Real story of Kargil war

[IndianArmy]

India and Pakistan had a tradition of vacating their forward bases during winter times, it is then the Pakistani forces disguised as Terrorists occupied the peak watching our supply routs. A Partial Intel. failure , we could have avoided a clash. Indian Army had to kill the terrorists hiding behind the bunkers and that too on high peaks which for obvious reason gives the enemy an edge. Mean while their SSG's were caught red handed by our Infantry men who had infiltrated deep inside Indian territory posing as sheep herders and daily wage workers. It was only then the world came to know that Indian Army was dealing not with terrorists but with Pakistani security forces and resulted in an all out war.

 

[darkinsky]

First pakistan infiltrate and attack.

when Indian army start killing pakistani soldiers- pakistan say we are not involved in Kargil- they are terrorists! (who does that? lol)

Indians keep on killing the pakistani soldiers who infiltrated in Kashmir.

then this nawaz guy (who had no idea where Pakistan army actually is!) goes to amrika for help. amrika shouts at him and orders him to request pakistan army to get out of Indian territory. but nobody in pakistan army listens to this nawaz! (lol what a hierarchy system!)

then somehow this nawaz convinces mush to get out of Indian territory before entire pakistan army is killed by evil Hindus.

then Indians want to hand over the dead bodies of pakistan soldiers, which pakistan obviously denies. (because they initially declared no involvement of pakistan army! i can't even lol on this. its very inhuman towards pakistani soldiers by pakistan state.)

then Indian army bury the pakistan soldiers with respect.

now next is the most funny part...

after about 10 years - pakistan awards medals to pakistani soldiers who took part in Kargil war! LOLOLOOLOLOL
what the

and now pakistani posters say that they were not ready- that's why they lost!

only god can explain why did pakistan attack if they were not prepared in the first place!

good lord, you must write as a historian, surely your books mixed with laughter and jokes will make you the best seller, title your books as 'masala history' by professor gautam

 

[Gautam]

No actually the Pakistanis took the bodies back but after much requests by India. There is a video of that on YouTube.

You can imagine the mental state of a people and an Army whom the enemy has to resquest to take back the corpses of its dead soldiers.

Point is, people who cannot stand by their friends when those friends need them the most, ultimately lose every single cause of theirs, just like the Pakistanis.

exactly.
then these people blame amrika for not taking their side during Kargil. lol
but they don't realise that they are not taking side of their own people. i just don't understand what's wrong with them. hope they grow up someday.
p.s. thanks for correcting me about that dead body part.

 

[joekrish]

This conflict was not a victory by either side. Especially since Pakistan had not prepared properly. However, one thing that can be said was that the Indians were caught with their pants down, and humiliated thoroughly.

Oh Dam Indians! The Pakistanis had asked for a time out but we dint give them one, how evil of us

 

[Gautam]

good lord, you must write as a historian, surely your books mixed with laughter and jokes will make you the best seller, title your books as 'masala history' by professor gautam

thanks man.
but isn't that true?
first you denied your involvement in Kargil. then you deny the dead bodies of your soldiers. then after some 10 years - you issue medals to your army for the same war!


sounds like a circus to me!

 

[faizahmad]

While reading about the recent incident in Siachen, I got to read about Pak-India Kargil war. It seems wikipedia's article on Kargil has been written by indians. Is it all true as mentioned on wikipedia. If its not, then it needs to be corrected. It just mentions defeat of Pakistan army and everything good about indians.
By the way, what is the real story. Was Pakistan really defeated that badly??

Wiki sources are true to the fact ,

 

[darkinsky]

No actually the Pakistanis took the bodies back but after much requests by India. There is a video of that on YouTube.

You can imagine the mental state of a people and an Army whom the enemy has to resquest to take back the corpses of its dead soldiers.

Point is, people who cannot stand by their friends when those friends need them the most, ultimately lose every single cause of theirs, just like the Pakistanis.

well none beats the video about a kashmiri trying to beat an indian soldier and like a coward the indian soldier is running for his life,did you watch such a video??

 

[The HBS Guy]

well none beats the video about a kashmiri trying to beat an indian soldier and like a coward the indian soldier is running for his life,did you watch such a video??

It can only happen in India that a civilian can beat a soldier without the fear of being shot in the forehead.

It cannot happen in Pakistan and for that, you have my sympathies.

An Army which hangs its PM by pressuring the courts.

An Army which kidnaps and kills Journalists.

An Army which wages warf without informing its own PM.

Yes, I agree, you cannot really hope to show them the unarmed man's middle finger.

 

[Gautam]

Wiki sources are true to the fact ,

i like your avtaar.
Jai Hind!

well none beats the video about a kashmiri trying to beat an indian soldier and like a coward the indian soldier is running for his life,did you watch such a video??

you ran out of arguments that now you go off topic?


that's it guys. i have to leave. see ya later.

 

[Nothing]

To Indian posters .. don't debate more .. this is never ending. Keep in mind Kargil war shows how both country can function in totality.. In Pakistan even PAF was out of scene , which shows professionalism of their army and trust between army and GOP.Even at time of conflict they were not telling truth that those are their own soldiers ... they never accepted dead bodies and Indian Army gave them last respect... all shows where they are as country stood at that time..

For India .. we was able to contain war to only one front , so rest of country of very less affected, that was start of our golden run as nation.. any war had spoiled that .. we won diplomatically all countries in world stood with us .. even China and USA ..
That war gave us chance to start modernization of our army forces.
biggest of all it gave Pakistan Musharraf for next 10 years which was the seed for today's chaos Pakistan ..

 

[Varunastra]

yes we won the 1965 war, and as far as 71 goes, that was like fighting a war inside a another country, so ur right.

1N 1965-

Pakistans primary objective-conquer kashmir

India's primary objective- flush the intruders out of kashmir

India's secondary objective-to attack and capture lahore and force pakistan to come out of kashmir and take their resources to lahore to accomplish the primary objective of India

Pakistn's secondary objective(in response to india's secondary objective)-save lahore!


RESULTS-

India's primary objective-ACCOMPLISHED!

Pakistn's primary objective-FAILED!

Indi'a secondary objective-FAILED!

Pakistn's secondary objective-ACCOMPLISHED!!

so as you guys can see......India accomplished it's primary objective while Pakistan could not! that's all that matters and that's why technically India won the war!!

 

[faizahmad]

Dear Pakistanis,

The truth of the matter is that Kargil was an operation that was half-assed. The operation humiliated Indian forces to the point that Indians still feel insecure to this day. Pakistan's biggest mistake was that it did not invest into the operation by 100 percent.

World Opinion

Pakistan was criticised by other countries for instigating the war, as its paramilitary forces and insurgents crossed the Line of Control.[63] Pakistan's primary diplomatic response, one of plausible deniability linking the incursion to what it officially termed as "Kashmiri freedom fighters", was in the end not successful.[64] Veteran analysts argued that the battle was fought at heights where only seasoned troops could survive, so poorly equipped "freedom fighters" would neither have the ability nor the wherewithal to seize land and defend it. Moreover, while the army had initially denied the involvement of its troops in the intrusion, two soldiers were awarded the Nishan-E-Haider (Pakistan's highest military honour). Another 90 soldiers were also given gallantry awards, most of them posthumously, confirming Pakistan's role in the episode. India also released taped phone conversations between the Army Chief and a senior Pakistani general where the latter is recorded saying: "the scruff of [the militants] necks is in our hands,"[65] although Pakistan dismissed it as a "total fabrication". Concurrently, Pakistan made several contradicting statements, confirming its role in Kargil, when it defended the incursions saying that the LOC itself was disputed.[66] Pakistan also attempted to internationalize the Kashmir issue, by linking the crisis in Kargil to the larger Kashmir conflict but, such a diplomatic stance found few backers on the world stage.[67]

As the Indian counter-attacks picked up momentum, Pakistani prime minister Nawaz Sharif flew to meet U.S. President Bill Clinton on July 4 to obtain support from the United States. Clinton rebuked Sharif, however, and asked him to use his contacts to rein in the militants and withdraw Pakistani soldiers from Indian territory. Clinton would later reveal in his autobiography that "Sharif's moves were perplexing" since the Indian Prime Minister had travelled to Lahore to promote bilateral talks aimed at resolving the Kashmir problem and "by crossing the Line of Control, Pakistan had wrecked the [bilateral] talks."[68] On the other hand, he applauded Indian restraint for not crossing the LoC and escalating the conflict into an all-out war.[69]

G8 nations supported India and condemned the Pakistani violation of the LOC at the Cologne summit. The European Union also opposed Pakistan's violation of the LOC.[70] China, a long-time ally of Pakistan, insisted on a pullout of forces to the pre-conflict positions along the LoC and settling border issues peacefully. Other organizations like the ASEAN Regional Forum too supported India's stand on the inviolability of the LOC.[67]

Faced with growing international pressure, Sharif managed to pull back the remaining soldiers from Indian territory. The joint statement issued by Clinton and Sharif conveyed the need to respect the Line of Control and resume bilateral talks as the best forum to resolve all disputes


you should be humiliarted not us ... our troops are busy having fun on the peak right now as they knw the world is with them

 

[third eye]

To Indian posters .. don't debate more .. this is never ending. Keep in mind Kargil war shows how both country can function in totality.. In Pakistan even PAF was out of scene , which shows professionalism of their army and trust between army and GOP.Even at time of conflict they were not telling truth that those are their own soldiers ... they never accepted dead bodies and Indian Army gave them last respect... all shows where they are as country stood at that time..

The bold part is not clear.

How could the PAF have joined ? Pak kept saying they were Mujahdeen or some non Mily players the PAF could not have been used in their support. It was only later that it accepted the presence of NLI. It wasn't professionalism but lack of it or circumstance.

Next, any action across the LOC by PAF would tantamount to war which would have suited India very well and it could then open up the western border.

 

[darkinsky]

It can only happen in India that a civilian can beat a soldier without the fear of being shot in the forehead.

It cannot happen in Pakistan and for that, you have my sympathies.

An Army which hangs its PM by pressuring the courts.

An Army which kidnaps and kills Journalists.

An Army which wages warf without informing its own PM.

Yes, I agree, you cannot really hope to show them the unarmed man's middle finger.

only happens inn india

 

[rockstarIN]

This conflict was not a victory by either side. Especially since Pakistan had not prepared properly. However, one thing that can be said was that the Indians were caught with their pants down, and humiliated thoroughly.

Who's getting humiliated during the security checks including your above bold part? there holds the Indian victory.