"Resistance 2.0." - Battle for Panjshir begins - Taliban claims victory

[nangyale]

Yup! Ahmad Massoud Jr said something like 'I am the son of Ahmad Shah Massoud and surrender is not in my blood!' Give him his wish!

Just saw an interview of a Kabul University lecturer. A smart young man. Had and still had a lot of stake in the old order which just collapsed. Even he is seeing that eventually the civilians will suffer in Panjshir in this futile 'cause'.

This guy is being primed to become the sacrificial lamb by A.Saleh the same way he wished Ghani will become.

I just hope that the IEA does a more clever act of disappearing them both rather than giving the propagandists more ammunition.

 

[Meengla]

I just hope that the IEA does a more clever act of disappearing them both rather than giving the propagandists more ammunition.

Absolutely. Both Massoud Jr and Saleh need to be tackled quietly. No need to make 'martyrs' out of those two who will eventually have the bloods of hundreds, if not thousands, on their hands for launching a futile war whose ONLY chance for survival was some major power getting directly involved.

BTW, it was my fear that Americans, soon after the withdrawal, would start supporting the Panjshir resistance, but by all indications so far, Americans are looking forward to work with the Taliban in some capacity; as horrible the Kabul Airport suicide bombing was-- it was a gain for the Taliban!!

 

[nangyale]

Absolutely. Both Massoud Jr and Saleh need to be tackled quietly. No need to make 'martyrs' out of those two who will eventually have the bloods of hundreds, if not thousands, on their hands for launching a futile war whose ONLY chance for survival was some major power getting directly involved.

BTW, it was my fear that Americans, soon after the withdrawal, would start supporting the Panjshir resistance, but by all indications so far, Americans are looking forward to work with the Taliban in some capacity; as horrible the Kabul Airport suicide bombing was-- it was a gain for the Taliban!!

I was watching David Petraeus being interviewed by the BBC yesterday and he was asked about Panjshir, his response was, (which I summarise)how can we start another war with the Taliban when we just disengaged from one.

So no the Americans are not going to help, it's just A.Sale leading the Bacha up the garden path to his slaughter.

What does it say?

Nothing related to this thread, don't know why it was even posted.

 

[Zhukov]

Nations are forged after wars which settle festering disputes between various factions inside the borders, followed by peace. That happened in the America after the Civil War, for example.

Ahmad Shah Massoud HAD to be made a hero because every country which starts after a war--such as after the toppling of Taliban--need heroes. And so we see his pics. Maybe he earned it to an extent. But giving the same value to his Pappu Son at the expense of Massoud senior's brothers is unfair. Massoud Jr. explicitly asked for foreign help--something not new to Afghan 'leaders' if you go to the mid 1970s onwards--and that shows the caliber of the leader he is. He has, in fact, risked the lives of tens of thousands of people in a future war! He should be eliminated to prevent a futile resistance.

But a big news is that Pentagon looks it's 'possible' to work with the Taliban against 'terrorism'. Shows you where the American direction is likely to be...

He should not discredit his Father's name by sitting on the wrong side. Thats what my point is.
If Masood was a recognised hero, deserving or not, He should remain a hero rather then disputed by actions of his unexperienced 32 years old son.

 

[nangyale]

He should not discredit his Father's name by sitting on the wrong side. Thats what my point is.
If Masood was a recognised hero, deserving or not, He should remain a hero rather then disputed by actions of his unexperienced 32 years old son.

Massoud was a recognised Hero for the NA which latter became ANA, not for the whole of Afghanistan.
Also the dead don't get any say in the affairs of the living.

Manzoor Pasteen and NA .... look more deeply, you will understand the game behind the scene .Most recent picture ... Dawar split away from PDM and announce a new party ....

@Irfan Baloch @HRK

That tweet says nothing about anything including the NA.
It just says "Today evening with our beloved leader. Our struggle the nation's struggle"

Where are you quoting all the other details from?

 

[HRK]

That tweet says nothing about anything including the NA.
It just says "Today evening with our beloved leader. Our struggle the nation's struggle"

Where are you quoting all the other details from?

He was not translating the tweet but was trying to establish the link between the split of PTM and the situation in Afghanistan

 

[Meengla]

the dead don't get any say in the affairs of the living.

Interesting quotes.

As for Massoud Sr. getting the status of a 'national hero' in Afghanistan--it was an exaggerated profile based solely on the fact that the Northern Alliance, riding on the back of American troops after 9/11, 'conquered' Kabul. You know--the winner writes the history, right? Except in that case the 'winner' didn't win on its own--it was confined to a tiny pocket of resistance against a rag tag Taliban of the 90s despite the winner being backed by several external powers.
Some jokes of history--but they are facts!

 

[nangyale]

He was not translating the tweet but was trying to establish the link between the split of PTM and the situation in Afghanistan

Okay, got it.
So I will ask, do you think there's a connection between the two events?
I am not very up-to-date on the PTM affairs.

 

[HRK]

Okay, got it.
So I will ask, do you think there's a connection between the two events?
I am not very up-to-date on the PTM affairs.

Actually the rifts b/w the 2 factions were in existence from day one Moshin Dawar and his faction was more interested to contest election, while Pashteen faction was oppose to this idea .... in the end Moshin contested the election without the support of Pashteen.

The Only thing which kept them together was the fundings and relatively week political standing of Moshin Dawar in National politics and at International forums. Pahteen was promoted more as compare to Moshin while Moshin Dawar and Ali Wazir were active to gain their political space which they eventually got, allegedly they were the main characters who used to plan protest and attacks on Security check posts in former Tribal Areas.

Recently both factions had some issue over financial operation within the party so in the end the split of PTM is more related to clash of personal and Financial Interests of Moshin Dawar and Manzoor Pashteen, but I still believe that these faction could get reunite if some sponsor want a merger.

 

[Clutch]

Who knows? May be, he has already left for some safe place.

I agree... He is probably hiding in London or Germany delivering pizza right now fighting his war on Twitter.

 

[imadul]

Sanity should prevail. Both should negotiate. Of Taliban give panjshiris more than size, they shall agree. Similarly, hazaras and Shias should be well accommodated.
More and more clemency is the answer.

 

[blueazure]

The valley has a narrow entry with resistance holding the vantage points which makes it difficult for invading party to capture place. Russian tried everything with their helicopters and artillery yet failed to capture it.

dont you think the talis know this fact !?

LOL

 

[Pappa Alpha]

He could have been a governor and worked towards peace. Now he will either hang or flee.

 

[HttpError]

The Fall of Panjshir will be the final nail in the coffin of the Northern Alliance.

 

[Vapnope]

dont you think the talis know this fact !?

LOL

So did the British about Rommel plans. Like i said, this won't be a walkover for taliban hence the patience so far.