Reality of 2-Nation Theory

[Musings]

Good that you admitted it. India is a secular country and most of us are very proud of it.

India is not a shining example of a secular state. To say so especially with the current climate is embarrassing.

Firstly you have constitutional racism - Article 25(2) - Why should a secular state be concerned with the social welfare of only one religion?

Secondly Legislative discrimination - How can you claim to be secular when several states deem it fit to have laws to restrict conversions from Hinduism to any other religion?

Thirdly Employment discrimination - many examples of teachers converting from Hinduism and having to resign their post.

Discrimination in the Army - Right after 1947, Kashmir’s predominantly Hindu army was absorbed in the national army; whereas Hyderabad’s largely Muslim army was disbanded, rendering nearly 20,000 jobless. The Indian army’s infantry regiments are still based on religion (Sikh regiments), or ethnicity (Gorkha) or caste (Rajput) or region in which members of other faiths, and regions are barred.

Finally Cultural Discrimination. Can a Muslim slaughter a cow without having the sh1t kicked out of him?

You come from a nation today that minorities are butchered and you are proud? Please get a grip and stop talking clinical nonsense.

 

[Gandhi G in da house]

India is not a shining example of a secular state. To say so especially with the current climate is embarrassing.

Firstly you have constitutional racism - Article 25(2) - Why should a secular state be concerned with the social welfare of only one religion?

Secondly Legislative discrimination - How can you claim to be secular when several states deem it fit to have laws to restrict conversions from Hinduism to any other religion?

Thirdly Employment discrimination - many examples of teachers converting from Hinduism and having to resign their post.

Discrimination in the Army - Right after 1947, Kashmir’s predominantly Hindu army was absorbed in the national army; whereas Hyderabad’s largely Muslim army was disbanded, rendering nearly 20,000 jobless. The Indian army’s infantry regiments are still based on religion (Sikh regiments), or ethnicity (Gorkha) or caste (Rajput) or region in which members of other faiths, and regions are barred.

Finally Cultural Discrimination. Can a Muslim slaughter a cow without having the sh1t kicked out of him?

You come from a nation today that minorities are butchered and you are proud? Please get a grip and stop talking clinical nonsense.

I quoted a Pakistani member. Take it up with him.

 

[Chanakyaa]

India is not a shining example of a secular state. To say so especially with the current climate is embarrassing.

Firstly you have constitutional racism - Article 25(2) - Why should a secular state be concerned with the social welfare of only one religion?

Secondly Legislative discrimination - How can you claim to be secular when several states deem it fit to have laws to restrict conversions from Hinduism to any other religion?

Thirdly Employment discrimination - many examples of teachers converting from Hinduism and having to resign their post.

Discrimination in the Army - Right after 1947, Kashmir’s predominantly Hindu army was absorbed in the national army; whereas Hyderabad’s largely Muslim army was disbanded, rendering nearly 20,000 jobless. The Indian army’s infantry regiments are still based on religion (Sikh regiments), or ethnicity (Gorkha) or caste (Rajput) or region in which members of other faiths, and regions are barred.

Finally Cultural Discrimination. Can a Muslim slaughter a cow without having the sh1t kicked out of him?

You come from a nation today that minorities are butchered and you are proud? Please get a grip and stop talking clinical nonsense.

Can a Hindu become President of Pakistan ? No.
Can Pakistan have a Hindu Intelligence Chief ? No.
Can Pakistan have a Hindu/Christian Army Chief?. No.

Come n talk when u can do those as India already had Muslims n minorities in those posts.

And about conditiin of minorities ? In india Muslims increases while Hundus Vanished in Pakistan.

Talkibg abt Discrimination ?

Read this :

https://www.msn.com/en-xl/news/othe...-commission-in-pakistan/ar-BB14nR61?PC=EMMX20

 

[Musings]

I quoted a Pakistani member. Take it up with him.

No i wont.

India today is a melting pot of disaster. People are murdered, lynched and humiliated just because of their religion. You insinuate and suggest you are secular.

Sensible Indians living abroad are simply embarrassed to be a part of India as it is today. Dont you see your leaders are using religion hatred to divide and remove? Are you that blind?

 

[hussain0216]

Good that you got back on the topic.
Keep it up.

And, dont bring India here after 47.

Two nation theory suggested that Hindus and Muslims cannot stay together.

1971 proved it wrong.

1971 proved that while 20% muslims + 80% hindus can still exist together with a difference in religion. Muslims divided by Language ( intbe SAME country ) cannot stay together.

Hence the Formation of BD and failure of Two Nation Theory.

It proved wrong in both ways.

The basis of the two nation theory is the fundamental reality that India isn't a country
It's has various people's and states within a area called India no different to a area called Africa or Europe

These populations cannot exist under one state as the historical emnity amongst the populace will result in tragedy

The different populations need their own states to breath free, express their own religious and cultural identity

THIS IS THE TRUTH OF INDIA and it has been proven RIGHT

Bangladesh is a Muslim state as per partition it was separated from Pakistan by over a thousand miles a single state of equal populations with one government was simply unfeasible



India dosent believe in DEMOCRACY
India believes in MAJORITARIANISM this is the idea that the majority rules and everyone else must be subservient, this is what Jinnah understood from the beginning

Everything happening in India today from a hindutvaisation of history to seeing Indian Muslims and other minorities as the other is a utter reinforcement of the 2 nation theory



India needs Partition, it needs multiple states so everyone can breath free and express themselves within a area that represents their unique culture and values and beliefs and ethos and faith


India needs Partition for Indian Muslims, Sikhs, xtians and even Hindus so some states can be secular and states like UP can be hindutva backwaters

 

[Chanakyaa]

No i wont.

India today is a melting pot of disaster. People are murdered, lynched and humiliated just because of their religion. You insinuate and suggest you are secular.

Sensible Indians living abroad are simply embarrassed to be a part of India as it is today. Dont you see your leaders are using religion hatred to divide and remove? Are you that blind?

Embarsed ? APJ Kalam is the biggest Hero of Mordern India - our Missile man.

This happened to the grave of Abdus Salam :

 

[Musings]

Can a Hindu become President of Pakistan ? No.
Can Pakistan have a Hindu Intelligence Chief ? No.
Can Pakistan have a Hindu/Christian Army Chief?. No.

Come n talk when u can do those as India already had Muslims n minorities in those posts.

And about conditiin of minorities ? In india Muslims increases while Hundus Vanished in Pakistan.

Talkibg abt Discrimination ?

Read this :

https://www.msn.com/en-xl/news/othe...-commission-in-pakistan/ar-BB14nR61?PC=EMMX20

Why you jumping in to defend Gandi? Do you work in pairs? He said he was proud to have Indian as secular - i pointed out the reason why its not secular and you decide to jump in to rescue your countrymen by deflection. Stop trying to deflect what i am pointing out.

 

[Arsalan]

No.
Pakistan was DEFEATED in 71.
It Lost Bangladesh.

Two Nation Theory ( based on religion), failed when Language got priority in BD.

The reason for the that was NOT language.

 

[Musings]

Embarsed ?

Can you at least learn how to spell before trying to make your point? I really cant be bothered to lower myself to debate with a delusional Indian that cant accept the present day India as anything but a cultural mess. Enjoy your day.

 

[kris]

Two-nation theory proven correct especially after 71 war. Bangladesh chose to remain independent Muslim-majority state instead of rejoining West Bengal, despite having same ethnicity.

Why?

Yup, because even Muslim Bengalis saw themselves as separate nation from Hindu Bengalis aka two-nations based on different religions. Two nation theory has been resounding success. Divided india, got Muslim-majority states out of it, and now even Modi/RSS are forced to accept two nation theory and are acting barbarically towards Muslim indians---whom they don't see as 'truly' indian since Muslims are a different nation than Hindus even in RSS minds

There is no 'hindu nation' btw. india is a secular country with myriads of different faiths and cultures. Its not homogenous like majority of Islamic world is (90%-95% Muslims). Keep cryin, but you cant even enforce gau rashak laws in South India (Hindu majority), let alone making a "Hindu nation" lol. Hinduism is too weak to establish effective statecraft like Islam.

Wow just because Bangladesh didn't join india tel nation theory is a success, what crappy answer...

For you satisfaction you can rename 2 nation theory as three nation theory and celebrate the success....
Not sure how long you can celebrate it though..
On the other way round why would india want a populous country like Bangladesh join and strain an already poor state like india(1971 times)

Someone needs to tell this Sanghi that whatever grievances as Muhajirs we may have, we would rather kill ourselves than go back to India

Wish you all the best with your future endeavours

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Wow just because Bangladesh didn't join india tel nation theory is a success, what crappy answer...

For you satisfaction you can rename 2 nation theory as three nation theory and celebrate the success....
Not sure how long you can celebrate it though..
On the other way round why would india want a populous country like Bangladesh join and strain an already poor state like india(1971 times)

So india is rich now is it?..............

EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!................Like you have said, bangladesh rejoining india now is not feasible. Therefore the 2-nation/3 nation theory is alive and kicking. The theory of a "United india" has failed and is dead and buried. india therefore has no justifiable reason to exist.

 

[Musings]

So india is rich now is it?..............

EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!................Like you have said, bangladesh rejoining india now is not feasible. Therefore the 2-nation/3 nation theory is alive and kicking. The theory of a "United india" has failed and is dead and buried. india therefore has no justifiable reason to exist.

Ye very rich. In racial hatred, anger, bitterness, TVA and of course secular. Dont you hear sweet music and love for their minorities today bro? See and hear it all the time.....

 

[KhanBaba2]

Two nation theory died when Pakistan accepted the accession of Junagadh . You could no longer then claim that Hindus and Muslims were separate nations

 

[kris]

So india is rich now is it?..............

EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!................Like you have said, bangladesh rejoining india now is not feasible. Therefore the 2-nation/3 nation theory is alive and kicking. The theory of a "United india" has failed and is dead and buried. india therefore has no justifiable reason to exist.

India ain't rich now either, so what's the point
We really f
Don't want them to join. We can't really feed so many more mouths. We have our own problems.

India is shining growth and progressing on multiple fronts... India now a days have a dominance in groups which traditionally used to be under Pakistan influence

And most importantly majority of us in India doesn't want that "United India" you are talking about. We are not ready to bear the burden of some other nut case. Not worth it..

Even if it is 2/3/multiple nation theory it hardly makes a difference for us... Hardly any news for us

 

[Cookie Monster]

Am I my brother's keeper?

No...my response to u was separate in the context of ur post...
...he got his reply separately and in a rather harsh tone...which is sometimes necessary with ppl who are blatantly trolling.