Reflections of the 65 war.

[third eye]

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You are old enough to know a lot of things - the history of your nation is one of them.

 

[ito]

You are old enough to know a lot of things - the history of your nation is one of them.

Agree with you...I am learning it now.

 

[Capt.Popeye]

Nice read @Bang Galore

I tend to get fatalistic about the whole thing sometimes.

About what could have been. But was not.

But to be fair, we followed '65 up with '71, and in 65 were born the seeds of 71.

65 to my mind failed for India only in that we lost, probably forever, the land bridge to central Asia and beyond. I cannot think of any other strategic imperative that might have been achieved were we to have "bashed on regardless."

Just a thought about that. That is all water that has flown below the bridge.

Let me now give you a 'counter-point' from a strategic POV.
Kashmir; even as a stand-off (as it is) is a strategic asset not a liability.

It only needs to be kept controlled not eliminated.

Because it has bogged down a country in all respects, diplomatically and militarily; not to mention economically, socially and psychologically.

Actually it has led to the creation of a new quick-sand, mine-field; call it what you will..... Af-Pak.

Doc, just give that a thought now....

 

[ito]

So.... half of....half a century.

Quarter a century...

 

[VCheng]

Just a thought about that. That is all water that has flown below the bridge.

Let me now give you a 'counter-point' from a strategic POV.
Kashmir; even as a stand-off (as it is) is a strategic asset not a liability.

It only needs to be kept controlled not eliminated.

Because it has bogged down a country in all respects, diplomatically and militarily; not to mention economically, socially and psychologically.

Actually it has led to the creation of a new quick-sand, mine-field; call it what you will..... Af-Pak.

Doc, just give that a thought now....

Just remember, that way of thinking cuts both ways.

 

[Capt.Popeye]

Just remember, that way of thinking cuts both ways.

Exactly.... that is what the other side has discovered already.

As for the cuts; one just has to ensure that one has plenty of bandages and access to a bigger blood-bank......

 

[Stephen Cohen]

Just remember, that way of thinking cuts both ways.

NO it does not ; you are totally mistaken

Kashmir has NOT stopped India's RISE
This is just a Pakistani theory that the Military expenditure on Kashmir
is hurting us

Indian economy is too big and infact
Kashmir provides a good employment oppurtunities to our people
7 LAKH jobs to be precise

 

[VCheng]

NO it does not ; you are totally mistaken

Kashmir has NOT stopped India's RISE
This is just a Pakistani theory that the Military expenditure on Kashmir
is hurting us

Indian economy is too big and infact
Kashmir provides a good employment oppurtunities to our people
7 LAKH jobs to be precise

Just think if both India and Pakistan had enjoyed peace and good relations over the last half-century, what the state of social development of a fifth of all humanity would be by now. Seriously.

 

[Capt.Popeye]

Just think if both India and Pakistan had enjoyed peace and good relations over the last half-century, what the state of social development of a fifth of all humanity would be by now. Seriously.

Seriously I agree with you without reservations. The ongoing conflict has taken away many lives.... even those of near and dear ones. So IMO, there can't be a better reason to resolve it.

However, we have to be citizens of a real world, which we are not allowed to run.

 

[vsdoc]

Kashmir; even as a stand-off (as it is) is a strategic asset not a liability.

You know the moment you said it, I thought

China ..... and the US.

Not Pakistan.

 

[fatman17]

Let's dispense with the popular narrative please. Taking comments out of context to claim victory. Bash on regardless to where? India couldn't cross the BRB with its full might. The chota peg at the Lahore gymkhana never materialised for Gen Chaudhry.

 

[third eye]

Let's dispense with the popular narrative please. Taking comments out of context to claim victory. Bash on regardless to where? India couldn't cross the BRB with its full might. The chota peg at the Lahore gymkhana never materialised for Gen Chaudhry.

Seriously,

do you expect any sane discussion here ?

 

[ice_man]

@vsdoc

I think india willingly or unwillingly carried out a master stroke by not attacking EAST PAKISTAN in 65.

If india had attacked...... hatred there would have been a common uniting factor for both sides and 71 would probably never have happened.

However, the fact that the idea of defense of Pakistan means defense of WEST PAKISTAN. lead to schism that resulted in 71.

So your idea of carving out a corridor to the east would have been a short sighted gain.

However, creation of Bangladesh is a good thing for Pakistan but that is an entirely different topic that is not for this thread.

 

[GURU DUTT]

@vsdoc

I think india willingly or unwillingly carried out a master stroke by not attacking EAST PAKISTAN in 65.

If india had attacked...... hatred there would have been a common uniting factor for both sides and 71 would probably never have happened.

However, the fact that the idea of defense of Pakistan means defense of WEST PAKISTAN. lead to schism that resulted in 71.

So your idea of carving out a corridor to the east would have been a short sighted gain.

However, creation of Bangladesh is a good thing for Pakistan but that is an entirely different topic that is not for this thread.

good good so you now know the evil paleed yaindoo plan after all

 

[vsdoc]

So your idea of carving out a corridor to the east would have been a short sighted gain.

The idea being discussed was to eventually deny the Karakoram axis to Pakistan @ice_man.

By using Lahore as the quid pro quo.

But I understand Fatman sir's sentiment. Let's rejig the tone of the narrative here. And take it up elsewhere.