Religion vs. Reason

[jamahir]

why does every Muslim country have such a bad women's rights record?

In socialist Muslim-majority societies, past and present, women were well-treated through the foundational principles of those societies.

800 years ago the mongols were feared all over Eurasia, today they have throat singing contests on mountain tops.

about not opposing interest based-finance to promote "Islamic finance"

I am not being a "religious" Muslim here but you too will acknowledge the havoc that interest-based economics has had in India.

 

[Iltutmish]

Can a woman have the right to divorce her husband?

Yes. The marriage contracts is the main foundation of an Islamic marriage.

Does she need a male guardian to marry?

Yes. But the male guardian can be overruled if he has the moral values of someone like you for example. Forced marriages are a Desi problem. Not an Islamic one.

Can she keep her children above 7 years after divorce?

What does the marriage contract say? But It’s easier for a woman to marry again if the kids are with the ex husband.

Is there a thing as marital rape?

You want to rape your gay boyfriend? Ok, sorry I couldn’t resist. Rape is rape and punishable.

@jamahir that

 

[Naofumi]

That is close to 18th century. 13 years short of it.

It was built on a great foundation already laid back by Galileo, Copernicus, Fibonacci, Vieta, Fermat etc.. in the preceding centuries.

And what did I write genius? Did I write against science when I specifically mentioned education in my post or am I to deduce that you are replying without reading?

You strawmanned. I pointed out what seculars really want.

We have had interest based finance throughout our history. Didn't work out as well as advertised though.

So, what works? Islamic finance?

Obama the droner is any better? Or the state terror unleashed by Isreal, Myanmar or India is something that must be glorified because they are seculars? The number ofnon combatants killed by these states far outnumber those killed by groups like AQ. You are stepping in a morally grey area. That is an intellectual minefield. Instead of digressing, stick to the topic.

I stuck to the topic, you bought your "gay marriage==super power" strawmanning and Osama was a terrorist, other's actions don't change his religious fanaticism which indirectly destroyed two nations and created an animosity between people.
And you didn't responded to other points like firing of Atif Mian, honor killing of daughters etc. Why?

 

[The Accountant]

I am not sure about this. I thought it was the Greeks. But you can correct me with some articles.

Greek believed that earth is the center of the world and every thing moved around the earth.

It was Muslim scholars that define that its earth rotation that is causing sky to move. Although they do not discover the solar system but they provide the basis of discovery of solar system by identifying the faults on system existed at that time i.e. every thing rotating around earth.

Furthermore, they invented geometry which later on become the basis of modern astronomy we studying till today.

 

[Michael Corleone]

Alaq has multiple meanings...one of which is medicinal leech...go look it up. People of that time took whatever meaning that they thought was accurate. The same was the case with the word noon.

Science is continuously evolving itself. Einstein proved Newtonian model to be false, earth being eternal was disproved by big bang theory and so on.

Taking a snapshot of a particular phase of history while disregarding several centuries during which Muslims were ahead of the West in terms of science, mathematics, medicine, surgery, chemistry, optics, military might and culture to prove that Islam is against science and technology and development is intellectual fraud and gimmickry.

That guy (Hoodbhoy) is a fraud and a dishonest persowho gave extra marks to those students who attended PTM processions and rallies. Character or rather the lack of it.

Islam actually encourages gain of knowledge, but blind faith pagans and their children are spoiling the name

 

[The Accountant]

The name of a tree is known by the type of its fruits. What is the end fruit bore by the Muslims? They remain the most backward, superstitious and uneducated group of people throughout the world except perhaps Turkey.

Turkey people are not superstitious because they have been intermingling with bright European people for many many centuries. They are historically an European power and are culturally European.

You say Islam does not stop us from pursuing knowledge, science and technology. But, do not we emphasize the reading of one very special book on the idea that a person becomes an Einstein of everything by doing so?

No there is no idea that Quran makes us Einstien. Quran is book of life telling us difference between right and wrong, giving us moral principles, financial priniples, social principle and economic principle.

However, its not a book of science. How are you equating reading Quran an alternate to become an engineer. If you are reading Quran it means you cant be an engineer?

We are left behind due to our faults not because of QUran

 

[Psychic]

Is there a thing as marital rape?

Only when the woman is on periods, sick or mentally disturbed. The same is true for the male; he has to fulfill sexual urges of his wife unless he is ill or disturbed.

Fulfilling the sexual desires of the spouse is a responsibility. That applies to both man and woman.

Other than due to aforementioned issues, if someone refuses physical love with his/her partner then they are committing a sin.

 

[Iltutmish]

And you didn't responded to other points like firing of Atif Mian, honor killing of daughters etc. Why?

So every time a Muslim does something wrong we have to make a statement against that and if we don’t we are automatically endorsing this kind of behavior? Guilt by association. Not gonna work.

 

[jamahir]

@jamahir that

Thanks.

And a few vids I have seen of the Mongolians they all seem big-built.

Although they do not discover the solar system

About that I quote from this Wikipedia page :

The development of astronomy by the Greek and notably Hellenistic astronomers is considered to be a major phase in the history of astronomy. Greek astronomy is characterized by seeking a geometrical model for celestial phenomena. Most of the names of the stars, planets, and constellations of the northern hemisphere are inherited from the terminology of the Greek astronomy, which are however indeed transliterated from the empirical knowledge in Babylonian astronomy, characterized by its theoretical model formulation in terms of algebraic and numerical relations, and to a lesser extent from Egyptian astronomy. Later, the scientific work by astronomers and mathematicians of the arbo-moslem empire, of diverse backgrounds and religions (such as the Syriac Christians[citation needed]), to translate, comment and then correct Ptolemy's Almagest, influenced in their turn Indian and Western European astronomy

The name "planet" comes from the Greek term πλανήτης (planētēs), meaning "wanderer", as ancient astronomers noted how certain lights moved across the sky in relation to the other stars. Five extraterrestrial planets can be seen with the naked eye: Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, and Saturn, the Greek names being Hermes, Aphrodite, Ares, Zeus and Cronus. Sometimes the luminaries, the Sun and Moon, are added to the list of naked eye planets to make a total of seven. Since the planets disappear from time to time when they approach the Sun, careful attention is required to identify all five. Observations of Venus are not straightforward. Early Greeks thought that the evening and morning appearances of Venus represented two different objects, calling it Hesperus ("evening star") when it appeared in the western evening sky and Phosphorus ("light-bringer") when it appeared in the eastern morning sky. They eventually came to recognize that both objects were the same planet. Pythagoras is given credit for this realization.

 

[Cliftonite]

Yes. The marriage contracts is the main foundation of an Islamic marriage.



Yes. But the male guardian can be overruled if he has the moral values of someone like you for example. Forced marriages are a Desi problem. Not an Islamic one.



What does the marriage contract say? But It’s easier for a woman to marry again if the kids are with the ex husband.



You want to rape your gay boyfriend? Ok, sorry I couldn’t resist. Rape is rape and punishable.

@jamahir that

Chalo, you're not as far gone as I thought you were.

 

[Naofumi]

So every time a Muslim does something wrong we have to make a statement against that and if we don’t we are automatically endorsing this kind of behavior? Guilt by association. Not gonna work.

But you're making statements against those who are against that behaviour.

I am not being a "religious" Muslim here but you too will acknowledge the havoc that interest-based economics has had in India.

No, I don't acknowledge what you said. Modern world works on interest, you can't have an interest free modern economy as competent as interest based one.

 

[The Accountant]

Since I have just began to read the English translation of the Quran I will take your word for

Thats good. I myself is reading english bible to understand whats written in it.

On which chapter u r ? If u have any difficulty in understanding any topic u can ask me i will try to help u understand.

If u understand urdu i recommend u to listen verbal translation by dr. Israr ahmed. Its much more understanable to a common man and its with a little background.

 

[Areesh]

And what happened in the present ?

When Neil Armstrong returned from his moon trip he was cornered by some Muslim misguided reporters who asked him if he heard the azaan on the moon. That is the silly state of Muslims now. All prayer and no think.



I believe those scientists were freer then than now. At present Taliban-loving people like @Areesh are the reason that though there are 50 Muslim-majority countries there are no technological advancements like a Muslim space station or even a Muslim colony on Mars, no Muslim computer operating system and microprocessor and no Muslim cures for conditions like aging, AIDS and cancers.



I only describe Islam as to how it is in truth. You can read that thread of mine.



Let's call our wise maulana here - @Areesh.

I am just disappointed that you didn't mention qaddafi and Naser in this post

The rest you have said is pure BS and doesn't really require a response

 

[YeBeWarned]

Ahhh A Physicist that talks about everything but Physics if this is the best our society has Produced then i fear that young minds like Saboor Ahmad, Abdullah Anduluz , Hamze Tzortiz , Muhammad Hijab will eat him alive , chew and threw him in the trash ..

 

[jamahir]

No, I don't acknowledge what you said. Modern world works on interest

It is not written by stars in the night sky that it cannot be changed.

you can't have an interest free modern economy as competent as interest based one.

Why not ?

And I am questioning the very basis of what we call money in society like India.

Thats good. I myself is reading english bible to understand whats written in it.

On which chapter u r ? If u have any difficulty in understanding any topic u can ask me i will try to help u understand.

If u understand urdu i recommend u to listen verbal translation by dr. Israr ahmed. Its much more understanable to a common man and its with a little background.

I am reading Abdullah Yusuf Ali and I finished only the preface and introduction part. Yet to start a chapter.