Reality of 2-Nation Theory

[Ahmad Saleem]

Shia Sunni, Bangla vs Non Bangla, Black White difference exist. For somereason, Muslims in China are not even talked about in Pakistan.

Shabana getting flat or not Kalam did become President in India. Compare that to your consitiution whre BY RULE no hindu willever become President/PM.

Do you want meto post what is happeing to Christians and Hindus in Pakistan?

Check this and open eyes :

https://blogs.tribune.com.pk/tag/minorities-in-pakistan/

And btw, A DALIT is our President NOW. RIGHT NOW.

You posted the same article no need to post it again and again.
Control and leadership is by influence not by authority. Giving authority is not giving control. The real control is in the hand of RSS and right wing. Todays india weeps for nathuram godse not for gandhi, Nehru is seen as a traitor.
Talking about minority rights can you even tell when was a large scale riot in Pakistan and what was its aftermath. When did state sided with extremists? In our case state sided with aasia bibi and confronted the right wing extremists. When did any of our chief minister suggested to dig the grave of minorities and rape their women?
As I said things are bad in Pakistan and india both and both have to improve the situation. The difference however is state attitude. Pretending that india is a shining secular state and nothing is happening wont change the situation even your PM had a visa ban.

Well, thats your wish. But first you need to worry for the extra $14 billion you are takiing as deb t while India will join G7 next month.

Sadly, Thats the difference in India ( Being forcibley added to G7 ) And Pakistan ( looking fr another loan) in 2020



See, if you had vision we wud take example frmUS which has nothing in common yet it RULES the world.

Its a common thing to have multi-ethnic and multi-cultural countries and USA is no exception. No need to take it as an example. A nation is a nation as long as it identifies itself as a nation on whatever basis. Pakistanis identify themselves as one nation based on religion and shared geographical area and struggle

 

[The Accountant]

lol those who supported islamic nation for muslims are crying on hindu nation , later events of creation of bangladesh and killings there , and disgruntled muhajir movement proved failure of the two nation theory .

Don't distort history. Congress, Gandhi and Nehru denied 2 nation theory. Indian constitution was against 2 antion theory. If India accepts 2 nation theory then it has no rights on may of the states having Muslim majority.

We are highlighting the treachery of the Congress that they created India on the basis of secularism and now they are converting it into an Hindutva state. Thats treachery.

 

[hussain0216]

Well, thats your wish. But first you need to worry for the extra $14 billion you are takiing as deb t while India will join G7 next month.

Sadly, Thats the difference in India ( Being forcibley added to G7 ) And Pakistan ( looking fr another loan) in 2020

It's not wish it's reality

Can you not see the incredible hatred amongst Indians

You are being utterly disingenuous if you say you can't

India is a divided hell

From cyclones to migrant crisis to starvation in the streets, to conflict with Pakistan, China, Nepal


Modi and hindutva have been incredible weapons for Pakistan

 

[Chanakyaa]

It's not wish it's reality
Can you not see the incredible hatred amongst Indians
You are being utterly disingenuous if you say you can't
India is a divided hell
From cyclones to migrant crisis to starvation in the streets, to conflict with Pakistan, China, Nepal
Modi and hindutva have been incredible weapons for Pakistan

Cyclones ? It hit Bangladesh harder.. for God sake.. that Plane falling in Karachi it shows Pakistan is Diviided ?
It was a calamity.

Infact, ISRO did a remarkable job to predict PERFECT path of Cyclone and far far less people lost life as compared to thousands a few decades earlier.

Migrant Crisis ? Do you know how hospitals are being Vandalised in Pakistan ?
https://tribune.com.pk/story/222171...ed-refusal-hand-covid-19-patients-body/?amp=1

And, for your information. In the Past 70 years. INDIA is WHERE it was.
Its Pakstan which got divided and today, which India is having a HIGH STATURE, to be included in G7, Pakistan is facing tough economic issues, planning of next $15 Billion debt YET AGAIN.

https://tribune.com.pk/story/2232028/2-pakistan-seeks-15b-loans-fy21/

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

We are discussing Two Nation Theory, not the Partition of India.

Partition of India happened because some people thought Hindus and Muslims cant stay Togther ( wrong as They are existing together in India after 70 years ) and that Muslims separately from Hindus Can exist Peacefully ( wrong again, since BD got away ).

Focus on Two Nation Theory and its Validity.

The 2-nation theory and it's validity is neither here nor there. It is the subject of meaningless conjecture. Pakistan exists and it's people have a unique racial and cultural heritage. Nothing is going to change that nor is that in question. The creation of both Pakistan and bangladesh, ultimately destroyed the myth of a "United india", whatever that means.

Cyclones ? It hit Bangladesh harder.. for God sake.. that Plane falling in Karachi it shows Pakistan is Diviided ?
It was a calamity.

Infact, ISRO did a remarkable job to predict PERFECT path of Cyclone and far far less people lost life as compared to thousands a few decades earlier.

Migrant Crisis ? Do you know how hospitals are being Vandalised in Pakistan ?
https://tribune.com.pk/story/222171...ed-refusal-hand-covid-19-patients-body/?amp=1

And, for your information. In the Past 70 years. INDIA is WHERE it was.
Its Pakstan which got divided and today, which India is having a HIGH STATURE, to be included in G7, Pakistan is facing tough economic issues, planning of next $15 Billion debt YET AGAIN.

https://tribune.com.pk/story/2232028/2-pakistan-seeks-15b-loans-fy21/

Pakistan is the world's first ever Islamic nuclear weapons state that has thwarted an enemy that is more than 7x bigger that it, for 73 years. Thanks to CPEC and other similar initiatives, Pakistan is having billions invested in it by a global superpower set to become the world's FIRST EVER Global hyper power. india on the other hand is a beggar nation that receives the highest amount of american aid and is also home to the greatest number of severely malnourished and extreme poor people in the world:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wo...-third-of-worlds-poorest-says-World-Bank.html

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wo...591/India-accused-of-poverty-smokescreen.html

https://www.downtoearth.org.in/news/a-third-of-the-worlds-poor-live-in-india-says-un-45376

https://blogs.worldbank.org/opendata/half-world-s-poor-live-just-5-countries

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/sputniknews.com/amp/asia/201507141024617963/



The above irrefutable evidence clearly shows that india is a failed state capable of nothing but hot air and talk on the internet.

 

[Chanakyaa]

The 2-nation theory and it's validity is neither here nor there. It is the subject of meaningless conjecture. Pakistan exists and it's people have a unique racial and cultural heritage. Nothing is going to change that nor is that in question. The creation of both Pakistan and bangladesh, ultimately destroyed the myth of a "United india", whatever that means.

United India was not carved with the thought that one religion can unite whole land. India got partitioned several time under/before british, mughals and other empires.it was united on common RULE, be it maurya, mughals or british.

For the first time like Israel, Pakistan was created with that exact idea that Muslims can exist tigther under one common Religion.

With BD gone. That theory failed forever.
Language ( Bengali ) defeated Religion ( Islam ).

The 2-nation theory and it's validity is neither here nor there. It is the subject of meaningless conjecture. Pakistan exists and it's people have a unique racial and cultural heritage. Nothing is going to change that nor is that in question. The creation of both Pakistan and bangladesh, ultimately destroyed the myth of a "United india", whatever that means.






Pakistan is the world's first ever Islamic nuclear weapons state that has thwarted an enemy that is more than 7x bigger that it, for 73 years. Thanks to CPEC and other similar initiatives, Pakistan is having billions invested in it by a global superpower set to become the world's FIRST EVER Global hyper power. india on the other hand is a beggar nation that receives the highest amount of american aid and is also home to the greatest number of severely malnourished and extreme poor people in the world:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wo...-third-of-worlds-poorest-says-World-Bank.html

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wo...591/India-accused-of-poverty-smokescreen.html

https://www.downtoearth.org.in/news/a-third-of-the-worlds-poor-live-in-india-says-un-45376

https://blogs.worldbank.org/opendata/half-world-s-poor-live-just-5-countries

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/sputniknews.com/amp/asia/201507141024617963/



The above irrefutable evidence clearly shows that india is a failed state capable of nothing but hot air and talk on the internet.

Even with Nukes pakistan is going fr another $15 billion Loan. Even North Korea has Nukes. So what?

Stay on topic.
Talk purely about Two Nation Theory.
Else u will be ignored.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

United India was not carved with the thought that one religion can unite whole land. India got partitioned several time under/before british, mughals and other empires.it was united on common RULE, be it maurya, mughals or british.

For the first time like Israel, Pakistan was created with that exact idea that Muslims can exist tigther under one common Religion.

With BD gone. That theory failed forever.
Language ( Bengali ) defeated Religion ( Islam ).

Pakistan is still Muslim, as is bangladesh. Neither are a part of india as well. "united india" does not exist. Seems like the 2-nation theory is alive and kicking.

 

[Chanakyaa]

Pakistan is still Muslim, as is bangladesh. Neither are a part of india as well. "united india" does not exist. Seems like the 2-nation theory is alive and kicking.

No.
Pakistan was DEFEATED in 71.
It Lost Bangladesh.

Two Nation Theory ( based on religion), failed when Language got priority in BD.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

United India was not carved with the thought that one religion can unite whole land. India got partitioned several time under/before british, mughals and other empires.it was united on common RULE, be it maurya, mughals or british.

For the first time like Israel, Pakistan was created with that exact idea that Muslims can exist tigther under one common Religion.

With BD gone. That theory failed forever.
Language ( Bengali ) defeated Religion ( Islam ).



Even witb Nukes pakistan is gping fr another $15 billion Loan. Even North Korea has Nukes. So what?

Stay on topic.
Talk purely about Two Nation Theory.
Else u will be ignored.

Even with nukes, india is still the biggest recipient of american aid and has the greatest number of severely malnourished and extreme poor people in the world:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wo...591/India-accused-of-poverty-smokescreen.html

https://www.downtoearth.org.in/news/a-third-of-the-worlds-poor-live-in-india-says-un-45376

https://blogs.worldbank.org/opendata/half-world-s-poor-live-just-5-countries

https://wap.business-standard.com/a...-stunted-children-under-5-118121000073_1.html

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/sputniknews.com/amp/asia/201507141024617963/




Spain, Italy, Greece, Argentina and Australia have more IMF debt than Pakistan yet they leagues ahead of india in every respect so what's your point?

 

[Chanakyaa]

Even with nukes, india is still the biggest recipient of american aid and has the greatest number of severely malnourished and extreme poor people in the world:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wo...591/India-accused-of-poverty-smokescreen.html

https://www.downtoearth.org.in/news/a-third-of-the-worlds-poor-live-in-india-says-un-45376

https://blogs.worldbank.org/opendata/half-world-s-poor-live-just-5-countries

https://wap.business-standard.com/a...-stunted-children-under-5-118121000073_1.html

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/sputniknews.com/amp/asia/201507141024617963/




Spain, Italy, Greece, Argentina and Australia have more IMF debt than Pakistan yet they leagues ahead of india in every respect so what's your point?

Post Reported.
Please stick to topic. Its not abt Indian econony or Indian Nukes here.

@waz @Zarvan

 

[hussain0216]

Cyclones ? It hit Bangladesh harder.. for God sake.. that Plane falling in Karachi it shows Pakistan is Diviided ?
It was a calamity.

Infact, ISRO did a remarkable job to predict PERFECT path of Cyclone and far far less people lost life as compared to thousands a few decades earlier.

Migrant Crisis ? Do you know how hospitals are being Vandalised in Pakistan ?
https://tribune.com.pk/story/222171...ed-refusal-hand-covid-19-patients-body/?amp=1

And, for your information. In the Past 70 years. INDIA is WHERE it was.
Its Pakstan which got divided and today, which India is having a HIGH STATURE, to be included in G7, Pakistan is facing tough economic issues, planning of next $15 Billion debt YET AGAIN.

https://tribune.com.pk/story/2232028/2-pakistan-seeks-15b-loans-fy21/

This is not a response

Your denying the poisoned chalice India has become

India is just bubbling with extremism and outright hatred


It's a basic fact, it's a reality of the situation


This is then being added to by a number of tragedies to befall India in recent times, everything from pogroms in your capital, to mass protests across your country to natural disasters to a migrant crises caused by mismanagement to conflict with almost all your neighbors


How can you keep 1.4 billion people trapped in such a state

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

No.
Pakistan was DEFEATED in 71.
It Lost Bangladesh.

Two Nation Theory ( based on religion), failed when Language got priority in BD.

Did all the bengalis change their religion to hinduism and decide to merge back with india? If not then the theory of a "united india" is dead and buried. There is no justifiable reason for india to exist.

The Success of Indian Secularism :

- Modi having a Muslim Man in UN as INDIAN REPRESENTATIVE : Syed Akbaruddin
- Right wing BJP Making a Muslim President : APJ Kalam
- India having MUSLIM Chiefs of INTELLIGENCE AGENCIES : Asif Ibrahim
- India winning WARS under : JACOBs and MANEKSHAWS
- Backward Caste Modi and Dalit, Kovind the PM/President of Current INDIA.

This sums up nicely :

- A Christian Woman, paves way fr a SIKH PM, who takes Oath from a MUSLIM PRESIDENT in a country with 80% HINDUS ! > True INDIAN SECULARISM.

& The Success of SEPARATE Bangladesh :

- 8% GDP Growth - fastest in the world.
- $300 Billion Economy

IS A CLEAR FAILURE of "TWO NATION" Theory :

- Hindus & Muslims COULD EXIST TOGETHER > As in Case of INDIA
- ALL MUSLIMS - CANNOT STAY TOGETHER > As in Case of PAK-BD

For Those who CRY that BD was BOUND To happen due to Distance between EAST & WEST - PAK :

- Go and Read How UK defended Falklands 6000 KM AWAY !! ( WITH NO 6th Fleet from US )

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falklands_War

For Those Muslims in Pakistan - who wanna cry about Muslims in INDIA :
Watch what an INDIAN Muslim ( who abuses modi daily says this ) :

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Before 1947, Pakistan was within indian territory yet india could not stop Pakistan from being created from 35% of former indian territory and dismembering a "United india". Yet you talk about defending colonial territories 6000 and 3000 kms away...............

 

[Chanakyaa]

Did all the bengalis change their religion to hinduism and decide to merge back with india? If not then the theory of a "united india" is dead and buried. There is no justifiable reason for india to exist.

Good that you got back on the topic.
Keep it up.

And, dont bring India here after 47.

Two nation theory suggested that Hindus and Muslims cannot stay together.

1971 proved it wrong.

1971 proved that while 20% muslims + 80% hindus can still exist together with a difference in religion. Muslims divided by Language ( intbe SAME country ) cannot stay together.

Hence the Formation of BD and failure of Two Nation Theory.

It proved wrong in both ways.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Good that you got back on the topic.
Keep it up.

And, dont bring India here after 47.

Two nation theory suggested that Hindus and Muslims cannot stay together.

1971 proved it wrong.

1971 proved that while 20% muslims + 80% hindus can still exist together with a difference in religion. Muslims divided by Language ( intbe SAME country ) cannot stay together.

Hence the Formation of BD and failure of Two Nation Theory.

It proved wrong in both ways.

In 1947, india lost over 35% of it's former territories in the creation of Paksitan. The theory of a "United india" was destroyed FOREVER. Therefore india now in it's current form has no justifiable reason to exist. The theory of india has failed miserably.

 

[Joe Shearer]

I have read quite extensively on the many viewpoints, ideologies, the various movements, leaders, etc. leading up to the partition. I have arrived at my own conclusion based on that.

As for the whole "two nation theory failed due to separation of Bangladesh"...I've been hearing that for a long while now. Every now and then some Indian with less than needed knowledge to comment on such matters...comes along...and repeats this like a broken record.

Am I my brother's keeper?