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Report: Turkey considered an invasion of the waters of Israel
A Turkish newspaper reveals: In a secret meeting, hours before the Mavi Marmara incident, the possibility of a war with Israel was considered.
Gil Ronen and Aga Bar Korkut, 09/05/1437
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Preparations for the Mavi Marmara
A Turkish newspaper has revealed details of a high-level meeting of the country's military leaders, in which the Turkish government has considered sending military escort ships to the Mavi Marmara (the Turkish flotilla) and the possibility of a war with Israel as a result.

The Mavi Marmara was part of a flotilla designed to break Israel's naval blockade of Gaza four years ago. Nine Turkish Islamists were killed on board the ship after IDF soldiers brutally attacked them.

The incident exacerbated the already shaky relationship between Israel and Turkey, which in the past were close allies.

The press statements issued by the retired Turkish admiral, Nusrat Gunner, indicate how far Erdogan's government was prepared to go with its support of anti-Israel groups.

According to the report, a few hours before the raid on the Mavi Marmara at the end of May 2010, the Turkish naval base in Iskenderun was attacked by Kurdish fighters armed with rocket launchers, and six Turkish soldiers were killed and seven wounded.

Prime Minister Erdoğan, Turkish Chief of Staff Ilkir Svog, and Navy Commander Ogor Yagit were all out of the country on official visits.

The Turkish newspaper Habturk reported that at 7:30 am on the same day, an emergency meeting was held with the participation of Deputy Prime Minister Bulent Arink, Minister of the Interior Sir Atlai, a number of generals from the army and Navy Admiral Nusrat Gunner.

During the meeting, the idea arose to send combat ships to escort the Mavi Marmara to Israel. The government asked the navy if it was prepared to do so. Admiral Gunner confirmed that the navy was prepared to send combat ships to accompany the anti-Israeli flotilla, but warned that this would probably ignite a "hot" war with Israel, adding that in such a case, because the situation with Israel was close, The rules of battle. "

However, after army officers and government officials examined the extreme scenario of a military confrontation with Israel, government members abandoned the idea of accompanying the Mavi Marmara with battleships and retreated.

Instead, ministers offered to tell the media that the Turkish navy was escorting the ship, although in practice it would not do so at all.

Admirals and generals expressed strong opposition to the "day" of the imaginary scenes and it was decided to wait until Erdogan returned to Turkey. A few hours later, the raid on the Mavi Marmara took place.

It was reported that a second emergency meeting was held with Prime Minister Erdogan to discuss the government's response. It is not known if the possibility of attacking Israel was also considered there.
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Turkey would over-run Israel in a one on one, non-nuclear exchange where foreign intervention doesn't take place.

But the cost would make it irrational for Turkey to enter war with Israel.
 
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Turkey would over-run Israel in a one on one, non-nuclear exchange where foreign intervention doesn't take place.

But the cost would make it irrational for Turkey to enter war with Israel.
we wold win
 
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In the event of such a war I would have warned Israel not to go nuclear and provided a nuclear umbrella to our brother Muslim nation. Israel needs to be brought down a peg or two.
 
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we wold win

Depends, if Israel attack Turkey, than Turkey would invoke NATO article 5. If US remain neutral, than NATO is literally finished. Other NATO members would side with Turkey and Israel won't be able to take on Turkish military as well as European military.
 
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Depends, if Israel attack Turkey, than Turkey would invoke NATO article 5. If US remain neutral, than NATO is literally finished. Other NATO members would side with Turkey and Israel won't be able to take on Turkish military as well as European military.
this s not going to happen ... Nato will never ditch Israel ... If that would have been the case Israel would have been destroyed decades back ...
 
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Israel never fought against a NATO member. Such as Turkey.

Having said that Israel is a de facto member of NATO and a wider extension of western power in the region. It would not survive without the limitless and unconditional support of Washington especially in its earlier days. Nowadays of course with the possession of nuclear weapons they will simply blow up the country that poses an existential threat to them.
 
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Turkey would over-run Israel in a one on one, non-nuclear exchange where foreign intervention doesn't take place.
Looked at a map lately?
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Without crossing through war-torn Syria, which I do not see Turkey do, the only way to 'over-run Israel' is by landing from the sea.

The Turkish Navy maintains several marine and special operations units. These include one amphibious marine brigade, several commando detachments and two special operations forces. I would like to point out that the Amphibious Marines Brigade (Amfibi Deniz Piyade Tugayı) based in Foça near İzmir consists of 4,500 men, three amphibious battalions, an MBT battalion, an artillery battalion, a support battalion and other company-sized units. In addition, the army has 2 commando brigades (1st and 5th). The typical NATO standard brigade consists of approximately 3,200 to 5,500 troops. So, let's say a total of 15-16,000 usefull troops that could be used in the initial assault.

Next let's look at what Turkey's navy can move today in one go:
1x Bayraktar Class Landing Ship Tanks (367 armed troops, 20 MBT and between 24 – 60 vehicles)
1x Osman Gazi
-class landing ship, tank (900 armed troops as well as 15 tanks each)
2x Sarucabey class landing ship, tank (600 troops, 11 tanks each)
2x 130-class LCT (100 troops or 5 main battle tanks)
10x 140 class LCT (100 troops or 5 main battle tanks)
9x 150 class LCT (250 troops, or 320 tons of cargo = approx 5 MBT)
That's a total of about 5,900 troops, 57 tanks and 24-60 vehicles.
You might move some more troops and vehicles using STUFT, but not a whole lot I would think.

You might also attempt air assault (para) using CASA CN-235, Transall C-160, Lockheed C-130 Hercules and Airbus A400M Atlas but this would mean the Turkish airforce would have to both protect the aircraft while 'en-route' and achieve local air superiority of landing zones in Israel. The chances of that happening are imho very slim.
 
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What a crap article. Turkey would never get into a war with their best-friend Israel.
 
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Yes but it was Turkey which was planning and I think if Turkey and Israel fights, NATO will remain neutral .. whereas USA will support Israel ...

Not if Israel attack Turkey. An attack on a NATO nation is an attack on all NATO nations. At worst, US will force Israel to apologize and compensate. As much as US support Israel. US will not allow Israel to destroy NATO.
 
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In the event of such a war I would have warned Israel not to go nuclear and provided a nuclear umbrella to our brother Muslim nation. Israel needs to be brought down a peg or two.
I think you didn't get we were discussing the option of Turkey navy going into Israeli waters. I.e. Turkey as aggressor.
As for Turkey overrunning Israel, I think I made clear what a BS remark that was. But Israel faces the same obstacle in land war as Turkey does. Remains: naval and air warfare. In that context, the nuclear option simply isn't an option.


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Shaheen-III was revealed and tested on 9 March 2015 with a 2750 km (1700-mile) range.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaheen-III

The flight distance from e.g. Gwadar to to Jerusalem is 2736.16 km (Center/East), to Eilat (South) is 2741.56 km, to Haifa (North) is 2773.31 km and to Tel Aviv (Center/West) 2792.65 km. So, from Gwadar, you could 'get' Eilat and Jerusalem. However, you would have to be launching from the very Western parts of Pakistan e.g. Jiwani or Nok Kundi in order to reach all of Israel.

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Consider your missiles would have to overfly the Persian Gulf/Iran, and may come into reach of any land-based THAAD or shipborn AEGIS/BMD assets that happen to be in the area. They would then need to pass through Israel's own BMD.

Finally, you would have to try not to hit Gaza and the West Bank with your nukes ....
 
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