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Reflections of the 65 war.

BTW my first car was an old Standard Herald 1964 model , the indian version of the same car. It was over 25 years old when I bought it.

A two door car whose bonnet would open front to rear exposing the engine & front suspension. I used to remove the roof around Holi and would fit it back after diwali. Great car & great times with the family & bachelors . Thank you for reminding me.

I bought it off a old timer armyman at about 1030pm after more than a couple of drinks. He kept asking me to come back the following day to see the car again & pick it up if I still liked it- but it was of no avail.

We then proceeded to wake up the Panditji, Maulvi & Granthi in the regiment and made them bless the car close to midnight !!



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The Herald (a third-hand one) was my first car too. Bought by three of us Cadets together, the first thing that we did was to take the roof off....... and dump it some place. It had bucket seats and a 'stick on the floor'..... probably both for the first time on an Indian car.
 
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Herald '64 - Which age do you guys belong to ? :o:

My first car was a Honda Civic EXI '97 model ! :undecided:

I still have fond memories of that car ! :kiss3:

My first car was a Fiat Uno. Hope that makes you feel slightly better Armstrong. lol
 
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It had bucket seats and a 'stick on the floor'..... probably both for the first time on an Indian car.

Among the Indian made cars it was among the first. A few variants of Standard Motors like Standard 10 also had bucket seats & floor shift gears.

I think we are digressing from this august topic
 
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Newspaper headline on 2nd sept 65
 

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4th September 65
 

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Captured Pakistani officer, Capt Mohammad Sajjad and Capt Ghulum Hussain, dressed as local Kashmiris

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First photograph of the Haji Pir Pass after it was captured by Indian troops
 
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I am sixty something now but on that fateful September l was a 11 year old school boy whose father was a Lt.Col in the army posted at the GHQ pending his posting to Azad Kashmir.

The whole family father, mother , my two sisters and myself had gone shopping that evening on the 1st of September in my father's Triumph Herald 1200, and on the way back my father disclosed to the whole family that his posting had come through and he had to leave for kotli in Azad Kashmir within 24 hours. I could see the tension on my mother's face as she gripped my father's arm. He smiled at her and said it will be okay don't worry and to quickly inject some morale he addressed me saying kaka our airforce today shot down four Indian vampires without loss. I was cock a hoop, jumping up and down on the back seat of the car. My mother just smiled knowing quite well the dangers her husband was going to face in a few days time. Both my sisters were too young to understand what was going on.

We got home on church road in lal kurti near the presentation school for girls and I got out of the car and hugged my dad tightly, he was my hero along with any uniformed person during those fateful days.

My father's batman jumma Khan was ordered to pack my dad's kit that evening as the jeep to pick him up was due early next morning for the journey to kotli to take command of his unit (Punjab regt ).

Our dinner table was very quiet that evening. I went to my bedroom to complete my homework and around 9pm my father came to my room, hugged me and put me to bed. To me he was invincible in his dashing khaki uniform and green beret of the Punjab regiment.

Next morning he was long gone before l woke up and went to school, St Marys on Murree road where the talk of the day was the downing of the four vampires by the PAF. We were supremely confident in the capabilities of our army and airforce that day.

Soon war was declared as both adversaries faced each other across the CFL and the international border.

That evening FM Ayub Khan addressed the nation informing us of the state of war. Meray Aziz humwatano he blurted in his deep voice which sent shivers down my spine. I was dancing and completely delerious.

Schools were closed which was the added benefit of war (that's how l felt ) and no homework. I was in heaven.

My father's batman quickly dug up a L shaped trench in our garden to be used during air raids.

Radio pakistan was our only means of live news and l was glued to the radio every top of the hour. The morning paper the Pakistan times was eagerly awaited to read the news of the exploits of our forces along with the pictures of the war.

The first air raid warning took place that night at around 9 or 10 pm. Jumma Khan quickly ushered us into the trench as we heard the ack ack open up along with a couple of huge thuds as bombs landed nearby (we lived close to the GHQ and there was an ack ack gun nearby which made a hell of a noise ). Both my sisters started crying and I felt my legs shaking. I tried to put up a brave face but l couldn't stop my legs from shaking. War had finally hit home and l quickly realised why my mother acted the way she did the last few days.

The war carried on with both sides claiming victories upon victories. The airwaves were full of propoganda some true some not. Patriotic songs blurted out all day and night during those fateful days.

Close to the end of the war, my father called us on the telephone to let us know that he was ok and we should not worry at all. I cannot forget the relief on my mother's face as tears ran down her face. I hugged her. I hugged jumma Khan who told me that my father was a brave man, a ghazi. There was no dancing or delirium on my part, just pure relief that I will be able to see my father again soon.

After about 4 weeks the schools opened, my father came home on a 2 day pass. He was a fit man before he left for the front but he had lost weight. I remember him sleeping most of the 2 days and my mother made sure I didn't disturb him too much.

I heard him tell jumma Khan that he was proud of his regiment as they held their own against heavy odds.
What was surprising to me was his admiration for the way the Indian unit opposite him fought (Rajputana regt).

He returned to the front as the ceasefire had been finalised as the armies slowly returned to their peace time locations. My father's regiment was ordered to return to jehlum and we joined him a few weeks later.

He never discussed what happened in detail except to say that the regiment did well and that was good enough for me.
My father also took part in the 71 war but this time he was posted at GHQ in military intelligence. He retired in late 72. He passed away in 2006.

  • May Allah give him Jannah

Yes ! :agree:

It was second-hand though ! :ashamed:

My first car is Honda Prosmatic 2006 model
 
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Indo-Pakistan War of 1965: Why? & What Happened? A Bigger Picture - This is a much researched war and has been studied and researched from various angles. To many war historians it may have been important because it involved largest tank battles after Second World War.
It was also a war between two professionally trained, disciplined armies that grew out of the same body: British Indian Army and its traditions of going after military and strategic targets. Both armies didn't target civilian populations and remained purely professional; they also had a grudging respect for each other. These things also need to be appreciated.
Origins of the war lay in Kashmir dispute but also in the Indian defeat at Chinese hands in 1962. At that time Chinese - Pakistan's new friends - hinted Ayub Khan to take advantage of Indian disarray and demoralisation in Kashmir. But Ayub Khan was under American pressure not to do anything to further strain India. Americans then were undertaking massive economic and military aid to India to rehabilitate its lost confidence. Pakistani military trained with Americans enjoyed superiority in firepower and training (amply demonstrated in the Run of Kutch Conflict) and if Ayub Khan could decide it was Pakistan's decisive moment to force India to meaningful concessions in Kashmir. But Ayub was more interested in his economic plan which was not possible without the U.S. Support.
Americans offered to mediate on Kashmir. Talks between Nehru and Ayub governments started in Dec 1962, sponsored by the U.S. These talks between Bhutto and Swaran Singh happened in Pindi, in Delhi, in Karachi, in Calcutta and again Delhi and India accepted formally Pakistan's hold on Azad Kashmir and was prepared to offer more territories to Pakistan in Poonch & Kashmir.
However these small gestures were rejected by Pakistan as meaningless. These talks collapsed in 1963 - adding tremendously to Pakistani frustration for feeling betrayed by Americans.
However US pressure on Nehru continued; In the beginning of 1964 he sent Sheikh Abdullah to Pakistan looking for a solution and his biographers think that by then he was convinced that resolution of Kashmir dispute was important for a peaceful subcontinent. However Nehru died in May of 1964 while Abdullah was still in Pakistan and Shastri govt that followed had neither the vision nor the stature to make concessions on Kashmir. So what was their message? They forced Abdullah to come back and imprisoned him in Poona - Pakistan was doubly rebuffed. Restraint of 1962 now looked like total stupidity.
By 1964 all UN lead efforts to find a solution in Kashmir all demonstrably failed and Indian govt started saying that Kashmir was an integral part of India proper.
The strength of Pakistani armour as displayed in the Raan of Kutch conflict in early part of 1965 created hopes that a similar application of force in disputed Kashmir can force India to meaningful concessions in Kashmir - an opportunity Pakistan clearly missed in 1962, under its American obligations. This thinking lead to Operation Slam and Operation Gibraltar in Kashmir.
But it's important to understand that ZA Bhutto and Aziz Ahmed were more determined for launching these operations; both Ayub and his new Commander in Chief were less hawkish; they didn't want to start an all out war with India. Both remained hesitant till the end. The famous change of command from that hawkish savvy Gen. Akhtar Malik to Gen. Yayah on 1st Sept was apparently to slow down operations. Gen Akhtar Malik was poised to take Akhnor; it would have changed dynamics of war in Kashmir & Jammu front but Ayub/Yayah duo did not want to push India to attacking Lahore & Sialkot. Ayub as a military mind was always clear that India if pushed hard in a weak area - Kashmir - would come running into indefensible plains of Lahore and Sialkot. It was Bhutto's belief in an international order and responsibilities of great powers that persuaded him against his better judgment of operations in Kashmir. Bhutto - principally right - had argued that Kashmir is a disputed territory and conflict in disputed territories was then norm and India will not attack Pakistan proper.
But India was prepared to violate the internationally accepted norm. It was why Pakistan called a midnight attack on Lahore and Sialkot across internationally accepted borders an "Undeclared War" by India - a point not understood by most in today's media.
India failed to penetrate both Lahore and Sialkot though technically both are indefensible - at least then they were. Now with nuclear umbrella and short range missiles things have changed.
India's later contention that it was only putting pressure on Lahore and Sialkot and didn't intend to enter or take them was not convincing. The fact that it failed despite mobilising a much larger invading force was a Pakistani victory - made possible by the heroic battles and sacrifices by daring men like Maj. Aziz Bhatti Shaheed.
In retrospect Bhutto's premise that India will not attack Pakistan across international borders looks pretty naive. But Ayub & Musa's decision of not taking Akhnor was a blunder that lead to a disaster in that sector; both in terms of letting India space in attacking Sialkot and in terms of negotiations after the war.
A British writer of Pakistani origin, Dr. Farooq Bajwa, had written a very detailed account of this war in his 2013 book, "From Kutch to Tashkent - The Indo-Pakistan war of 1965" - this is a must read for all in media and all those who want to develop a logical and coherent view of our history.
The single line judgements of victory and defeat as mushrooming social media are only stupid. Wars are bigger phenomenon than that.

Moeed pirzada
 
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The Folland Gnat was a small and agile fighter of the IAF. It was dubbed the sabre slayer by the IAF, however contrary to popular belief the PAF Sabres held their own against this aircraft
 

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The Folland Gnat is beautifully preserved at the PAF air war museum as the main trophy piece of the 65 air war.
 

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