Reinventing the Nation: Made in China 2025

[Grevion]

Fuuny comparison，but China is unlike Soviet，we have no interest in changing others political idealogy. To be honest，Soviet did find out a new way for non west country to catch up with the West，it told the Human how to make national plans and execute it ，how to finish industrization quickly. The soviet did have too many shortcomings and its leaderships were too aggressive to their neibours including China，but the West downgrade the Soviet achievements too much after Cold War . The two big competitors of USA，Russia and China ，one was communism when it was superpower，one is still communism，that means something .

I agree with you that the west downgrades the achievements of the soviets like the first satellite into space and the five year plans.
China's rise as a economic power started in the 80's which was the last decade of the USSR as a Union. The fight between the east and the west was also a fight of the two ideologies and don't get me wrong but sometimes I think the true successor of the soviet Union is not Russia but China.
PRC and Soviet Union have so much in common yet China has been the face of world economic growth for the last two decades. The difference is that while soviet tried and adhere to their ideology of growth with socialism China did the same with the help of communist capitalism.

 

[empirefighter]

I agree with you that the west downgrades the achievements of the soviets like the first satellite into space and the five year plans.
China's rise as a economic power started in the 80's which was the last decade of the USSR as a Union. The fight between the east and the west was also a fight of the two ideologies and don't get me wrong but sometimes I think the true successor of the soviet Union is not Russia but China.
PRC and Soviet Union have so much in common yet China has been the face of world economic growth for the last two decades. The difference is that while soviet tried and adhere to their ideology of growth with socialism China did the same with the help of communist capitalism.

In Chinese forum，we call Soviet older brother and we call Russia big nephew，just a joke. In fact，socialism or capitalism is just an ideology all created by Human，neither one is perfect just as there is no perfect laws in the world，there will be no perfect ideology if the Human keep developing，we have to keep developing idaology in order to suit our society，so the good competition of these ideology can lead Human to a better society，China does not view USA as an enemy ，we are competitors and this competition is good for ourselves and the whole Human.

 

[TaiShang]

China does not view USA as an enemy ，we are competitors and this competition is good for ourselves and the whole Human.

I would say China does not hold an essentialist enemy view toward the US or any other country for that matter. That's basically what separates China from the Messianic US regime which tends to see the world as disproportionally shared by the good and the evil.

China, on the other, observes a pragmatist (as much as possible) policy which includes a realistic assessment of one own capacity and the opponent's capability. Preperadness is emphasized over myth-making. So, be prepared like you have thousand enemies but construct policies based on opportunistic win-win (albeit not completely equal) situations.

 

[AndrewJin]

You type these much words, but you don't get the point. You compare Apple with Foxconn repeatly, don't understand what's the manufacturing power.
And you avoid answering who is leader in comprehensive manufacturing power.

I am interested in why you tell me you are chemical engineer? show you know more than me? hehe, it is very funny, what do you think my position is? My job are much closer to manufacturing and R&D than you, may offend you, in my opinion, when talking about industralization and manufacturing, you are more like armchair expert, something you still don't understand, like many indian and Vietnamese in the forum.

I don't think it need to discuss with you on this, I know what you will talk if continue, where is the position of China in the world economy, and industry, I know better than you, I am in it.

BTW, I am not ultra nationalist, from my comments, where do you find I said China is best?

You type these much words, but you don't get the point. You compare Apple with Foxconn repeatly, don't understand what's the manufacturing power.
And you avoid answering who is leader in comprehensive manufacturing power.

I am interested in why you tell me you are chemical engineer? show you know more than me? hehe, it is very funny, what do you think my position is? My job are much closer to manufacturing and R&D than you, may offend you, in my opinion, when talking about industralization and manufacturing, you are more like armchair expert, something you still don't understand, like many indian and Vietnamese in the forum.

I don't think it need to discuss with you on this, I know what you will talk if continue, where is the position of China in the world economy, and industry, I know better than you, I am in it.

BTW, I am not ultra nationalist, from my comments, where do you find I said China is best?

He is an undergraduate student in chemistry, struggling to seek an exchange opportunity to China.

 

[Bussard Ramjet]

He is an undergraduate student in chemistry, struggling to seek an exchange opportunity to China.

Chemical Engineering, very different from Chemistry. Also, to be frank, we are pretty well known and respected, so yes, I don't need to "struggle" for any opportunity.

 

[AndrewJin]

Chemical Engineering, very different from Chemistry. Also, to be frank, we are pretty well known and respected, so yes, I don't need to "struggle" for any opportunity.

Whatever

 

[Echo_419]

I'm pretty sure the mayor of my city is much more hardworking than Modi.
He is also traveling around the world to seek opportunities (I'm not being sarcastic).
I think a team is much more important than a single person, effective executive teams of every layer of the government.
Talking about the districts of my city, one district had successfully convinced IKEA to build the biggest IKEA mall over another district and now it is successfully running with several hundred restaurants inside providing thousands of jobs. Its success leads to another fierce competition of several district governments to build a second mall in the suburbs.
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Modi actually works a lot & according to a recent RTI(Right to Information Act) he hasn't taken even 1 holiday since his inauguration. The main reason of his above average performance is the lack of talent in the government & the Indian Right wing
Sorry for the Offtopic rant

 

[Jlaw]

Exactly. I know that China, even CCP knows the real scenario. It is only ultra-nationalist people here who try to jump on the China is already best train.

I have full confidence that China will be able to ride up the value chain. I am just saying that RIGHT NOW, it is not happening fast enough.

China doesn't need your approval or your confidence to move up the value chain. But her southern neighbor require your confidence. Best that you take your advice to them--they need it badly

He is an undergraduate student in chemistry, struggling to seek an exchange opportunity to China.

don't you think he should seek employment with his own country? I am surprised that China allow so many anti China people in their country.

 

[CHN Bamboo]

This is an aspiration, not a plan.

Right now, things aren't going all that well in Chinese plan. China's transition isn't going smooth. The economy isn't growing properly. Overcapacity isn't decreasing. Debt is out of control.

Not that it can't be controlled, but there are huge challenges right now. Especially that of Debt, which is greater right now compared to even the US.

Don't do anything unnecessary.
This will only make you feel uncomfortable.
(Nevertheless,the statements of extreme nationalists here are more offensive.)
China's economic problems are obvious,but why you refer to them here?
This thread is directly associated with innovation&manufacturing.

These are all I know:

In 2016 Q1
Authorized domestic invention patents see a increase of 55.3% in Jan~Feb.

Online retail sales increased by 27.8% in the first quarter.

New energy vehicles in the first quarter continued to maintain a growth rate of more than 80%.

Problems:

After the reform and opening up in 1970s, with the rapid development of society and economy, a series of social problems have emerged, including widening income gap, significant urban-rural dual structure and serious "three agricultural problems".

During economic transition period, unfair distribution affects the development of social economy.

 

[empirefighter]

Don't do anything unnecessary.
This will only make you feel uncomfortable.
(Nevertheless,the statements of extreme nationalists here are more offensive.)
China's economic problems are obvious,but why you refer to them here?
This thread is directly associated with innovation&manufacturing.

These are all I know:

In 2016 Q1
Authorized domestic invention patents see a increase of 55.3% in Jan~Feb.

Online retail sales increased by 27.8% in the first quarter.

New energy vehicles in the first quarter continued to maintain a growth rate of more than 80%.

Problems:

After the reform and opening up in 1970s, with the rapid development of society and economy, a series of social problems have emerged, including widening income gap, significant urban-rural dual structure and serious "three agricultural problems".

During economic transition period, unfair distribution affects the development of social economy.

　2016Q1:the national tax income increases 9.8%，even if the government has cut the tax of medium and small type enterprises.
The bark and curse from outside medias ，specially from western medias can warn us if they are right，we ignore them if they are wrong. Afterall ，the one knows China most is always Chinese himself.

 

[AndrewJin]

China doesn't need your approval or your confidence to move up the value chain. But her southern neighbor require your confidence. Best that you take your advice to them--they need it badly



don't you think he should seek employment with his own country? I am surprised that China allow so many anti China people in their country.

It's very hard to find a decent job in their own countries, work condition harsh, salary low.

 

[Shotgunner51]

Ningbo becomes first pilot city to implement Made in China 2025
By Ma Si (chinadaily.com.cn) Updated: 2016-08-19 15:11

Ningbo, a manufacturing powerhouse in southeastern Zhejiang province, became the first pilot city in China to implement Made in China 2025, the high-end manufacturing drive.

The move came as China's top industry regulator warned that enterprises and provinces need to refrain from rash action when stepping up efforts to advance the use of cutting-edge technology in factories and plants.

Xin Guobin, the vice-minister of the Ministry of Industry and Information Technology, said it has somehow become a tradition in China that enterprises always rush headlong into action whenever enacting initiatives of national importance.

"We must guard against this trend when it comes to the Made in China 2025 drive," Xin said, "because it will affect our capability to upgrade manufacturing power and boost the quality of industrial products."​

According to him, each province should base its own unique edge and current development status to implement the plan, rather than involving all industries as their priorities.

To prevent the trend, China picked Ningbo, which has good industrial foundations, as the pilot city to test what is the best way to promote smart manufacturing.

Tang Yijun, acting mayer of Ningbo, said the city will focus on smart equipment, hardware, services and self-driving systems to transform its current industrial structure.

In 2015, the industrial output of Ningbo reached 1,670 billion yuan, with strength in cars, petrochemicals, home appliances, clothing and other industries.

It is the country's largest processing base for refined oil products and houses the factories of leading car manufacturers Zhejiang Geely Holding Group Co and Shanghai Volkswagen.

Xin said the central government will give enough effort to help Ningbo achieve its industrial transformation.


Source:
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/business/2016-08/19/content_26536807.htm
http://www.ecns.cn/business/2016/08-19/223185.shtml

 

[That Guy]

With China moving towards a consumer based economy, instead of an export focused one, high end manufacturing is going to become increasingly important; it is the best way to compensate for the decrease in low end cheap exports, which China has been known for the last few decades.

 

[Shotgunner51]

With China moving towards a consumer based economy, instead of an export focused one, high end manufacturing is going to become increasingly important; it is the best way to compensate for the decrease in low end cheap exports, which China has been known for the last few decades.

Perhaps you mean quite some time ago? Let's look at what has already become:

In 2015 China exports was $2.284 trillion, 57% electro-mechanical, followed by electronics and others, labour-intensive has dropped to below 20%. As per UN Comtrade, China is the largest exporter of
high-tech products, far exceeding any nation, even more than US-Japan-Germany-combined.

As per WIPO 2015 Edition, China already tops the world in patent filings, both as origin and as filing destination.

The manufacturing sector is increasing automated, operational stock of industrial robots (China Mainland) is expected to surpass 300,000 units (not including 55,00 units in Taiwan) overtaking Japan to become the world's largest by this year end.​

 

[Shotgunner51]

10 priority sectors:

1. New advanced information technology
2. Automated machine tools & robotics
3. Aerospace and aeronautical equipment
4. Maritime equipment and high-tech shipping
5. Modern rail transport equipment
6. New-energy vehicles and equipment
7. Power equipment
8. Agricultural equipment
9. New materials
10. Biopharma and advanced medical products.

https://www.csis.org/analysis/made-china-2025