REMEMBERING MY SENIOR SIR RASHID MINHAS

[syedali73]

So,it is again understandable that methanol,if taken could be broken down into metabolites,where as further stress conditions would have further affected-but it is again just an assumption.The list I have posted earlier as an alternative,should be considered as well.Besides the chemical concentration,state of matter is something which has it's own importance.Besides,environmental condition such as stress,and extreme cases such as explosion,would have affected upon chemical traces.

regards

Mati could have not made Minhas to ‘drink’ methanol (or other alcohols for that matter) so it is out of question. Chloroform would take long time for Minhas to pass out, at-least 5 minutes if he was ‘fully cooperating’ with Mati and it is not logical that he would volunteer to get passed out. Other anaesthetic agents you have listed out are all controlled substances and extremely difficult to obtain by non-Medical personnel. Besides, using them safely was not possible for Mati or any non-professional for that matter. We have a dedicated anaesthesia specialist available during operations involving GA, for even a regular MBBS or MD is not qualified to handle these substances.

Sir external heat cannot effect the rate of metabolism or it can?. So explosion or no explosion (i know in autospies original compounds are not sought,its the metabolized or degraded substances or whatever u call them are considered to determine what substance orignially wud have been used, hence, sometimes vagueness also looms in some cases), the inhalants would have metabolized in the body just as in normal circumstances.?

Secondly, the blog said the use of cholorform was circumstancial evidence ,but had they performed autopsy on him?

In case of Minhas, his body was not burnt hence if autopsy was ever done, presence of certain substances could be ascertained. I do not know if autopsy was carried out or not but it is a routine procedure.

 

[Shamain]

Mati could have not made Minhas to ‘drink’ methanol (or other alcohols for that matter) so it is out of question. Chloroform would take long time for Minhas to pass out, at-least 5 minutes if he was ‘fully cooperating’ with Mati and it is not logical that he would volunteer to get passed out. Other anaesthetic agents you have listed out are all controlled substances and extremely difficult to obtain by non-Medical personnel. Besides, using them safely was not possible for Mati or any non-professional for that matter. We have a dedicated anaesthesia specialist available during operations involving GA, for even a regular MBBS or MD is not qualified to handle these substances.


In case of Minhas, his body was not burnt hence if autopsy was ever done, presence of certain substances could be ascertained. I do not know if autopsy was carried out or not but it is a routine procedure.

Ya in usa there are anaesthesiologists that are doctors qualified in this discipline who administer the drug and then there are anaesthetists who are the nurses responsible for this job. Dont know how works in pakistan. The same doc doing surgery administers the anaesthesia or there is a hired specialist.
Sorry for off topic post.

 

[syedali73]

Ya in usa there are anaesthesiologists that are doctors qualified in this discipline who administer the drug and then there are anaesthetists who are the nurses responsible for this job. Dont know how works in pakistan. The same doc doing surgery administers the anaesthesia or there is a hired specialist.
Sorry for off topic post.

It is not surgeon's job to administer anesthesia even in Pakistan.

 

[Foxtrot-Bravo]

Sir @Pakistanisage You have made my day. Thanks for this awesome thread.

 

[Faiez]

This aircraft was developed in the 1940's and we flew with back pack parachutes...

Thanks, now that clears it all up.

And why was he without a parachute ? Poor planning etc?

 

[Pakistanisage]

Thanks, now that clears it all up.

And why was he without a parachute ? Poor planning etc?

Those Parachutes that were designed for this aircraft were not for sale in the market place.

If this fellow showed up requesting the Parachute from the PAF Parachute department at the Flight Lines, it would have evoked suspicion since all Bengali Pilots were grounded till further notice ( i.e. taken off flying duties).

 

[aliyusuf]

That brings a question in my mind that perhaps a Flight Safety Officer / Ground Safety Officer who has been effectively grounded by PAF command, climbing aboard the plane should have triggered suspicion in the mind of RM and the control tower should have been notified there and then while the traitor was climbing aboard the plane? Even more so when the traitor set the plane into an immediate take off run?

 

[Pakistanisage]

That brings a question in my mind that perhaps a Flight Safety Officer / Ground Safety Officer who has been effectively grounded by PAF command, climbing aboard the plane should have triggered suspicion in the mind of RM and the control tower should have been notified there and then while the traitor was climbing aboard the plane? Even more so when the traitor set the plane into an immediate take off run?

Understand that even on a grounded status , the Instructor still had official responsibility as Safety Officer to question the Pilots. The traitor flagged Rashid down and pretended to talk to him climbing the wing of the aircraft. From that position it literally took him a second to jump in the back seat and take over the Controls of the Aircraft. Keep in mind that the T-33's taxied with the canopy in UP/OPEN position. Sir Rashid probably thought the instructor saw something that he wanted to draw his attention to. All this happened at lightning speed and by the time the traitor tried to take-off, it dawned on Sir Rashid that the traitor had some other ideas on his mind.

I have to say that it is a lot simpler for rest of us to PONTIFICATE on internet what Sir Rashid should have done or not. We were not there and how many of us would have had the courage to do what our National Hero did.

 

[Slav Defence]

Mati could have not made Minhas to ‘drink’ methanol (or other alcohols for that matter) so it is out of question. Chloroform would take long time for Minhas to pass out, at-least 5 minutes if he was ‘fully cooperating’ with Mati and it is not logical that he would volunteer to get passed out. Other anaesthetic agents you have listed out are all controlled substances and extremely difficult to obtain by non-Medical personnel. Besides, using them safely was not possible for Mati or any non-professional for that matter. We have a dedicated anaesthesia specialist available during operations involving GA, for even a regular MBBS or MD is not qualified to handle these substances.


In case of Minhas, his body was not burnt hence if autopsy was ever done, presence of certain substances could be ascertained. I do not know if autopsy was carried out or not but it is a routine procedure.

So,the only solution to this problem is to have knowledge as if autopsy was done or not and chloroform/ (or traces of other if used as an alternative or not)was traced or not.We need to have info of postmortem report,if accessible in anyway.

regards

 

[Pakistanisage]

Sir @Pakistanisage You have made my day. Thanks for this awesome thread.

My Pleasure.

 

[Indus Falcon]

 

[Adecypher]

@Pakistanisage Sir, I thank you from the bottom of my heart. Right now, after having gone through this thread, I'm too emotional to say anything.

@Indus Falcon bhai Allah Subhan-u-Taala ney aap ko aik sacha or muhib-ul-wattan dil diya hey. Allah mujh jaisey gunahgaar ko aap jaiso sey kuch seekhna ki tofeeq dey... Ameen.

@Pakistanisage Bhai very well done for a thread based on facts which undoubtedly clear many questions from my mind as well as gave me wealth of knowledge about the incident.

 

[Pakistanisage]

@Pakistanisage Sir, I thank you from the bottom of my heart. Right now, after having gone through this thread, I'm too emotional to say anything.
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I am glad you like this thread.....

 

[syedali73]

@Indus Falcon bhai Allah Subhan-u-Taala ney aap ko aik sacha or muhib-ul-wattan dil diya hey. Allah mujh jaisey gunahgaar ko aap jaiso sey kuch seekhna ki tofeeq dey... Ameen.

@Pakistanisage Bhai very well done for a thread based on facts which undoubtedly clear many questions from my mind as well as gave me wealth of knowledge about the incident.

اور بھائ ہمیں کیسا دل دیا ہے الله تعالئ نے۔ خیر۔

فلم ملہار کا ایک گیت بہت مشہور ہوا تھا۔ اسکا انترا کچھ یوں تھا

دل تجھے دیا تھا رکھنے کو۔ تو نے دل کو جلا کے رکھ دیا

 

[Mabs]

I have to ask some questions that always used 2 come to my mind when wud think abt this incident.

1. Why the traitor animal wante to take a trainer jet to india. As i what purpose it wud have served.

2. What sir Minhas fought for?. As in its clear he never cared for his life. He made the sacrifice to save his country's honor by not letting the jet taken to india?

Imean i wud go with syedali's comment he shud not have bothered with what u call pol fiasco. (Tho full respect for his sacrifice)

Lastly, if jet was actually taken to india and india obviously had allowed it to land in its territory ,wouldnt that have earned india criticism for allowing a hijacked to land??

I am sorry for noob questions but ialways used to think abt it.

And lastly, so sorry that now ppl like Rashid minhas are railed and criticized by ppl.

Does it help in anyway to call Muti a 'traitor, animal' or any other derogatory terms? You can condemn his act while damning him every time you talk about him. Show some decency, there are people on this forum who hold him in respect.