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@araz @Signalian @Horus @The Eagle So from where is this information coming referring to purchase of J10. A wasted thread.
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From @Zarvan@araz @Signalian @Horus @The Eagle So from where is this information coming referring to purchase of J10. A wasted thread.
PAF is on record as saying JF-17 is their destiny yet some people think they will stop after 30 Block IIIs and buy J-10 as a "stop gap".@araz @Signalian @Horus @The Eagle So from where is this information coming referring to purchase of J10. A wasted thread.
Then why make a half-arsed point in the first place that neither contradicts or advances any form of argument?
Its Italian origins may be of trivial interest. But I'm still unclear on the point you're trying to make. I think I have a clue, but is suspect it has something to do with ego
yyou spoke of generations claiming the J10 is a generation ahead but it leverages design concepts from the 1950s So why does J10 being a newer aircraft automatically bestow superior flight performance vis-a-vis the older F16? Your claim of superior high altitude and supersonic performance for divertless supersonic intake is also false. DSI reduces weight and complexity and improves LO with acceptable deterioration in supersonic, super cruise and high altitude performance over other designs such as 'gauzing panels' (YF-23) or variable duct (F-15) or perforated diverters (Typhoon). The performance trade off was acceptable for the F-35, and J10 but not acceptable for the Rafale, Typhoon, Gripen or the F-22.
It's not an ego thing. Unless you have 500 hrs in the F-16 and the J-10 don't make claims about flight performance.
Modern delta-canard, with very high centre-of-gravity-offset to centre-of-lift offset, fly by wire, thrust vectoring control, canard foreplanes, use of composite materials, and computer optimised DSI means it is, at the very least, half a generation ahead over the F-16s design, which HAS not evolved in any way.
I was joking broNot me Mr @Blacklight is the main source and also confirmed by Mr @TaimiKhan
Thank you for your response, I like a person who can have a good conversation by presenting sources and explaining clearly, rare sight these days, and it helps me learn more too, I’m not the best with aircraft.There is ample information about J-10 variants on the web but I do not get the hype of J-10C in particular. I have posted some information in previous post (fixed 1st image as well). There is virtually nothing to suggest that sensor systems of J-10C are in the league of sensor systems of F-16 Block 70/72, let alone the notion of "J-10C has superior EW and radar capabilities to F-16V" can even be entertained. If the gap is big in this area, what more there is to talk about? The talk simply ends here.
There are noticeable differences in the airframe of F-16 variants and J-10 variants to begin with. DSi is helpful in terms of mitigating RCS spikes of canards and other details in J-10C; the jet fighter have external payload nevertheless.
F-16 Block 70/72 have sufficient sensor fidelity to detect and track airborne objects having RCS around 1 m^2 mark from afar (solid BVR engagement envelope for targets of the sort). J-10C will be noticed and tracked from afar - no issue.
Rafale F3R can also detect elusive airborne objects around 100 KM mark with onboard EO/IR solution being active at this point, and the likes of J-10C beforehand.
Therefore.
It looks like you skimmed my previous post.
"Building on decades of proven performance, Lockheed Martin has updated the sensor suite of the F-16 to even further increase its capabilities. The new variation of the IRST21® (Infrared Search and Track) sensor suite, named Legion-ES™ (Embedded System), is designed for the F-16 Block 70/72 fleet to optimize aircraft performance.
Legion-ES is a fully integrated, embedded IRST system providing critical technology to detect and track airborne threats with weapon-quality accuracy, increasing pilot reaction time and enhancing warfighter survivability. The configuration is complementary to other on-board and off-board aircraft sensors, enabling multispectral engagement capability. For example, if a pilot spots something of uncertainty on his or her radar, Legion-ES can be used as the long-wave infrared sensor to determine what the threat may be."
Lockheed Martin Unveils Upgraded Sensor Suite for New Production F-16
Building on decades of proven performance, Lockheed Martin has updated the sensor suite of the F-16 to even further increase its capabilities.www.lockheedmartin.com
LOL
AIM-120D can be used to engage airborne targets around 150 KM mark in BVR engagements - this is very close to maximum of PL-15. AIM-120D is also one of the most reliable A2A missiles ever built. How many PL-15 kills out there?
Having long-range A2A missiles is helpful but you need to keep in mind what they can do in EW-heavy environments.
BVR kills might not be easy to achieve in many situations depending upon what type of adversary you are up against.
6000 kg is maximum limit of J-10 variants. There will be performance penalties otherwise. You cannot expect miracles from increasingly lighter airframes.
No.
J-10C will have better range in Pakistan's case due to IFR ???
F-16s are designed to operate in all weather conditions and can be used to conduct strikes deep inside India with CFTs in current times - how will J-10C fit the bill without reliable CFTs?
Unless PAF gets something like J-16 or Eurofighter Typhoon?
F-16s do not suffer much performance loss in case of protracted engagements either (solid blend of airframe and engine performance parameters). This is important consideration as well.
Americans have decided that there won't be political compromises in exports of F-16 Block 70/72 to interested parties.
New F-16s Will All Be Sold In A Single Base Model Configuration With A Standardized Price
Lockheed Martin says the new sales concept will save time and money, both in the contracting process and when it comes to actually producing the jets.www.thedrive.com
Good thing I suppose?
WE are expecting too much from select suppliers TBH. Pakistan should try its best to cultivate solid relations with as many countries as possible in coming years; wider set of options are much better for launching new programs and making off-the-shelf purchases in times of urgency.
I just said East & West. No names.Not me Mr @Blacklight is the main source and also confirmed by Mr @TaimiKhan
Hope nothing serious. Get well soon.Thank you for your response, I like a person who can have a good conversation by presenting sources and explaining clearly, rare sight these days, and it helps me learn more too, I’m not the best with aircraft.
I would like to continue but currently I’m hospitalized, so I’ll have to leave it there. Sorry, but thanks for the effort