanibhagwan]

You are wrong. We elect people who frame policies, like in all democracy. That obviously is not the case in China.



At the same time, the folks we elect are not always competent.....in fact most are dumb or very corrupt.....Mayawati, Laloo, Koda....Instances like this and others leads me to believe communism is sometimes better when you have certain folks who meet certain standards or credentials like education , patriotism, etc running a country.

I agree, No denying the fact.

But, some members here were of the opinion that India is more of a threat to them than any other nation. And the reasons cited were economic relationship. I was replying to them.

communism is sometimes better when you have certain folks who meet certain standards or credentials like education , patriotism, etc running

True. Most indian members will agree with your POV. But, the bad news is communism has become inseparable with Dictatorship. Imagine Maoist ruling India. They themselves are blowing up school and denying some students the right to education. Democracy however flawed it is.. is always better than dictatorship. There is hope. Remember people of Bihar gave a crushing defeat to laloo, they preferred development and did not fall for caste politics.

 

[misterme2]

I agree, No denying the fact.

But, some members here were of the opinion that India is more of a threat to them than any other nation. And the reasons cited were economic relationship. I was replying to them.



True. Most indian members will agree with your POV. But, the bad news is communism has become inseparable with Dictatorship. Imagine Maoist ruling India. They themselves are blowing up school and denying some students the right to education. Democracy however flawed it is.. is always better than dictatorship. There is hope. Remember people of Bihar gave a crushing defeat to laloo, they preferred development and did not fall for caste politics.

yeah thats true....Bihar CM is doing wonders for Bihar..I remember when I was young everyone used to rag you to death if you told them you were from Bihar, i personally like the folks from there...I just we arrested Laloo and his wife....I think he was arrested and then let go....

 

[sanibhagwan]

The Chinese government pays a lot of attention to Chinese public opinion. Perhaps more so than most, because they know the power of a people's revolution. In fact that is how they gained power in the first place in 1949, they did it via a people's revolution, so they know how powerful it can be.

However a government can never truly represent an individuals opinion, especially not in developing countries. The Indian government has stashed away $1.5 trillion in Swiss Banks, did this happen with the consent of the Indian people?

The chances of a Sino-American war are almost zero in today's climate. The chances of another India-Pakistan war though, in the event of another Mumbai attack, is definitely plausible, much more so. And in that situation, it could lead to a renewed Sino-Indian conflict.

The chances of a Sino-American war are almost zero in today's climate.

The most recent hostilities happened between China and America (Hainan Island incident), in-spite of prospering relationship.

On the other hand, Indo-pak conflict will become a sino-Indian conflict. Please explain?

Your opinion defies logic.

sino-American conflict
Direct threat via south china sea skirmishes

Indirect threat due to Japan, South-Korea, Taiwan, etc

Your opinion, there is no possibilities of a war.

Indo-Pak conflict

Not even related to china.

Your opinion, it will eventually become a sino-inda war.