Red Arrows coming to Karachi again

[SQ8]

For comparison, see below. But remember, in the video above, Thunder's altitude varies between 1500-1900 ft. Also, for the instantaneous turn rate above, remember I am dividing 45 degrees by 2 seconds which is a seat of the pants approximation. Consider this: dividing 45 degrees by 1.5 seconds gives 30 deg/sec. Well within experimental error limits given I am using approximate numbers.

http://topolo.free.fr/Compare/Rafale vs Typhoon.pdf

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Apologies, post updated. It was sustained turn rate.

Non TVC flanker variants do ~27 itr & 21str

 

[CriticalThought]

Non TVC flanker variants do ~27 itr & 21str

Alhamdulillah, a solid dog fighting platform. Must be awesome going into the merge after BVR exchange. I think PAF's philosophy is to never let the flanker get on the six. Obviously the platform has certain capabilities to even enable this philosophy to work

Interesting choice of sentences here. The Thunder project would have a lot to gain from British input, although I am probably just day dreaming here.


https://www.dawn.com/news/1361901/pafs-thunder-uks-red-arrows-joint-airshow-enthral-spectators

Speaking at the event, the Royal Air Force Aerobatic Team's Supervisor, Squadron Leader Mike Ling, who is known as Red 10, said, "The strength of the United Kingdom (UK)-Pakistan relationship is highlighted by this joint airshow by the Red Arrows and the Pakistan Air Force's JF-17 Thunder aircraft."

Speaking at the event, the Country Director for the British Council in Pakistan Ms Rosemary Hilhorst said, "The British Council is delighted to have such a strong partnership with the Pakistan Air Force in education supporting its schools and colleges.

"Today is a very special day which represents the excellence of the aerobatic teams, both the Red Arrows and the JF-17 Thunder display teams, and the strong relationship between the UK and Pakistan which has held steadfast these past 70 years."

 

[Talon]

https://www.facebook.com/

 

[Raider 21]

I think TV channels have been instructed to go out of their way not to show the full turns of Thunder at the beginning of the performance. Can't compute the turn rate

At approx. 5:24, after a relatively lazy start to a turn, it all of a sudden powers through, disturbing its own contrail. That is, the aft portion of the aircraft moves into the contrail that was formed just moments ago. Mixture of superb speed and turn rate.

If we take aircraft angle to be 45 degrees at 5:24, then by 5:26 it is at 90 degrees. An instantaneous turn rate of 22.5 degrees per second. Not bad at all. No wonder it gave grief to J-11 in the recent Shaheen VI exercises. Would be interesting to know how this profile changes as the height increases.

One final thing to note. Not much smoke seen throughout the display. Superb!!!!!!!!

Or they can't film for shit....they kept repeating the same stuff over and over and over....

 

[Raider 21]

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Wow....that desperate

 

[Raider 21]

Here is a link but it is confusing with all that repetitive footage and the endless commentary....

 

[Windjammer]

Red Arrows Team members at a reception in Pakistan.

Taking off from PAF Base Masroor to head for the display venue.

 

[Talon]

https://twitter.com/x/status/916218977235427328

 

[Imran Khan]

great show indeed where are thunders here ?

 

[Captain77W]

Can we please send the sherdils to train with them ?

 

[Raider 21]

Can we please send the sherdils to train with them ?

They most likely will not get into that mindset....the Red Arrows display as a representation of UK and the RAF...Sherdils is mostly for PAF events

 

[air marshal]

http://falcons.pk/photo/Red-Arrows-Aerobatic-Team/606